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06-25-2015 03:39 PM
Pirate Huntress Yes, it does bother me
I prefer not to be around meat because of the smell and the fact that it came from a tortured animal. Slaughter alone is abuse. It's not a choice that I will respect, because there are so many other things you can eat besides animal flesh, dairy and eggs.
06-15-2015 11:28 AM
Gmountain
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Originally Posted by LedBoots View Post
Since you seem to have a low opinion of vegetarians and vegans, maybe someone else would be a better advocate.
Advocate? No. I would like to let people know what menu options are available at different restaurants, and if they taste good, are well prepared, and if the place has good service. I read a lot of restaurant reviews, but they never talk about veggie options available. I think it would be worth knowing. I would certianly like to know.

Why would you say I have a low opinion of vegetarians and vegans? Because I raise issues and ask questions? Because I say things that someone else might not agree with? Lighten up a little.
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I am not going to call the police for some immature jerk shoving bacon in my face. I told him and the others to reflect on how they would feel if someone did that to their mother. I certainly don't need the cops to help me wipe pig fat off my face.
Calling the cops is your choice, but if it wasn't enough to call the police, then it wasn't enough to be called a violent confrontation. But it was still a battery.
06-15-2015 11:20 AM
Ad Elie
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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
The point of view that it's acceptable to exploit and slaughter animals to eat their corpses isn't very common here because it's antithetical to the very philosophy of veg*nism. If you're interested in hearing arguments from that point of view, you can easily find them anywhere else on the internet or in the world at large. This forum is intended for veg*ns, and someone who is physically incapable of eating meat but would gladly do so again if he could, who talks about how lovingly he "harvested" animals, isn't a veg*n of any sort and doesn't belong here.
I would understand if somebody gets here after becoming veg* for health reason. It's a nice place to find recipes and social tips. Also a nice place to think about ethics and see how horrible animal factories are. Realizing it after becoming vegetarian just makes the switch more solid and helps leaning towards veganism.

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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
Veg*ns are a marginalized group and we face these violent counter-opinions on a daily basis. I don't think it's unreasonable to request one forum where we at least don't have to argue against murdering animals. Arguments within the veg*n philosophy? Sure. Arguments about unrelated topics? Absolutely. But please, if I have to explain to another "veg*n" that a head of cabbage doesn't feel pain, I'm going to explode.
I'm sorry most of you have troubles living in an omni society. I cope with it rather well and need social contacts too much to not make the effort. All vegetarians are not aware of what a sentient being is and some plants communicate with chemicals so, yes, sometimes a little explanation is necessary. Even for things that sound obvious to us. (for many people fish = no scream = vegetable)

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Originally Posted by varun View Post
Sure, and I being a part of the Veg*nism movement, naturally I'm sharing my views on the same & being here for over 2 years I've replied to many people, some seeking support, some asking doubts, some who just come here to feel like they belong. Not everyone can contribute the same way but when all views are combined the reasons to go vegan becomes natural.



That would be the general consensus of the forum.
Vegetarians might be more quiet than vegans here but still, they have a section so I'm not sure we can call it a consensus. We're in the compost heap, so be can find here vegans, vegetarians and other weirdoes.
06-15-2015 11:13 AM
LedBoots
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Originally Posted by Gmountain View Post
I'm thinking of asking the local paper to let me write a weekly vegetarian perspective restaurant review.
Since you seem to have a low opinion of vegetarians and vegans, maybe someone else would be a better advocate.

I am not going to call the police for some immature jerk shoving bacon in my face. I told him and the others to reflect on how they would feel if someone did that to their mother. I certainly don't need the cops to help me wipe pig fat off my face.
06-15-2015 09:35 AM
no whey jose
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Originally Posted by Gmountain View Post
I'm thinking of asking the local paper to let me write a weekly vegetarian perspective restaurant review.
That's a great idea! If it works, you should post your reviews here.
06-15-2015 09:10 AM
Gmountain
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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
To be fair, the people in my example were just kids. I went vegetarian at age nine!



This is true, but it's not insignificant-- and I've been noticing a trend toward vegetarianism among the greater public, so I'm optimistic that our philosophy is catching on, though I admit this might be wishful thinking.
I'm thinking of asking the local paper to let me write a weekly vegetarian perspective restaurant review.
06-15-2015 08:58 AM
no whey jose
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Originally Posted by Gmountain View Post
Wow. If someone ever did that to me, they would be lucky if they didn't get arrested or worse. I've never come across anyone like that.
To be fair, the people in my example were just kids. I went vegetarian at age nine!

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If we go with the 5% number, then it really is a peripheral voice.
This is true, but it's not insignificant-- and I've been noticing a trend toward vegetarianism among the greater public, so I'm optimistic that our philosophy is catching on, though I admit this might be wishful thinking.
06-15-2015 08:53 AM
Gmountain
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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
I was referring to the violence perpetrated against animals, although, like @LedBoots , I have also had meat literally shoved in my face.
Wow. If someone ever did that to me, they would be lucky if they didn't get arrested or worse. I've never come across anyone like that.
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You might be misunderstanding the meaning of the word "marginalized," which is "treated as insignificant or peripheral." It doesn't have anything to do with legal discrimination (although many marginalized groups also face legal discrimination, which I imagine is the source of your confusion.)
If we go with the 5% number, then it really is a peripheral voice.
06-15-2015 08:43 AM
no whey jose
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Originally Posted by Gmountain View Post
Violent counter opinons? Violent? Have you ever had a physical confrontation over what you are eating?

Marginalized? By whom? Don't you have the exact same rights as everyone else?
I was referring to the violence perpetrated against animals, although, like @LedBoots , I have also had meat literally shoved in my face.

You might be misunderstanding the meaning of the word "marginalized," which is "treated as insignificant or peripheral." It doesn't have anything to do with legal discrimination (although many marginalized groups also face legal discrimination, which I imagine is the source of your confusion.)
06-15-2015 08:36 AM
Gmountain
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Originally Posted by LedBoots View Post
A grown man tried to force a slice of bacon in my mouth with 5 others laughing at the table. I was a grown 45- year old woman minding my own business eating a bean burrito. They were coworkers and knew I was veg but I never talk about it at work and am not vocal about them eating cheeseburgers.. In a hospital cafeteria. So yes. I consider that violence and bullying.

Marginalized? Every 5 percent of the population is marginalized.
That sounds like a battery. Should have called the cops.
06-15-2015 08:06 AM
LedBoots
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Originally Posted by Gmountain View Post
Violent counter opinons? Violent? Have you ever had a physical confrontation over what you are eating?

Marginalized? By whom? Don't you have the exact same rights as everyone else?
A grown man tried to force a slice of bacon in my mouth with 5 others laughing at the table. I was a grown 45- year old woman minding my own business eating a bean burrito. They were coworkers and knew I was veg but I never talk about it at work and am not vocal about them eating cheeseburgers.. In a hospital cafeteria. So yes. I consider that violence and bullying.

Marginalized? Every 5 percent of the population is marginalized.
06-15-2015 06:15 AM
varun
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Originally Posted by Ad Elie View Post
Uh... I actually joined this forum to read what veg*s have to say, not especially because I wanted to spread my way of life.
Sure, and I being a part of the Veg*nism movement, naturally I'm sharing my views on the same & being here for over 2 years I've replied to many people, some seeking support, some asking doubts, some who just come here to feel like they belong. Not everyone can contribute the same way but when all views are combined the reasons to go vegan becomes natural.

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for the reason this thread has been started : erk seeing other people eat meat, that is not sexy at all.
That would be the general consensus of the forum.

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We don't all have the same motivation to be here, our differences makes the conversation richer. I personnaly like reading Tow's posts because they show a point of view that is not very common here.
I only said something quite obvious, the name of the website is Veggieboards, sure people play games and share their hobbies over here but in the end it is what it is, it advocates veg*nism. I may not be that good in English so pardon me but I only used the word "advocate", I didn't use words like enforce/ dictate/ bully / domineer / impose / tyrannize or any other such synonyms where the meaning would be that of veg*nism being forcefully imposed on people. In my limited experience of being a member here I've seen members wanting to run away from their families so that they may become vegan, some even wanting to shun society so that they may not be mocked. I feel a forum like this would help such people sort out their views & feelings so that they may learn to cope with external pressures/objections regarding their lifestyle, that is its true purpose and its well above any debates or enriching views.
06-15-2015 04:53 AM
rasitha.wijesekera
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Originally Posted by Gmountain View Post
Unless you are the gazelle.

of course, but compared to the gazelle, the pig, cow and the chicken in factory farms have a far more horrible life and death under humans.
06-15-2015 04:39 AM
Gmountain
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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
Veg*ns are a marginalized group and we face these violent counter-opinions on a daily basis..
Violent counter opinons? Violent? Have you ever had a physical confrontation over what you are eating?

Marginalized? By whom? Don't you have the exact same rights as everyone else?
06-15-2015 04:35 AM
Gmountain
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Originally Posted by rasitha.wijesekera View Post
Lions kill for territory, are they wrong? Ducks rape their females, are they wrong?

Also animals do not run factory farms which are far worse than a lion hunting a gazelle.
Unless you are the gazelle.
06-15-2015 04:29 AM
no whey jose
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Originally Posted by Ad Elie View Post
We don't all have the same motivation to be here, our differences makes the conversation richer. I personnaly like reading Tow's posts because they show a point of view that is not very common here.
The point of view that it's acceptable to exploit and slaughter animals to eat their corpses isn't very common here because it's antithetical to the very philosophy of veg*nism. If you're interested in hearing arguments from that point of view, you can easily find them anywhere else on the internet or in the world at large. This forum is intended for veg*ns, and someone who is physically incapable of eating meat but would gladly do so again if he could, who talks about how lovingly he "harvested" animals, isn't a veg*n of any sort and doesn't belong here. Veg*ns are a marginalized group and we face these violent counter-opinions on a daily basis. I don't think it's unreasonable to request one forum where we at least don't have to argue against murdering animals. Arguments within the veg*n philosophy? Sure. Arguments about unrelated topics? Absolutely. But please, if I have to explain to another "veg*n" that a head of cabbage doesn't feel pain, I'm going to explode.
06-15-2015 02:23 AM
Ad Elie
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Originally Posted by varun View Post
There are no extremes, political correctness is never present anywhere.. its each person following his/her own views and sugar-coating it. Debates are fine but we all have to remember that we have a single purpose on this forum, to advocate for veganism & vegetarianism. There's no point trying to segment ourselves based on motive, unity is strength.
Uh... I actually joined this forum to read what veg*s have to say, not especially because I wanted to spread my way of life. I did motivate changes in some of my friends/family way of eating but I didn't force it, except for my other half whom I strongly encouraged to not eat meat at home (now almost vegetarian) for the reason this thread has been started : erk seeing other people eat meat, that is not sexy at all.

We don't all have the same motivation to be here, our differences makes the conversation richer. I personnaly like reading Tow's posts because they show a point of view that is not very common here.
06-15-2015 01:30 AM
rasitha.wijesekera
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Originally Posted by Gmountain View Post
OK, now you are getting way out there. Humans eating humans is cannibalism. To say we use other animal species is common in the animal kingdom, and that includes us. Lions eat gazelles. They don't eat other lions? Are they wrong? Porpoises eat fish. Are they wrong? Humans eat meat? Is it wrong? It's not something I would do, but it's just as wrong to judge other by your standards, which even you have to admit, is pretty extreme.

Lions kill for territory, are they wrong? Ducks rape their females, are they wrong?

Also animals do not run factory farms which are far worse than a lion hunting a gazelle.
06-15-2015 01:16 AM
rasitha.wijesekera
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Originally Posted by Gmountain View Post
An egg is a good source of nutrition and is good for cooking other things. It does not kill a chicken to lay an egg, (or any other bird for that matter. My cockatiel used to lay eggs) A human egg is not the same as a chicken egg. It is not enclosed in a hard shell. It is not fresh. and, it is a human. Most humans do not take part in cannibalism.

Not eating eggs from a pet chicken makes no sense, since nothing dies when an egg is laid.

I agree with this. But the problem with eggs lies when they are produced at farms. Most eggs come from farms.
06-14-2015 09:11 PM
mecanna
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Originally Posted by Gmountain View Post
Les Miles eats some before every football game.
And this man's delusional good luck charm is a reason for everyone to eat grass clippings?
06-14-2015 05:06 PM
Gmountain
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Originally Posted by LedBoots View Post
And lawn grass is not edible to humans.
Les Miles eats some before every football game.
06-14-2015 05:05 PM
Gmountain
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No it isn't. It is like my asking you if you ate a tiny chicken egg. Did you even think of eating the egg of your caged pet, or did it not occur to you because it is weird and unnatural to eat a bird egg, no matter what kind. And lawn grass is not edible to humans.
No, I never thought of eating it. We thought it was cute, and it was really tiny. I never considered it was weird and unnatural to eat a bird egg, and I still think that it is. I don't think it is anymore weird and unnatural to eat a bird egg than it is to eat an artichoke, which is, you have to admit, a pretty strange looking item.
06-14-2015 04:53 PM
LedBoots
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No, I didn't. I was surprised to see it. I thought she was a male for 15 years. Have you ever seen a Cockatiel egg? They are tiny. We kept it for a while because it was cute.

Asking if I ate it is like me asking you if you ate any grass clippings when the lawn was mowed.
No it isn't. It is like my asking you if you ate a tiny chicken egg. Did you even think of eating the egg of your caged pet, or did it not occur to you because it is weird and unnatural to eat a bird egg, no matter what kind. And lawn grass is not edible to humans.
06-14-2015 11:59 AM
LeThieu92
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No one would care if I ate my cockatiel's egg either. What's your point?
I don't care. I just think eggs are gross. Gooey chicken secretions wraped in a hard shell isn't something I would like to put in my mouth. I'll take those grass clippings earlier mentioned anyday. Though I would be sure to check for dog droppings before going to town on my lawn salad hahahaha

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06-14-2015 07:43 AM
Gmountain
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Originally Posted by silva View Post
...and if you think they're similar because wild rice is type of grass it's still not a valid argument. No one cares if you eat grass clippings anyway
No one would care if I ate my cockatiel's egg either. What's your point?
06-14-2015 07:42 AM
Gmountain
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How is that similar?
A cockatiel is a bird and you're the one here saying it's okay to eat birds eggs because they lay them anyway. I don't know, but I would guess a cockatiels eggs have simialr nutrtion to chickens eggs

In many cultures, and fringe parts of modern cultures, woman will eat the placenta after giving birth because of it's nutrition value. We would find it very wrong if hospitals were found selling them to others.
I'm saying I have no desire to eat a cockatiel egg. That doesn't mean I don't like chicken eggs. There is nothing wrong with eating a cockatiel egg, if that's what you want to do, same as eating grass clippings, if that's what you want to do. Maybe they sell cockatiel eggs at the grocery store. I don't know, because I've never looked. They do sell quail eggs though, and I knew a lot of people growing up that ate duck eggs.
06-14-2015 07:22 AM
silva ...and if you think they're similar because wild rice is type of grass it's still not a valid argument. No one cares if you eat grass clippings anyway
06-14-2015 07:21 AM
silva
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Originally Posted by Gmountain View Post
No, I didn't. I was surprised to see it. I thought she was a male for 15 years. Have you ever seen a Cockatiel egg? They are tiny. We kept it for a while because it was cute.

Asking if I ate it is like me asking you if you ate any grass clippings when the lawn was mowed.
How is that similar?
A cockatiel is a bird and you're the one here saying it's okay to eat birds eggs because they lay them anyway. I don't know, but I would guess a cockatiels eggs have simialr nutrtion to chickens eggs

In many cultures, and fringe parts of modern cultures, woman will eat the placenta after giving birth because of it's nutrition value. We would find it very wrong if hospitals were found selling them to others.
06-14-2015 05:08 AM
custardpie
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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
Does something become a food product, by definition, the moment someone eats it? (Recipe ideas: spaghetti and "on the Ragu" sauce, Blood orange smoothie...)
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When will we start serving bloody mary in a vegan's mooncup ?
These are possibly my two most favourite comments I have ever read on this forum. Kudos to you guys!

Sorry, I don't actually have anything to add. It's all been said and probably in a more eloquent way than I could ever achieve. Also, cbf dealing with all the numbskulls.
06-13-2015 05:48 AM
Gmountain
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So, again, [I]did[/b] you eat the cockatiels' eggs?
No, I didn't. I was surprised to see it. I thought she was a male for 15 years. Have you ever seen a Cockatiel egg? They are tiny. We kept it for a while because it was cute.

Asking if I ate it is like me asking you if you ate any grass clippings when the lawn was mowed.
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