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12-22-2015 08:21 AM
Jasminedesi16
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Originally Posted by Naturebound View Post
Just think though, in another twenty years when everyone else is aging and wishing they looked younger you can rub it in their faces. I get your frustration though!
I hope so :P It is just annoying being talked down too all the time lol


Haha @silva that's because anime characters never age past fourteen :P jk
12-21-2015 06:18 PM
silva
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Originally Posted by Jasminedesi16 View Post
Lol I agree its so annoying. I am in my twenties (25) now and I really hate when people think I'm younger. Someone recently just asked me if I was 14 and it was so embarrassing, I was in Seaside Heights and almost got my ID snapped when I tried to get into a bar. And I had a 20 year old ask me what High School I go too. Its so ANNOYING. My boyfriend is a year older than me and never gets carded or anything. I hate too when adults talk to me like I am a "stupid" teenager. Unfortunately I am also really short like 4'10-4'11 so that doesn't help
You do look awfully young in your avatar picture...
12-21-2015 06:00 PM
Naturebound
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Originally Posted by Jasminedesi16 View Post
Lol I agree its so annoying. I am in my twenties (25) now and I really hate when people think I'm younger. Someone recently just asked me if I was 14 and it was so embarrassing, I was in Seaside Heights and almost got my ID snapped when I tried to get into a bar. And I had a 20 year old ask me what High School I go too. Its so ANNOYING. My boyfriend is a year older than me and never gets carded or anything. I hate too when adults talk to me like I am a "stupid" teenager. Unfortunately I am also really short like 4'10-4'11 so that doesn't help
Just think though, in another twenty years when everyone else is aging and wishing they looked younger you can rub it in their faces. I get your frustration though!
12-21-2015 12:05 PM
Jasminedesi16
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Originally Posted by Naturebound View Post
Aw, thanks! I have always looked young for my age, and being vegan has not changed that. I used to hate looking so young when I was in my twenties and early thirties (though I still refused to wear makeup). I was asked once at an airport when I was 23 years old and traveling alone if I needed an escort on the plane. They thought I was like 12 lol. Now I am ever grateful for still looking young at my age.
Though people have made patronizing remarks to me because looking young apparently comes along with not looking as "wise". sighs.
Lol I agree its so annoying. I am in my twenties (25) now and I really hate when people think I'm younger. Someone recently just asked me if I was 14 and it was so embarrassing, I was in Seaside Heights and almost got my ID snapped when I tried to get into a bar. And I had a 20 year old ask me what High School I go too. Its so ANNOYING. My boyfriend is a year older than me and never gets carded or anything. I hate too when adults talk to me like I am a "stupid" teenager. Unfortunately I am also really short like 4'10-4'11 so that doesn't help
12-21-2015 10:20 AM
Joan Kennedy Somebody I know says she would love to be vegetarian but can't because of intestinal damage she suffered in her childhood, which left her permanently unable to digest most vegetables. I hadn't brought up vegetarian eating; she had. By way of presenting herself as someone who cares about animals but must eat them.

It would not have been hard to point out that meat-eaters need vegetables as much as vegetarians do, and that whatever she's doing to supplement and make up for that micronutrient loss would continue to work if she went vegetarian. Easy to make the point but wouldn't have made a difference. She believes what she remembers her doctor saying, not anything I'd say. Plus I get the strong impression that she wants what she wants, plus she seems to be asking for credit for having the integrity and discipline she associates with vegetarianism. To me that's the most annoying part of hearing why someone "can't be vegetarian." The good part is that vegetarianism seems to be associated with integrity and discipline in the minds of many omnivores. Yay???
11-15-2015 03:12 AM
Naturebound
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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
I was once mistaken for a young boy by a man sitting opposite me on a train. He kept asking me about school and calling me "buddy." I was a senior in high school and didn't realize his mistake until he caught sight of my painted nails and suddenly started stammering, "You know, when I say 'buddy,' I mean, I call everyone that, no offense...!" Then he asked me if I was dating anyone and it got creepy real fast.


The young boy thing happened to me too when I was at a wilderness seminar some years ago. The speaker chose me to come up front and help him demonstrate being small and adjusting a canoe so I could carry it (I was the smallest person in the room hence the reason he picked me). He addressed me as young man at first until coming closer and then he was really embarassed to realize I was a woman. Strangely, I found it more amusing than embarassing myself.
11-14-2015 11:00 PM
no whey jose
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Originally Posted by Naturebound View Post
Aw, thanks! I have always looked young for my age, and being vegan has not changed that. I used to hate looking so young when I was in my twenties and early thirties (though I still refused to wear makeup). I was asked once at an airport when I was 23 years old and traveling alone if I needed an escort on the plane. They thought I was like 12 lol. Now I am ever grateful for still looking young at my age.
Though people have made patronizing remarks to me because looking young apparently comes along with not looking as "wise". sighs.
I was once mistaken for a young boy by a man sitting opposite me on a train. He kept asking me about school and calling me "buddy." I was a senior in high school and didn't realize his mistake until he caught sight of my painted nails and suddenly started stammering, "You know, when I say 'buddy,' I mean, I call everyone that, no offense...!" Then he asked me if I was dating anyone and it got creepy real fast.
11-14-2015 07:29 PM
Naturebound
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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
You look so young that I had forgotten you were 43! You look at least a decade younger than that.
Aw, thanks! I have always looked young for my age, and being vegan has not changed that. I used to hate looking so young when I was in my twenties and early thirties (though I still refused to wear makeup). I was asked once at an airport when I was 23 years old and traveling alone if I needed an escort on the plane. They thought I was like 12 lol. Now I am ever grateful for still looking young at my age.
Though people have made patronizing remarks to me because looking young apparently comes along with not looking as "wise". sighs.
11-14-2015 10:40 AM
no whey jose
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Originally Posted by Naturebound View Post
I also look very young for my 43 years. In fact, I was at a laundromat talking to a few people one day, and they didn't know I was vegan, and the subject of diet came up. Someone mentioned about vegans and someone else chimed in that they all look so old and ill lol. So I came out and said I have been strict vegan for 4.5 years and I am 43 years old. That shut them up fairly quickly.
You look so young that I had forgotten you were 43! You look at least a decade younger than that.
11-13-2015 07:03 PM
Auxin A vegan ketogenic diet is possible, it would be weird and obscure but heck- thats what some people think all vegan diets are anyway.
In short a ketogenic diet is a form of mock-fasting. With no carbs around the body fears starvation and so it spares protein and makes brain food out of fat.
The irony in your friends case is that in scientific research ketogenic diets are mainly [knowingly] used as an inferior substitute for an absolute fast because of the assumption that eating nothing but meat would be far more 'acceptable' than safely abstaining from all food and everything but water for one to eight weeks as is done in a clinically monitored therapeutic fast. The research that laid the foundation for the initial intervention was a vegan one [whats more vegan than water].
Thats academic at this point tho because obviously a person cant live on a fast indefinitely, as somewhere from day 20 to 60 starvation sets in and the fast must end, but a radically low carb high fat vegan ketogenic diet could be formulated by an imaginative cook. Just a thought.
I wish your friend luck, thats an intimidating situation to be in for sure!
11-13-2015 01:23 PM
orphansparrow My best friend was diagnosed with brain cancer 2 years ago. It was inoperable, as it was considered a cancerous lesion, as opposed to a tumor, and spread throughout his brain. He had been a vegetarian until his homeopathic doctor advised him going on an extremely strict ketogenic diet. He can eat no grains, no fruit except for 1/4 a cup of dark berries per day, and only certain vegetables. He has to avoid carrots, tomatoes, potatoes, certain kinds of squash, etc, for their higher sugar content. That leaves him a diet composed greatly of meats, oils, avocados, dairy, and dark greens. He opted to do just the dietary change, and forgo all but the first round of chemo, and his cancer went away. He is terrified of it coming back, and thusly has chosen this insanely strict diet. He does not enjoy eating meat, and has lost a ton of weight as a result of his no carb diet. He doesn't feel necessarily healthy, but he is cancer free. I worry about him so much, and feel really bad for him about his diet. There are all kinds of theories that go against this type of diet, but brain cancer is a different type of cancer. The cancer cells can live off of glucose alone, so that leaves little room for dietary choices. This is one example of why a very tiny percent of people may not be able to be vegetarian.
11-11-2015 11:50 PM
hfdagragzz I have no idea if this is the case with this casesam.co.uk particular woman, but without more info,www.casesam.co.uk it's hard to tell if it's a genetic issue or an implementation issue.
11-06-2015 02:37 AM
Naturebound
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Originally Posted by Thalassa4 View Post
I'm in my 30s and my periods instantly become much more manageable when I eat consistently strict vegan ...no breast pain during PMS, less bloating...then during, cramps exist but are much less severe. As an omni I sometimes had cramps so bad I felt sick for two days, or would be doubled over in pain, at one point actually began to suspect endometriosis, because of pain that seemed stabbing and connected to my bowels. But that's not a problem at all eliminating meat and milk.


My mother seems to think it's the hormones in milk. She went off milk about ten years ago, and benign lumps in her breasts disappeared.
I'm always happy to hear stories like this!!! I had severe endometriosis for years and it was debilitating. I ended up having a total hysterectomy and lost both ovaries when I was 33 years old (ten years ago), and the health consequences from that have been extreme. I had not wanted to lose my ovaries and woke up from the surgery not expecting them to be gone. :/ Life became a whirlwind of hell for years trying to learn to adjust. If I could do it over, knowing what I know now, I would have gone vegan back then. I had a terrible intolerance to dairy products and they contributed to and aggravated the pain and inflammation of my endometriosis. I already avoided dairy for years. I suspect that the eggs and meat I was consuming also contributed to increased inflammation and pain. There is a growing body of studies that show that eating a plant based diet helps manage hormonal problems like endometriosis. I wish I had paid attention more to that then instead of being talked into such an extreme measure of treatment. I did all the conventional treatments...lupron, birth control etc and all of them made me sick.

I CAN say that, having had hypothyroidism for 27 years, my average dose of Synthroid for many years was 112 mcgs. As a vegan my average dose over the last four years has been 100 mcgs, so I have needed less med to regulate my thyroid. I also look very young for my 43 years. In fact, I was at a laundromat talking to a few people one day, and they didn't know I was vegan, and the subject of diet came up. Someone mentioned about vegans and someone else chimed in that they all look so old and ill lol. So I came out and said I have been strict vegan for 4.5 years and I am 43 years old. That shut them up fairly quickly.
11-05-2015 11:53 PM
Thalassa4
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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
Yes! A healthy person would have to eat really, really poorly for quite a while before feeling anything. It always gets me when they say "I tried going veg for a week and I got sick"! No, you didn't.
Yeah unless they were backed up from a prior lack of fiber and all the fiber made all the crap suddenly and painfully eliminate, which is not really being sick, it's more like your guts are full of rotten meat that's being swept out with a vengeance by beans and cabbage.

I never had that issue, but I'm sure that happens to people who were not getting adequate fiber as meat eaters.

The other possibility is that they were abusing alcohol and not taking a B12 supplement, because alcohol steals your B vitamins like a theif.

Then of course near starvation or excess of junk food because of being ignorant of what to eat.

That's the main reasons someone could feel sick within a week, and none are specifically tied to a vegetarian or vegan diet. Those are minor and easily correctable issues.

I know some annoying person who swears she couldn't be vegan because she was allergic to fruit and felt terrible. I guess she wasnt swift enough to figure out a balanced vegan diet isn't the same thing as "thirty bananas a day" or living off smoothies.

I frankly feel better. I feel so much better that when I stop dairy I ask myself why I went back on it. And the thought of eating eggs or meat are actually what make me feel sick to my stomach.
11-05-2015 11:34 PM
Thalassa4
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Originally Posted by Ashlan View Post
Hm, actually, I think being vegetarian has increased my hair, as well as my periods have going on ( and on and on and ) (I'm 55 now!) and I don't think they're going to stop.
I'm in my 30s and my periods instantly become much more manageable when I eat consistently strict vegan ...no breast pain during PMS, less bloating...then during, cramps exist but are much less severe. As an omni I sometimes had cramps so bad I felt sick for two days, or would be doubled over in pain, at one point actually began to suspect endometriosis, because of pain that seemed stabbing and connected to my bowels. But that's not a problem at all eliminating meat and milk.


My mother seems to think it's the hormones in milk. She went off milk about ten years ago, and benign lumps in her breasts disappeared.
11-05-2015 11:18 PM
Thalassa4
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Originally Posted by overthedam View Post
A close friend has looked awful ever since she went "veg". As a lifelong vegetarian myself, I did wonder when she announced she was not going to eat meat (under pressure from her spouse) because we have been friends since high school, and all she ever ate was meat --- often raw! Sometimes along with bread and cheese. My advice not really wanted, I guess. She lost weight, which pleases her, but her skin is grey. I don't know how it could be possible, but maybe some people are just meant to have a certain diet...

I tend to think it's because the person has no idea how to eat. If you can't eat beans or legumes, or nuts, and refuse to eat green vegetables regularly, if you won't stir some black strap molasses into your oatmeal or tea, and try different grains like quinoa...sure, you're going to be a terrible unhealthy vegetarian, and otherwise would be a fat unhealthy meat eater. The only difference is that malnourishment is more apparent than high cholesterol, heart disease, diabetes, pre-cancer and all of the other health problems omnivores are walking around with daily and hiding under chubby red cheeks instead of gray skin...you can be plump and malnourished from empty calories and lack of vegetables, etc.
11-05-2015 11:01 PM
Thalassa4 This is probably because she had a ****ty diet, some vegetarians I think overcompensate for not eating meat by over doing dairy, or just never learning anything about nutrition. Honestly for health reasons I think even lacto-ovos should eat a lot of "vegan" foods so they get plenty of nutrients and aren't inhaling sick amounts of cheese.
11-01-2015 01:26 AM
Windigo Many of you on this forum have followed my story as I've been a member for years.

For years I struggled as a vegetarian wanting to be a vegan, because I kept having serious nutrition issues no matter how healthy I ate. It turns out that I've had Crohn's disease all those years; as it was just recently diagnosed.

This explains why my body wouldn't absorb iron, b12 and other vitamins correctly; and also why I found it impossible to go vegan. Being vegetarian however, was always possible.

Now I've got good medication for my Crohn's and am able to absorb more nutrients; I have gone vegan and am very happy to be.

So no, I don't believe people can't be vegetarian at least because even with my issues I could be. But being vegan can be difficult/or impossible if you have a very serious illness like I have. But hey; how many people are there that are like me?

Most people just don't want to go through the inconvenience of having to think about their meals and read labels. So yeah, when someone says they can't be veg*n; ask them for their reasons.

If they have a serious illness though, please be respectful of their choice because having a life threatening illness is hard. I've had people tell me that I must not care about animals because I was vegetarian and not vegan, and this simply wasn't true. I couldn't do more because I was seriously ill; and this put me off veganism for quite a while. Please remember who you are speaking with.
10-22-2015 08:30 PM
Lymo
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Originally Posted by stanie View Post


if somebody cant be vegan, then they should die if that is the case. animals shouldnt have to die so humans can live.
This is so stupid. Should all carnivorous animals die too?
10-22-2015 06:53 PM
busyvegetarians If you eat pop corn, french fries and soda, you are vegetarian but for sure you will have a pancreatitis. I guess she has a really bad diet.
10-20-2015 05:04 PM
LedBoots ^LOL [emoji23]
10-20-2015 02:09 PM
Auxin I chuckled at it too, because cows only eat plants so if plants dont have iron cows must be magical alchemists

Rather than eating cows she should be politely asking them to make some gold too.
The cow that laid the golden... well, ok. Dont go too far in visualizing that.
10-20-2015 10:38 AM
Sadrielle
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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
I was arguing on Facebook yesterday with a woman who persistently insisted that meat is the only source of iron. [emoji30]
I don't know if I want to like that because it made me chortle IRL, or if I should actually be shaking my head sadly. D:
10-20-2015 04:27 AM
no whey jose
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Originally Posted by Sadrielle View Post
Oh good. I'm glad to hear. It pains me when people don't understand nutrition and biology basics.
I was arguing on Facebook yesterday with a woman who persistently insisted that meat is the only source of iron. [emoji30]
10-19-2015 10:36 PM
Sadrielle
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Originally Posted by Loki Laufeyson View Post
I know it isn't true. I didn't say it was. Lmfao?? It is what I heard.
Oh good. I'm glad to hear. It pains me when people don't understand nutrition and biology basics.
10-19-2015 08:54 PM
Loki Laufeyson
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Originally Posted by LedBoots View Post
Not true
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Originally Posted by Sadrielle View Post
To understand how wrong this statement is, you need to know what proteins consist of. Every protein "building block" (amino acids) that is found in meat can be found in plants. Your body does not discriminate the source from which it comes; when you digest food, it sees which building blocks it needs, and it takes it. It's just as easy to get a complete essential amino acid profile from a variety of plant sources as it is boil an egg.

B12 is a different story.
I know it isn't true. I didn't say it was. Lmfao?? It is what I heard.
10-19-2015 10:43 AM
Sadrielle
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Originally Posted by Loki Laufeyson View Post
I just heard from someone recently that some people cannot be vegetarians because there are some proteins people need that haven't been found in nuts/plants, yet, therefore they need meat.
To understand how wrong this statement is, you need to know what proteins consist of. Every protein "building block" (amino acids) that is found in meat can be found in plants. Your body does not discriminate the source from which it comes; when you digest food, it sees which building blocks it needs, and it takes it. It's just as easy to get a complete essential amino acid profile from a variety of plant sources as it is boil an egg.

B12 is a different story.
10-19-2015 09:42 AM
LedBoots
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Originally Posted by Loki Laufeyson View Post
I just heard from someone recently that some people cannot be vegetarians because there are some proteins people need that haven't been found in nuts/plants, yet, therefore they need meat.
Not true
10-19-2015 09:03 AM
Beautiful Joe
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Originally Posted by Auxin View Post
It should be considered in the context of a monastic lifestyle. And its one thing that makes me hesitate to become a monk some day.
Buddhist monks can only eat whats offered to them, can only eat from sunrise until solar noon, and can not store food overnight. When vegetarian food is available to them good monks will eat that however often times, especially in southeast asia and the west, people often only offer meat dishes. In these instances good monks will still try to only eat the vegetarian portion but it often isnt enough. I've heard from several monks how they had to eat nothing but an inadequate amount of rice for weeks at a time and then if they got sick from malaria, typhoid, hepatitis, etc. they had to just give up and eat meat. Even if it was two month old rotten fish (no joke, its called pla dek).
The real problem is lay buddhists and non-buddhist hosts not giving them vegan food.
The dalai lama still eats vegetarian at 'home' so its clear he wants to, he just doesnt want to get sick from malnutrition on the road.
If a veg*n ever feels down because family wont eat the food they cook you can always go feed a buddhist monk, just call the local temple and ask when to bring in food

[Buddhist monks are firmly prohibited from eating meat if they reasonably think the animal was killed for them]
I don't think that's the lifestyle that the Dalai Lama leads. He has his own cooks. http://www.yowangdu.com/tibetan-food...rmer-cook.html

IMO, the Dalai Lama is like any other jetsetter "veg*n". He hangs out with the rich and famous, and pays lip service to the tenets of his religion only insofar as it keeps intact the image which allows him to attract the rich and famous.
10-19-2015 07:39 AM
Loki Laufeyson I just heard from someone recently that some people cannot be vegetarians because there are some proteins people need that haven't been found in nuts/plants, yet, therefore they need meat.
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