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09-17-2016 04:37 PM
silva
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Originally Posted by EarthGodess View Post
Donald Trump didn't pay the girls in his rally. And has he ever fed that poor guinea pig stuck to his head?
09-17-2016 04:08 PM
EarthGodess Donald Trump didn't pay the girls in his rally. And has he ever fed that poor guinea pig stuck to his head?
06-20-2016 05:05 PM
Dave in MPLS Donald Trump to his campaign manager Corey Lewandowski: YOU'RE FIRED!!!
06-18-2016 10:24 PM
Dave in MPLS
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Bernie is delightfully consistent and scandal free
Iranian revolution and the hostage crisis. There's your October Surprise if Bernie was the nominee.

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Trump has had an absolutely terrible couple of weeks. A month to go to the convention. Should be fun.
06-15-2016 04:49 PM
Thalassa4
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Originally Posted by Beautiful Joe View Post
That's certainly what the Sanders followers believe. There aren't any actual facts to support that belief, though.

Hillary has, to date, won approximately three million more votes than Bernie, and that's with unrelenting attacks on her ever for decades. In the meantime, everyone has bee careful to not say anything negative about Bernie*; the Clinton campaign because they need to woo the Sanders supporters once he's out of the picture, and the Republicans because they want Sanders to be as strong as possible for as long as possible in order to weaken the Clinton campaign.

*And there is plenty of negative to say about Bernie; just as much as about Hillary.

I think you have been poorly informed. Hillary Clinton has enacted policies in Central America and the Middle East leading to destabilization and violence in those regions. I encourage you to read about Clintons foreign policy in Latin America, it will likely horrify you, as it completely contradicts claims she makes about human rights and the environment. Clinton also flip flops on issues, and tends to actually vote more right wing than she claims in campaigns.

By contrast, Bernie is delightfully consistent and scandal free, after fifty years involved in both activism and political office. Whatever you don't like about Bernie, he actually has the most positive campaign of any candidate, and even what little media coverage he received in this election has been found by Harvard researchers to be just as "blacked out" as Bernie supporters claim, and yet much more positive than either Trump or Clintons campaigns.

There's also proof of voter fraud in California, I'm deeply involved on a grassroots level, and I attended a county council meeting yesterday where fifty poll workers testified. It's not only as bad as some people claim, it is worse.
06-13-2016 04:49 PM
Joan Kennedy Does anyone really think Obama and his advance team were unaware of the reception they would be receiving in Saudi Arabia, whether at the airport or at the meetings or at the terse little pronouncements at the photo-op? That a President Trump might refuse to leave his plane because he was displeased with the status of his official greeter, that’s cause for alarm in my opinion. There are so many layers to this stuff, like there were when the treaty with Iran was being negotiated. Iranians who were promoting it had to make like they thought it was horrible but necessary, to sell it to the rest of their own government, because diplomacy is so two-faced between what’s on the surface and what’s really getting done.

Why do people here care who greeted Obama at the airport? Of course the Arabs were upset, among other things, about the treaty with Iran. They were just as upset about it as the Israelis, but there was nothing they could do about it except try to posture in ways other parties would accept as hanging tough and sticking it to the Man. Which our people knew going into it, because that's how choreographed and orchestrated these events are. Progressives look at the footage and pronounce Obama gracious, or diplomatic, while conservatives see the same thing and say he was being obsequious. That’s just the kind of thing Trump’s people and the Republican right like to throw around. They like to say our President is too stupid to know when he’s being insulted, or when a reception is chilly, or why. Messages were delivered, assurances were exchanged, and another little outrage was smoothed over. Another little opportunity to try and paint Obama as ineffectual while reeling every time Obama manages to do an end-run around the most obstructive Congress in US history.

What someone like Amani or nr32 sees as a snub, or an insult, or blatant disrespect of the global pecking order, I see as a Kabuki dance. We upset them, but not bad enough to trigger an oil embargo or another Arab-Israeli War. They stomp a foot, just not hard enough to trigger an international incident. Everything about it is read different ways depending on the orientation of the observer.
06-13-2016 03:52 PM
Beautiful Joe
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Originally Posted by nr32 View Post
Don't be a doormat is what I'm saying. Respect yourself enough to never let people step on you. If someone insults you, be insulted.
Does this advice also hold for all of the groups of people whom Trump regularly insults?
06-12-2016 08:39 PM
nr32 Don't be a doormat is what I'm saying. Respect yourself enough to never let people step on you. If someone insults you, be insulted. If you don't stand up for yourself, no one else will.

At the very least, if you're not gonna get back on the plane, be firm and never be obsequious.
06-12-2016 04:57 PM
Beautiful Joe
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Originally Posted by Dave in MPLS View Post
Combine that with an apparently strong 'kiss my ring' impulse ...
Yup. His first reaction to the awful tragedy in Orlando was to make it all about himself. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ing_right.html
06-12-2016 04:12 PM
Dave in MPLS
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why try and bring down Obama in a Trump thread?
As I recall, it came up in this thread because Trump puked out some tweets about the incident. So it was kind of organic that conversation in this thread developed into discussion about that.

I think Trump's reaction exposes a potential downside to a Trump administration: his NOTORIOUSLY thin skin. Maybe that's why he HAS to be a counter puncher. He has to punch back hard before taking too many taps which would expose his glass jaw. Combine that with an apparently strong 'kiss my ring' impulse ... The worry is he will respond to a strategic ally throwing a temper tantrum by throwing an even bigger temper tantrum, thus blowing an important relationship in, say, the fight against da'esh (ISIS).

Plus ... we don't live in feudal Japan.
06-12-2016 06:16 AM
silva
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Originally Posted by nr32 View Post
A low-ranking governor, not high delegation. Do you people get insulted and remain ignorant of it? Feels like trying to explain veganism to a carnivore.
You seem to be trying to find ways to insult and annoyed at your inability.
Why?
Better question, why try and bring down Obama in a Trump thread?
06-11-2016 11:33 PM
nr32
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Originally Posted by Beautiful Joe View Post
Are you aware that the "governor" is a member of the Saudi royal family, or are you just choosing to not mention that?
A low-ranking governor, not high delegation. Do you people get insulted and remain ignorant of it? Feels like trying to explain veganism to a carnivore.
06-11-2016 11:29 PM
nr32
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Originally Posted by Joan Kennedy View Post
Mustafa Alani might have expertise within his own job, but he’s out of his lane here. A Security analyst from Iraq is free to opine about nuances of insult within official Saudi Protocol, just as you are and I am.
I come eagerly looking forward to a response, and this is what I get? Joan, I expected more from you. This is just pathetic.

A man who has a Ph.D. in Politics and an M.A. in International Relations and spends his days studying political and security developments in the Middle East from the Geneva-based Gulf Research Center most certainly has weight in his opinion -- much more than you do, unless you feel better qualified to form opinions about Saudi protocol.

You are, of course, free to retract from the main argument and discuss this man's credentials all day long.

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Originally Posted by Joan Kennedy View Post
But he holds the legitimacy of any other random blogger, especially while writing so floridly and so far outside his knowledge area. Like when an obstetrician/politician like Ron Paul puts on his Economist hat to shill for Precious Metals dealers. On a website like American Thinker, Alani doesn’t have to be accurate or accountable, or trustworthy. All he has to do is demonstrate hostility for the current Administration, and he’s in the club.
The red herring runs strongly in this one. Your giant argument about Dr. Alani's ("random blogger's") perceived legitimacy retracts from the main argument about S.A. royals insulting Obama. Unless you've got evidence to prove otherwise, your argument failed to counter my claim. Like I said:

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Regardless, it shouldn't take some Senior Advisor and Program Director in Security and Terrorism Studies at the Gulf Research Center to know when you've been insulted.
Of all the people, I was looking forward to actually discussing something worthwhile; what a let down.

P.S. where is this man on American Thinker? I am trying to find blog posts from him. Do link me to one of his posts, since you seem to know a lot about him.
06-11-2016 10:15 AM
Joan Kennedy
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Originally Posted by nr32 View Post
http://www.grc.net/index.php?&PK_ID=...=Mustafa+Alani

But what does he know right? /sarcasm

Regardless, it shouldn't take some Senior Advisor and Program Director in Security and Terrorism Studies at the Gulf Research Center to know when you've been insulted.
Mustafa Alani might have expertise within his own job, but he’s out of his lane here. A Security analyst from Iraq is free to opine about nuances of insult within official Saudi Protocol, just as you are and I am. But he holds the legitimacy of any other random blogger, especially while writing so floridly and so far outside his knowledge area. Like when an obstetrician/politician like Ron Paul puts on his Economist hat to shill for Precious Metals dealers. On a website like American Thinker, Alani doesn’t have to be accurate or accountable, or trustworthy. All he has to do is demonstrate hostility for the current Administration, and he’s in the club.
06-11-2016 09:59 AM
Beautiful Joe Here's an in-depth look at Trump's casino businesses in Atlantic City, how he bankrupted them repeatedly while pulling massive amounts out for himself, and how he drove many small businesses out of business in the process, and at the same time helped drive Atlantic City to economic collapse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/ny...ntic-city.html

Unsurprisingly, he's using the same language today about what he's going to do "for" the country.
06-11-2016 09:55 AM
Beautiful Joe Are you aware that the "governor" is a member of the Saudi royal family, or are you just choosing to not mention that?
06-10-2016 11:51 PM
nr32
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Originally Posted by Joan Kennedy View Post
The guest blogger on American Thinker? That Mustafa Alani? I'd sooner take my talking points from Rush Limbaugh.
http://www.grc.net/index.php?&PK_ID=...=Mustafa+Alani

But what does he know right? /sarcasm

Regardless, it shouldn't take some Senior Advisor and Program Director in Security and Terrorism Studies at the Gulf Research Center to know when you've been insulted.
06-10-2016 10:56 PM
Joan Kennedy
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Originally Posted by nr32 View Post
Lol. I couldn't help but facepalm.

Mustafa Alani, a security analyst at the Gulf Research Center, said that the Saudi decision not to send high-level delegation to the president was unusual and intended to send a clear message that they had little faith in him.
The guest blogger on American Thinker? That Mustafa Alani? I'd sooner take my talking points from Rush Limbaugh.
06-10-2016 09:21 PM
LedBoots Once Bush, Sr vomited right on the Japanese Prime Minister. Talk about a breach of protocol!
06-10-2016 09:19 PM
nr32 Lol. I couldn't help but facepalm.

Seriously. I'm laughing.

Let's talk protocol, shall we?

When Obama bowed to the Saudi king, some people were furious, incorrectly viewing the action as subservience. However, it was not -- it was protocol -- common courtesy given according to appropriate customs. It's expected that one gives respect where respect is due.

However, it was not "protocol" to insult a POTUS with a greeting by a governor. Mustafa Alani, a security analyst at the Gulf Research Center, said that the Saudi decision not to send high-level delegation to the president was unusual and intended to send a clear message that they had little faith in him.

On the flip side, a POTUS not greeting a head of state isn't intended to be an insult. It's the intentions. We have people to greet visitors -- it's how we do things. It is our custom. But the event at Riyadh wasn't "protocol." It was intended to insult.

Respect should be given where respect is due. Their action was an insult and should be viewed as such. If you're not upset by that, I honestly have nothing else to say to you.
06-10-2016 06:49 PM
Beautiful Joe Romney, today:

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The 2012 Republican nominee, who has openly opposed Trump's candidacy, went further than he has before in outlining to CNN's Wolf Blitzer how the country's character would suffer in a Trump White House. Trump's rhetoric has caused even some other Republicans to label him a racist, and Romney said he would not be able to paper over his incendiary remarks.

"I don't want to see trickle-down racism," Romney said in an interview here in a suite overlooking the Wasatch Mountains, where he is hosting his yearly ideas conference. "I don't want to see a president of the United States saying things which change the character of the generations of Americans that are following. Presidents have an impact on the nature of our nation, and trickle-down racism, trickle-down bigotry, trickle-down misogyny, all these things are extraordinarily dangerous to the heart and character of America."

Romney, who actively sought to recruit an independent, third-party challenger to Trump, also conceded that a credible candidate will not emerge. But he did show a new openness to one non-Trump candidate, libertarian Gary Johnson, whom he did not rule out voting for.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/politi...ism/index.html
06-10-2016 05:55 PM
Joan Kennedy I'd hate to be the one who had to explain to a President Trump, over and over, why it's not the way he thought it would be.
06-10-2016 05:46 PM
Beautiful Joe It's almost worth voting for Trump, to be able to see him flying out of country after country in a huff, w/o ever leaving the airplane.
06-10-2016 04:13 PM
Joan Kennedy
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Originally Posted by LedBoots View Post
As I said, it doesn't normally go that way. As the article notes, it's a somewhat rare move. Pope Francis is Elvis in the Flesh.
06-10-2016 04:03 PM
LedBoots
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Originally Posted by Joan Kennedy View Post
When a foreign head of state visits the United States, the President might or might not meet with the individual, by appointment, at the White House, the President's own turf, during that head of state's visit. Depending on why the person is in our country. But our President would not normally, if ever, go to the airport to meet that person's plane and be that person's "greeter." The President has people for that. You want to meet with the President, you go to the President, not the other way around. The President might throw you a state dinner, but again, it depends on why you're here and whether your intent is more aligned with the President's party or the opposing party. Obama did not hold a state dinner, for example, or even meet with, Benjamin Netanyahu when House and Senate Republicans invited Netanyahu to come here to address Congress.

Trump doesn't know what he doesn't know about protocol. Protocol doesn't mandate heads of countries kissing up to heads of larger countries by riding to airports to meet their planes. It would be unseemly to expect that. Trump would probably expect that.
http://www.people.com/people/mobile/...951454,00.html
06-10-2016 02:36 PM
Joan Kennedy
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Originally Posted by nr32 View Post
When Obama visited Saudi Arabia, he was greeted by a governor. The President of the United States visits Saudi Arabia and is greeted by a governor, NOT the crown prince or the king, but some governor. To make it worse, Obama kissed a** the entire time actively trying to placate the Saudi king. That's a slap on the face for us because we are starting to be perceived as weak (which is absolutely terrible on the global stage). You've got to remember that being a superpower is more than just having lots of weapons or a huge army. At the risk of sounding Machiavellian, the perception of power is often more influential than the power itself. If I recall correctly, something similar happened to Obama in China too. This is not good for our image.
When a foreign head of state visits the United States, the President might or might not meet with the individual, by appointment, at the White House, the President's own turf, during that head of state's visit. Depending on why the person is in our country. But our President would not normally, if ever, go to the airport to meet that person's plane and be that person's "greeter." The President has people for that. You want to meet with the President, you go to the President, not the other way around. The President might throw you a state dinner, but again, it depends on why you're here and whether your intent is more aligned with the President's party or the opposing party. Obama did not hold a state dinner, for example, or even meet with, Benjamin Netanyahu when House and Senate Republicans invited Netanyahu to come here to address Congress.

Trump doesn't know what he doesn't know about protocol. Protocol doesn't mandate heads of countries kissing up to heads of larger countries by riding to airports to meet their planes. It would be unseemly to expect that. Trump would probably expect that.
06-10-2016 02:03 PM
ocrob37 I don't deny that it is possible for him to become president and do a great job. I just find it highly unlikely and the dude scares me.
06-10-2016 09:00 AM
nr32
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Originally Posted by ocrob37 View Post
I have not figured out how to use the quotes. nr32 some of what you said I agree with and some I don't and that is totally cool. Your comment about being scared of something and not making it true is a very odd comment. People are scared of a lot of things and that is a feeling. If I am scared of spiders does it make it true? Makes no sense to me at all.
ocrob37, the comment was regarding being "afraid" of what Trump might cause and how that fear does not always translate to reality.
06-08-2016 08:35 AM
Beautiful Joe
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Originally Posted by LedBoots View Post
Shall we post opinion pieces on Hillary, as well?
Considering the thread's title, you should probably start a new thread for that purpose.
06-08-2016 04:13 AM
LedBoots Shall we post opinion pieces on Hillary, as well?
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