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12-14-2015 02:39 PM
Ovo-Lacto-Vegetarian You've been enlightened.

And with that comes sensitivity, realization, and responsibility.
Welcome, I'm on the journey myself
11-16-2015 10:04 AM
Beautiful Joe In many ways, it sucks to be this way. When I was a kid, I loved ice storms, because the result was so beautiful - a world encased in diamonds. Now I just feel awful for all of the animals, especially the small ones, between the cold and the inability to find food. And you're not alone about the prey/predator thing; one being living another day entails the death of another.

There's just so much simple enjoyment that others take for granted (in weather, in a hawk circling above, etc.) that's just no longer possible when one has become sensitized to the cost in suffering of it all.
11-16-2015 03:38 AM
Birna Ósk Björnsdóttir
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Originally Posted by David3 View Post
People aren't trying to be cruel. People mentally protect themselves from full awareness of the harm that they do - that's how nice people are able to eat meat without suffering psychologically.


I think that, when a person stops eating meat, they are able to let down this mental shield - compassion and empathy then start flooding in, and it can be intense.


I've been vegan for 24 years, and these things don't bother me so much anymore. However, I do things that others might find strange. I pick up worms from the middle of sidewalks, and transfer them back to the dirt - while saying things like, "Hang on baby, here is a better place for you". Basically, I talk to nearly all animals as if they were dogs.

What you wrote makes a lot of sense actually.

And I'm glad to hear about you talking to animals! I usher them away from harm as well, always have.

That alongside my need to make shelters for wild animals and make sure they don't starve - yes, I'm considered strange. Proud to be strange if that's what it is!
11-15-2015 10:52 PM
David3 People aren't trying to be cruel. People mentally protect themselves from full awareness of the harm that they do - that's how nice people are able to eat meat without suffering psychologically.


I think that, when a person stops eating meat, they are able to let down this mental shield - compassion and empathy then start flooding in, and it can be intense.


I've been vegan for 24 years, and these things don't bother me so much anymore. However, I do things that others might find strange. I pick up worms from the middle of sidewalks, and transfer them back to the dirt - while saying things like, "Hang on baby, here is a better place for you". Basically, I talk to nearly all animals as if they were dogs.
11-15-2015 04:29 AM
Birna Ósk Björnsdóttir
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Originally Posted by VeggieGurl06 View Post
I still can't watch videos or look at pictures of graphic violence against animals.
My husband loves to watch documentaries on animals in the wild and I can't even watch them.
I feel horrible when an animal dies or gets hurt even though I fully understand how nature works!
He found one that guaranteed no animals would die in and I felt bad watching that one too - because I felt bad for the prey and then when they got away, I felt bad for the hunter for having no food for her babies all the while cheering for the prey as well!

That's when hubby gave up! lol

Sigh...

I called hubby to come home (crying) because I stumbled upon a Shrew outside that was slowly dying and I figured he could somehow help. If that wasn't enough, I even suggested we could try to make warm "burrows" for the mice and the shrews before the snow comes!


Glad to know I'm not alone, thank you for your reply Veggiegurl!
11-15-2015 04:21 AM
Birna Ósk Björnsdóttir
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Originally Posted by RiggerBoots View Post
I understand the frustration OP but try to remember that you yourself one time could have said such a thing to a vegetarian, vegan, animal lover etc without seeing anything wrong with the statement.
That's exactly what I think. My friend is a very good hearted person so I know she doesn't mean anything by it. I even said to her that I'm glad they enjoyed themselves every time they went (although I didn't *quite* mean it from the bottom of my heart).

I don't think I'm better than anyone since doing this or anything of the sort and I don't preach to anyone about it.

If a vegan/vegetarian topic comes up I recommend people to watch the documentaries I watched and I'll answer any questions, praise the good food but that's about it (unless they start a longer discussion).

The only thing I can figure is that I had *just* read this article :
http://www.thestranger.com/features/...i-for-45-years

and it broke my heart into pieces.

I didn't snap on her or anything, I just told her that they wouldn't be stopping the shows altogether but it did catch me off guard just how upset I got.

Thanks for the reply guys! It's good to know that I can safely vent here!
11-15-2015 02:09 AM
RiggerBoots I understand the frustration OP but try to remember that you yourself one time could have said such a thing to a vegetarian, vegan, animal lover etc without seeing anything wrong with the statement.

The person you are speaking to isn't making a statement to annoy you or to show their appreciation for animal torture and mistreatment (even if in reality that's what it is), they are merely expressing their sorrow that magnificent feats and spectacles by animals witnessed by them won't be seen again. It's not that they are sorry wild orca's won't be captured and forced to perform tricks and live in a tiny tank, it's merely that they seen amazing creatures showing why they are amazing. Try to grit the teeth and share that joy of animals rather than lose your mind that anyone would see a creature like a whale be separated from it's family and forced into a life of performing bondage in exchange for basic levels of care.

If you lose your cool you look like the nut in their eyes so instead you agree that whales are amazing and you share your knowledge on why they are amazing i.e. stronger family bonds and emotions than humans while subtly pointing out that their amazingness can be seen up close in the wild and there is no need to capture them from the wild and force them to live in cramp tanks and to perform in exchange for food etc. (more subtly than that). Don't get preachy about it or lose your cool just make short statements of yeah that's amazing but i'll take seeing a whale breaking through the surface of the water over mistreating it and forcing it to do ball tricks for our entertainment like a dancing bear with a ring through it's nose. You get my drift, even if my examples are poor.

Alternatively get them a copy of Black Fish for the Winter Solstice and a copy of the best wildlife documentary on whales - a homemade effort if need be i.e. carl sagan talking about them spliced with the BBC's quality pieces on their species.
11-14-2015 11:18 PM
VeggieGurl06 I think this is perfectly normal. I have been vegetarian for almost 10 years (vegan for 3) and I went through something similar with being more sensitive to animal issues. I still can't watch videos or look at pictures of graphic violence against animals. I even go through occasional crying spells for all the harm that is being done to them (as well as children, which I am also very sensitive about).
11-14-2015 06:47 PM
Birna Ósk Björnsdóttir
Became very sensitive about animals

I've only very recently kicked the meat bucket and I am currently a vegetarian although I am slowly checking out the vegan dairy products so I can eventually become Vegan.

I never expected everyone around me to throw out their meats and become a Vegan - not at all.

Anyway - I was always a bit of a hypocrite.
I used to eat very little meat (although I was very poorly informed about factory farming), I always cared very deeply about animals, I wouldn't support companies of any kind that tested on animals and Sea world and animal parks never sat right with me at all.

Well, after my bout of documentaries and reading articles I felt that horrible that I dropped meat altogether.

But since then I have even less tolerance about topics such as Sea World (never mind animal agriculture).

My best friend and her family go often to Florida and one of their regular stops is at Sea World.

Like I said - I never supported it and I always declined watching the videos they took and hearing about the details.

Of course there were slip ups and scattered comments about the amazing shows and what not but I was quick to brush them off and change the subject.

Since I became a vegetarian, there has only been one comment. She brought it up by saying she was glad she took the kids to Sea World before, because apparently they won't be doing shows anymore and she would miss it.

It really ticked me off this time. I don't know why.
Maybe because I know that whatever this "stunt" Sea World is pulling, they sure as heck aren't stopping any shows.

As far as I know, it's only the Orlando park that is going to stop their breeding program and "change" their show to another which is supposed to show the animals in a more "natural" setting?

I don't know why I'm writing this, I think this is mostly becoming a ranting vent more than anything.

I've set pretty clear boundaries, both now and in the past, of what I don't want to see or hear (unless there is an opportunity to educate) but I'm obviously more sensitive about these subjects now.

I'm hoping this is all a part of it and I'm not alone?

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