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|09-13-2015 07:29 PM|
Pseudoscience and all forms of quackery are dangerous and destructive.
There is no factual controversy over Freelee's "philosophy". There is no question that she is spreading falsehoods.
|09-13-2015 12:51 PM|
However, one thing that does concern me is when I see people in the vegan community recommending her videos and website to brand new vegans. My own personal view is that Freelee's approach to veganism is very regimented and extreme when you look at the general overview of what vegan eating includes (whether it is disordered eating or not is a separate issue). I think most people would agree that when someone is new to veganism and just getting to understand that it is a philosophy and a lifestyle that is not just about what you do and do not eat, starting with the rainbow of foods that you can eat as a vegan (whole grains, beans, veggies, fruits, good fats, etc) is the positive approach rather than emphasizing all that is restricted (and, with Freelee's kind of diet, we're not just talking about eliminating meat and dairy but also eating small amounts of cooked foods - at least, as I understand it). Let's face it - going vegan for many people is difficult and they tend to focus on everything they CAN'T eat. So I think that introducing them to something like Freelee's diet is even more restricting and can turn a lot of people off. And that's not counting the fact that she's highly controversial and rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
I belong to a vegan Facebook group that has been great support, but someone recently posted that she was brand new to veganism and didn't know where to start. Someone recommended Freelee's videos. I had to put my two cents in, and posted just what Freelee is about and that I didn't think it was the right place for a brand new vegan to start at all. That really concerns me.
|08-24-2015 06:24 PM|
|lookforstars||Honestly i think youtubers like blogilates are far worse. There are a lot of things i don't agree with in her videos, but sometimes i think it's to cause drama in the youtube community. The whole "any publicity is good publicity". I don't think she promotes eating disorders - but i think eating disordered people can be triggered easily by her.|
|08-24-2015 06:02 PM|
|06-23-2015 10:32 AM|
Freelee is cute and fit, so that is a great motivator for people. However veganism isnt like, a hot diet tip. So I dont know how many of her followers are in it for the long term.
Like if they dont get super fit/hot on 30BAD's version of veganism, is it right on to the next thing? Maybe a body builder style diet of whey protien shakes, egg whites, and chicken breasts?
|06-22-2015 07:46 PM|
|06-22-2015 07:39 PM|
How many people do you think would want to go vegan if it entails eating 30 bananas a day? Talk about unrealistic expectations. Convincing people to switch from the SAD to 'plain old' (non-raw) veganism is hard enough as it is.
|06-22-2015 07:05 PM|
|Go Vegan||I wanted to add that I do think It's great that she promotes veganism|
|06-22-2015 03:12 AM|
|no whey jose||
Personally, I don't watch Freelee's videos unless someone specifically asks me to comment on one or requests a reference. I've heard enough of what she has to say to form an opinion and I'd prefer not to listen to fat-shaming in my free time.
|06-21-2015 04:15 PM|
EXACTLY River Santosha. If you (general "you") don't like her, don't pay any more attention to her.
And in regards to saying you "can't" be satisfied on low protein diets, well, some people can...and thrive doing so. Eat whole unprocessed plant foods.
|06-21-2015 01:13 PM|
The Controversy of Freelee
My thought is that what will be will be. leave her alone. If people like her, they can listen to her and look up to her. If they don't, they can look elsewhere. If I disliked her and made a point of watching her YouTube videos just to crap on her advice and lifestyle the first thing I would do is examine what surely must be missing in my own life that I would feel compelled to spend time and energy feeding negativity when I could be spending it finding people I actually do like and find inspiring.
|06-20-2015 06:55 PM|
|Go Vegan||I don't know a huge amount about her but it is true that to get really toned you do need a combination of diet AND exercise. And by exercise I mean you need to put in the time regularly, using weights/ doing pushups and situps etc. I am sure that she does this and so I can only assume the reason she downplays it is because she wants to offer an "easy"/ "miracle" solution whereby one can look like her with minimal effort...|
|06-16-2015 04:20 PM|
|Scorpius||I agree with @Brain Floss that Freelee is probably definitely suffering from orthorexia and that's very sad. What's even sadder are the people coming from the same background as her (former anorexics) who are following in her footsteps, thinking what they are doing is completely healthy and normal as Freelee is doing it, too!|
|06-16-2015 03:52 PM|
|PandemicAcolyte||I don't think protein is the most satiating. I agree with McDougall on carbs(starches) and particularly potatoes being the best for me. But that's just for me I can't say for others. I always found her avoidance of legumes to be strange especially after eating more cooked foods again. I happen to get 10 to 20% protein just cause I really like lentils, and black beans. I find fruit to not be satiating simply cause it digests so quickly.|
|06-16-2015 11:23 AM|
On that note, like I said, I don't think Freelee isn't actually ripped. Let me elaborate: Her muscles are showing because she has such low body fat due to her low fat diet. My boyfriend's old roommate did nothing but sit around on his computer all day and play video games and he was "ripped"-because he hardly ever ate and also had a very, very fast metabolism. That's what I mean when I say the strength isn't actually there. She is very skinny, that's all there is to it, if her claims about how little she exercises are true. If they aren't and she exercises a lot, then I find it incredibly suspicious on why she would want to downplay that part of her lifestyle-its as if she could sell her "product" (herself, her book, her website, etc) as a "miracle cure" without having to put a lot of effort in to actually staying healthy. (not only putting in the time and energy to eat well but also the time and energy to exercise adequately) That idea would and does sell for sure.
I believe there is a balance between good health and saving animal lives. You can achieve both. Even though Freelee turns people on to veganism, many of her followers are sick and have eating disorders. That's sad. People need compassion for themselves, not just animals. People need to be healthy if they want to be animal advocates, if you want to think of it that way.
I actually didn't mention anywhere in my project that she was a nasty person, I just posted that as my own opinion here on Veggie Boards. I did an analysis of her diet with a computer program and went over her nutrient intakes, macronutrient ranges, etc. It was completely objective. No need to comment on the quality my schoolwork that you didn't see anyways here-I'm not trying to make this personal, this is supposed to be a friendly debate.
And I like to think my comment on her being negative is constructive criticism, not akin to the intense hatred that she holds. The way she expresses her negativity is just unabashed anger and it is a huge turn off. I never said that negativity should be eliminated from the planet, but if you can do with less, (i.e. making a ridiculously hateful claim that all non vegans should be killed) I think its for the better. She could be expressing her views in a much less angry and judgmental way.
Pandemic Acolyte: Freelee doesn't eat legumes (from what I've seen), which are higher in protein (the most satiating macronutrient) than many other plant based foods even though they are also high in carbohydrates. Her diet is 5% protein. That's not enough to keep someone from not feeling like they're starving all the time. I saw a video of one of her followers showing what she ate in a day-the girl went out and got a fruit smoothie with a friend and then the video cut to the girl *just* coming home from drinking the smoothie claiming that she was "STARVING!!". In addition to this, earlier in the day she had a 1,000 calorie breakfast. This girl would not feel hungry in the middle of the day if she's eating a more balanced diet and had a 1,000 calorie breakfast (not saying that would be healthy, but my point is that 1,000 calories should be enough to keep you going for a while, but if you're just eating carbs it won't) Obviously something wrong there, I think.
|06-16-2015 02:46 AM|
|PandemicAcolyte||Carbohydrates satiate me just fine. I stick with nutritional advice fro T. Colin Campbell, John McDougal, and Caldwell Esselstyn. I prefer clean arteries and a high protein diet wrecked my kidneys. But I stick with starches with some veggies, legumes, and fruits.|
|06-15-2015 09:52 PM|
You said "her strength isn't there." This means nothing. Her strength isn't where? Just having a low bmi wouldn't give her shoulder muscles and a six pack, as you suggested. I'm not saying weight training isn't good, I'm just highly sick of people saying it's necessary for this or that. Body weight is weight. Look at tennis -- Serena Williams does no weight training! She hasn't in years. Raphael Nadal does no weight training. These people are ripped, in a natural looking way.
Also, Freelee does exercise a lot -- a whole hell of a lot. She and Durianrider are always downplaying how much they exercise. They say they don't then show that they do. This blatant contradiction is one thing I wish they wouldn't do, as the only people who seem to have success on their diet are hardcore athletes.
That being said, they often plug and link to people like McDougall and Esselstyn. "Go fruit yourself... or root yourself," says Freelee. I respect this about them. I see a lot of videos of girls who fail on Freelee's diet, then turn to The Starch Solution, or something like it, and have great success. Keep in mind that many of these girls went vegan after watching Freelee's videos.
I only wish she and Durianrider wouldn't make response videos where they do a lot of fat shaming and bullying. I understand going through these emotions when somebody says your diet didn't work for them, but you should make your video after you process your emotions. It's irresponsible to do otherwise.
But, at the end of the day, the animals don't care. Hopefully some of them will live thanks to these two controversial figures spreading the message of veganism.
I hope you weren't as simplistic in your paper as you were in some of your above criticisms. I believe you said something like, she's a pretty nasty and pathological person. I'm paraphrasing, but, this doesn't seem like A+ stuff to me.
When people say stuff like, people need to be more positive, not negative, et cetera, they are usually actually stating this in a negative manner, proving through irony that the idea of somebody being positive all the time is absurd. I believe that's what you've done.
|06-14-2015 06:24 PM|
I just did a project on her and her 30 BAD in my introductory nutrition class and I came to this conclusion: Freelee is a threat to public health, both physical and mental health.
Freeler is a self admitted former anorexic. While that doesn't make a person bad, I believe she is honestly hiding her anorexia behind another eating disorder (orthorexia) and many of her followers are the same way and she encourages this. Think about it: its a diet where you can eat as much as you like and not gain any weight (for the most part, but I have heard of people gaining weight on this diet anyways because you still are consuming a massive amount of calories). That sounds like a gold mine for people with anorexia or bulimia.
Orthorexia is a "new" eating disorder. Its when someone is so obsessed with eating "healthy" or "pure" that it ends up seriously hindering their normal lives-their social lives often taking a huge cut. The people who follow this diet most likely do not have any other friends or family members who ascribe to this, so they probably spent most meals eating alone. These people can't even enjoy a vegan cupcake or pizza at a vegan restaurant with friends. Studies have shown the quality of a person's social life matters quite a bit IN ADDITION to eating healthy and exercising. Put simply, these people isolate themselves and their mental health pays for it. I can also guarantee you that these people spend the majority of their day thinking or preparing their food, another classic sign of orthorexia. This is a serious disease and CAN KILL much like anorexia or bulimia. While I understand eating healthy is hugely important, mental health is not to be taken lightly. She has a few videos addressing orthorexia but conveniently steps around the question and avoids the biggest issues with the illness and covers it up by spewing out unrealistic expectations for people. (which she very good at in all of her videos)
I can also guarantee you that these people are probably constantly hungry, despite eating massive quantities of fruit. Carbohydrates don't satiate. Protein and fats do, and this diet is 90% carbs.
In addition to all of that, I can bet you the eating habits aren't healthy anyways, despite how beautiful and trim Freelee looks. She admits that she rarely exercises, and it appears that all she does is cycle and do yoga or dance and yet she has what appear to be abs and biceps. I can tell you...its just because she has almost no fat on her body. Strength training is very important for the prevention of osteoporosis in women, and I'm guessing the majority of the people who follow Freelee are female. And yet she scoffs at it. She may have "the look" but her strength isn't there.
She's also a pretty nasty and what I would say pathological person. Not a great face for veganism. While I understand her frustration on a lot of topics, the world needs more positivity, not negativity. She is probably just getting hypertensive because of her rage...
I would love to see her change her ways or just stop altogether. She makes money off of hurting others and spewing negativity. Not cool.
|06-11-2015 06:14 AM|
When I was category 1 obese (I've lost from 267 pounds to 153) I had a lot of people tell me to stop losing weight!! I told them I was still obese and they would argue with me that it was impossible. I think they were confused about what obese looks like (and also seeing me as thin because they were used to the fatter version....I really was not thin).
|06-11-2015 05:56 AM|
|06-11-2015 03:41 AM|
|no whey jose|
|06-11-2015 12:53 AM|
You should see some omnivore claims on vegan posts on facebook.
|06-09-2015 07:17 AM|
|06-09-2015 04:25 AM|
|no whey jose||
|06-09-2015 03:27 AM|
If you are going by facebook wars or comment sections on articles, well, those people are jerks no matter what is being discussed
|06-09-2015 01:41 AM|
Seriously though, all you guys out there who have experience with multiple vegans are lucky.
I have only met one vegan in all my life. I cant exactly stereotype all vegans based on the one I knew IRL.
If I did I would say weird stuff like, "you know vegans, always eating bagels!" which was my IRL vegan's favorite breakfast food and snack.
|06-08-2015 11:58 PM|
|06-08-2015 10:18 PM|
I did say "a lot of vegans". By saying "relate to" it implies those I've communicated with. I thought it was clear but I have aspergers.
I think it's ridiculous to compare being vegan, which is a choice, to inherent traits one is born with.
I'm sorry if I appear brash.
|06-08-2015 09:51 PM|
How is that ridiculous? When you just say, "vegans," in general, you're judging us all. Why not at least say, some vegans, or, vegans I've met. Have you met all vegans? Half of us? A third? Of course not.
I've actually done this same thing, and I'm vegan! I was judging other vegans because I was resentful because I felt like some vegans were giving us a bad name. But, somebody on veggieboards reminded me that most vegans just want to eat their stir fry in peace.
Most vegans are not preachy. This has become a stereotype. Sometimes it seems like people want us to be that way.
If some preachy vegans rub you the wrong way, please keep your complaints centered on those individuals, and leave the rest of us out of it.
|06-08-2015 09:15 PM|
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