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06-10-2009 07:48 AM
Mycoolcats
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Originally Posted by MrFalafel View Post

Two girls take a shower in public and the whole world takes a minute to talk about the impact of meat on the environment. Brilliant.





I agree.. all the peta bashers need to go back to college to learn a little about media and publicity.... if your vegan or vegetarian or just generally care about animals, your on peta's side whether you know it or not.
06-03-2009 10:53 PM
guinnesshero
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Originally Posted by das_nut View Post

Showing in the street does increase the public attention an organization gets, but is it positive attention?



If I ran around naked downtown screaming "We shouldn't eat cows! We shouldn't eat cows!" while lighting off firecrackers, I'd make the news.



I doubt I'd convert anyone to veganism though.



exactly. thats the core of why i hate PETA. IMHO they do more harm by making us look like a bunch of nutters than they do good. Of course they have done some good, but to me its over shadowed by the damage they have done to the movement.
06-03-2009 06:13 PM
Princess Peach It's amazing how self-righteous these PETA types are yet they have very little sense of morals or public decency in other areas.
06-03-2009 05:25 PM
das_nut I've been smuggling water to Mars.



You wouldn't believe what the Martians pay for it.
06-03-2009 11:26 AM
catmando
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Originally Posted by Zephyria View Post

I did look at the picture.. and even if they only used that bag once (although wouldn't that make for quite a short demonstration?), I still think it's stupid to use up water while protesting against the fact that so much water is used up to feed animals killed for consumption.



Water is an invaluable resource and the amount of drinkable water left on/in the Earth is decreasing much too quickly. Every little bit that's wasted counts, and that's why I feel so strongly against this demonstration.



Where's all the water going? It must all still be here or is it being exported to other planets?
06-03-2009 11:21 AM
PlaybackGuru
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Originally Posted by Zephyria View Post

I did look at the picture.. and even if they only used that bag once (although wouldn't that make for quite a short demonstration?), I still think it's stupid to use up water while protesting against the fact that so much water is used up to feed animals killed for consumption.



Water is an invaluable resource and the amount of drinkable water left on/in the Earth is decreasing much too quickly. Every little bit that's wasted counts, and that's why I feel so strongly against this demonstration.



And if the water was recycled throughout the day????
06-03-2009 09:31 AM
Zephyria
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Originally Posted by PlaybackGuru View Post

You may want to take a look at the picture. They had a typical camp type shower.



I did look at the picture.. and even if they only used that bag once (although wouldn't that make for quite a short demonstration?), I still think it's stupid to use up water while protesting against the fact that so much water is used up to feed animals killed for consumption.



Water is an invaluable resource and the amount of drinkable water left on/in the Earth is decreasing much too quickly. Every little bit that's wasted counts, and that's why I feel so strongly against this demonstration.
06-02-2009 08:09 PM
PlaybackGuru
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Originally Posted by Zephyria View Post

Lol, talk about hypocrisy. Using up water for a demonstration while complaining about the world's water consumption seems more than a little stupid to me.



Once again, PETA has managed to make veggies look like idiots.



You may want to take a look at the picture. They had a typical camp type shower.
06-02-2009 03:33 PM
Zephyria Lol, talk about hypocrisy. Using up water for a demonstration while complaining about the world's water consumption seems more than a little stupid to me.



Once again, PETA has managed to make veggies look like idiots.
06-01-2009 10:34 PM
das_nut Strip clubs: Bastions for woman rights!
06-01-2009 10:20 PM
Skylark
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Originally Posted by das_nut View Post

Just think how much more quickly women's rights would have been obtained if they showered naked on the sidewalk!



Considering how scandalous bloomers were, I'd say showering would have garnered a lot of ..... attention ....
06-01-2009 10:14 PM
das_nut Also, I do consider some feminists nuts, at least partially so.



Consider Margarette Sanger. Great for women's rights, but at the same time, horribly, horribly racist.
06-01-2009 10:13 PM
das_nut Just think how much more quickly women's rights would have been obtained if they showered naked on the sidewalk!
06-01-2009 09:36 PM
Wishuponastar When women stood outside the White House with signs ridiculing the President for ignoring their rights, people thought they were nuts! Especially because it was during a war. Hmm...I'm pretty sure that I'm allowed to post my opinion on this forum because of those RADICAL FEMINISTS that supposedly brought women a bad name. Apparently, the radical protests did something to help the cause...
06-01-2009 08:40 AM
rainforests1
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Originally Posted by das_nut View Post

PETA's stunts run the risk of associating veg*nism with people who are considered nuts by the population at large.

There are more extreme groups in every movement I can think of. It's preferrable that most groups hand out pamphlets and such, but you also should have a group or two who does things similar to PETA. Otherwise animal rights would receive little media exposure and it wouldn't be discussed very often. You should have both as far as I am concerned.
05-31-2009 01:58 AM
Irizary
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Originally Posted by das_nut View Post

Being well-known is not necessarily a positive attribute.



It's positive in the example above in that your crazy stunt would be much more valuable if it got people to your website that extensively showed animal abuses in the meat, vivisection, fur, etc. industries. There's no doubt that for each of PETA's crazy stunts, people go to their website to see what it's all about.
05-31-2009 01:48 AM
das_nut Being well-known is not necessarily a positive attribute.



PETA's stunts run the risk of associating veg*nism with people who are considered nuts by the population at large.



People might observe a nutter for the humor value, but his or her ideas are unlikely to be considered seriously.
05-31-2009 01:36 AM
Irizary
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Originally Posted by das_nut View Post

Showing in the street does increase the public attention an organization gets, but is it positive attention?



If I ran around naked downtown screaming "We shouldn't eat cows! We shouldn't eat cows!" while lighting off firecrackers, I'd make the news.



I doubt I'd convert anyone to veganism though.



Would you also have an extremely well-known name attached to yourself, with an easy to find website where people were confronted with information about animal cruelty, and videos? Part of the reason for publicity is to get people to the website to look around and to learn.
05-30-2009 07:42 PM
das_nut Showing in the street does increase the public attention an organization gets, but is it positive attention?



If I ran around naked downtown screaming "We shouldn't eat cows! We shouldn't eat cows!" while lighting off firecrackers, I'd make the news.



I doubt I'd convert anyone to veganism though.
05-30-2009 10:44 AM
rainforests1
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Originally Posted by guinnesshero View Post

http://www.veganoutreach.org/ for example hand out pamphlets,booklets and such. None gets naked,wears kkk outfits, or makes comparisons between the meat industry and the holocaust. Sounds dull I know but atleast they appear as sane normal people which gives them more credibilty to the average person on the street.

It's better than doing nothing, but I don't think you'd get the media exposure PETA does.
05-30-2009 07:23 AM
PlaybackGuru
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Originally Posted by guinnesshero View Post

http://www.veganoutreach.org/ for example hand out pamphlets,booklets and such. None gets naked,wears kkk outfits, or makes comparisons between the meat industry and the holocaust. Sounds dull I know but atleast they appear as sane normal people which gives them more credibilty to the average person on the street.







And they also have no clear definition of the word Vegan.





And yes that was a mighty wind you blew last week



Every article or ad that get mentioned here are the ones that are outrageous, or over the top not the everyday things that are done by the majority of people who support Peta. I don't send them money, I don't agree with 100% of what they do, but I am not going to refuse to go to a sponsored event out of fear that some arm chair activist might get their eco-friendly panties in a bunch.
05-30-2009 03:47 AM
guinnesshero
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Originally Posted by PlaybackGuru View Post

These two people by "showering" on the streets did more than I assume a lot of people on this thread did for AR/AW this week.



And how do you know what Alot of people on this thread did last week? are you watching me in my bathroom?
05-30-2009 01:09 AM
guinnesshero http://www.veganoutreach.org/ for example hand out pamphlets,booklets and such. None gets naked,wears kkk outfits, or makes comparisons between the meat industry and the holocaust. Sounds dull I know but atleast they appear as sane normal people which gives them more credibilty to the average person on the street.
05-29-2009 08:12 PM
Wishuponastar
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Originally Posted by Irizary View Post

Money for what purpose?



How much does Ingrid Newkirk make? (it's public record)



I would assume that printing flyers, posters, t-shirts, etc (which they give out for free if you are part of their street team) cost money....
05-29-2009 08:03 PM
Irizary
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Originally Posted by SomebodyElse View Post

Fixed that for ya.



Money for what purpose?



How much does Ingrid Newkirk make? (it's public record)
05-29-2009 07:56 PM
SomebodyElse
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Originally Posted by Wishuponastar View Post

... PETA are actively seeking $$$

Fixed that for ya.
05-29-2009 06:12 PM
Wishuponastar
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Originally Posted by irizary View Post

the challenge to people who can't stop criticizing activism they don't like is to get out there and do activism you do like.



exactly!
05-29-2009 06:10 PM
Irizary It's not about "ends vs. means" for me, it's about "action vs. inaction." Even Gandhi said that it's better to do something (even something that he thought of as negative - violence), than to do nothing at all.



For me, as an activist, who sees that most people are profoundly unwilling to get out on the streets and do activism for animals, I support those who get up off their apathetic behinds and do something. In the end, there's no perfect activism, because different things work for different people at different times. For some people seeing a WhyVegan pamphlet will turn them veg. For other people a crazy protest will cause them to go to a website, at which point they may become veg; that same person might be someone who would have turned down a WhyVegan pamphlet on the street. For some, getting hassled for wearing fur will make them unwilling to buy it because they don't want the trouble, and talking to them about compassion does nothing at all; for others they just need to see a video and they'll never by fur again. For some people, demonstrations against them will make them give up torturing monkeys for good (unfortunately I haven't really seen another way that activists have affected vivisectors so directly - compassion or justice for animals doesn't mean a thing to them). In a struggle as big as this, it will take a lot of different strategies. PETA's or some other group's strategies and beliefs don't seriously affect me or my ability to advocate for animals - I do my own activism.



I've also seen that no matter what you do as an activist, someone will criticize it because it's not being done to their satisfaction. I think that's part of the reason why activists burn out - that kind of easy infighting, complaining that keeps people focused on PETA and other activists rather than on the actual animal abusing industries. I've seen objectively successful activism in which the armchair activists still found something to criticize. Not that any group is above criticism, but the complaining about other activists seems obsessional and simplistic (re. PETA, 'because they've done something I don't agree with they are all bad - they're just like nazis'). The challenge to people who can't stop criticizing activism they don't like is to get out there and do activism you do like.
05-29-2009 05:31 PM
Wishuponastar
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Originally Posted by PlaybackGuru View Post

Yeah hanging out with like minded people and informing others about the horrors of circuses was boring, although I was mistaken, a few people were dressed as clowns....



It was as fun as the always are.



I am in the minority here, I feel Peta serves a purpose. Are they 100% correct in everything the do or say, no. But they do a hell of a lot.



I'm sure that had to be horrible! I didn't know PETA protests were that bad!

Everybody here should immediately start protesting the PETA protests. *sarcasm*



Seriously though, you are right. They may not make the best decisions about certain things and they may have "radical" protesting ideas, but they are one of the most cited sources on here...
05-29-2009 05:13 PM
PlaybackGuru
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Originally Posted by Wishuponastar View Post

damn, i'm sorry...that must have been boring



Yeah hanging out with like minded people and informing others about the horrors of circuses was boring, although I was mistaken, a few people were dressed as clowns....



It was as fun as the always are.



I am in the minority here, I feel Peta serves a purpose. Are they 100% correct in everything the do or say, no. But they do a hell of a lot.
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