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06-18-2006 01:10 PM
froggythefrog
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Originally Posted by animallover7249 View Post

has anyone else noticed alot of old threads being bumped lately?



Yes, and this is not a problem. But thanks for noticing.
06-18-2006 12:34 PM
GhostUser has anyone else noticed alot of old threads being bumped lately?
06-16-2006 03:28 PM
troub crap. I better stop working out. Whatever will I do without protien from meat.



OHNOES! MY MUSCKELS!!! THEY SHRINK!!
06-16-2006 02:37 PM
misq17 This thread is three years old so the problem is probably solved
10-15-2003 09:05 AM
GhostUser Tyrosine is not an essential amino acid because it can be synthesized by the body from Phenylalanine, which is an essential amino acid. Phenylalanine can be found in just about any vegetable, nuts and legumes. Only people who suffer from phenylketonuria would have problems synthesizing tyrosine from phenylalanine due to a deficiency in the enzyme that catalyzes this reaction. These people would have to limit their phenylalanine intake while increasing their tyrosine intake.



Really there are only 6 essential amino acids that the body cannot synthesize but these AAs can easily be found in many vegetable and legume sources.



I have a degree in Biochemistry and like to think that I know a bit about what the body does and doesn't need from outside sources. It really bothers me to see things like this flyer that completely give the general public wrong information only to serve that person's hidden agenda.
10-14-2003 08:53 PM
Thalia Most school "nurses" aren't nurses at all and need few qualifications other than being able to call a kids parents so they can pick the kid up from school.



Mskedi- good idea in providing info from the ADA. I would also look at the other materials they have out. Who knows, maybe there is other fishy stuff in there, too.
10-14-2003 08:11 PM
Michael I'm surprised it's so blatantly biased and based only upon one person's opinion.
10-14-2003 07:21 PM
Mskedi
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Originally Posted by Lothar M Kirsch View Post

Here are the results of some research in the USDA nutrient database Rel. 13:

Spagetti, unenriched contains 0.79 g of tyrosine/100 Cal, pretzels, hard, plain 0,63 g/100 Cal., and lamb, ground, raw 0,43 g/100 Cal. Convince the school-nurse with these facts or better the dean!



Thanks.



Grades are due this week, so I'm putting my letter off to this coming weekend --too much paperwork! And I've shown a bunch of coworkers at this point... I'm not the only one who's livid.
10-14-2003 09:46 AM
veganinohio What age group is this pamphlet written for? Obviously not high school students or lower. Is the author trying to win over readers by using confusing arguments and medical jargon? "You're just too dumb to understand, trust me, I'm a nurse."



I'm not aware of any B12 deficiency in vegETARIAN diets. The vegetarians I know eat loads of animal products.
10-14-2003 08:52 AM
Lothar M Kirsch Here are the results of some research in the USDA nutrient database Rel. 13:

Spagetti, unenriched contains 0.79 g of tyrosine/100 Cal, pretzels, hard, plain 0,63 g/100 Cal., and lamb, ground, raw 0,43 g/100 Cal. Convince the school-nurse with these facts or better the dean!
10-13-2003 04:29 PM
Loki
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Originally Posted by Kurmudgeon View Post

It's obviously the lack of meat in our diets.



It must be down to a protein deficiency.
10-13-2003 04:18 PM
Kurmudgeon
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Originally Posted by Loki View Post

I'm worried that you guys weren't aware of it.



It's obviously the lack of meat in our diets.
10-13-2003 04:07 PM
Loki And remember kids, five hamburgers equals two brocollis plus three potatoes and a can of beans, unless you take the integers of each bean to represent a vector on a 3D graph. Then you draw three consecutive cosine curves and note the intersections on each. You then take the mean value of each of these intersections to represent a co-ordinate. You can then take this co-ordinate, subtract six. Divide by two, and then find the cube root. This figure equals the worth of the food in hambergers. Multiply by three to see its worth in steaks.



Now scimitar here forgot to take it down to the lowest common multiple. He represented this equation as a figure of 2 steaks representing 32 brocollis. he should take it to mean that 1 steak eqals sixteen brocollis. Though he is technically right with thirty two, it makes it easier to take it down to the lowest common multiple thingy.



This equation is standard practice. I'm worried that you guys weren't aware of it. It's the standard way for converting values of omnivore foods into vegetarian foods.
10-13-2003 04:34 AM
1vegan
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Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post

You can live off of entirely vegtables, but you'd have to eat a lot more than you would meat. Here's a scale...

2 steaks=32 broccolis





You've got your sources messed up.........
10-12-2003 04:35 AM
Mskedi
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Originally Posted by Oatmeal View Post

Well then she's doing something that she is not paid for, she's not educated in, and therefore something she should not do.



Yeah.

But I respect the idea of having a resource for health-related info. She should just be sure that that information is reliable. The flyer on knee injuries that I picked up, for instance, had references and explained causes and had prevention tips. Not a bad thing.



A couple of the students in the club that I sponsor are vegans. I'll have to show them the flyer this week and see what they think. It's likely they'll want to write something, too.
10-12-2003 12:21 AM
Oatmeal Well then she's doing something that she is not paid for, she's not educated in, and therefore something she should not do.
10-11-2003 11:06 PM
soilman Oatmeal writes

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She is severely misinformed about something she is paid to be good at.

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Not really. A school nurse is paid to take care of first aid and to recognize serious illness that warrants medical attention, and or sending the student home, away from the school.



Neither school nurses, nor school doctors, are paid to be dieticians. School dieticians, who are on the kitchen staff, are paid to have dietary knowledge. A degree in nursing or medicine requires only minimla dietary knowledge, and very little knowledge of practical matters in relation to diet. Nurses and physicians are taught to recognize and treat disorders, and nurses are trained in caring for people who need help caring for themselves, because they have a disorder; nurses are not educated and trained in how to take care of normal functioning -- such as what to feed people. Tho they often seem to like to make official pronouncements, as if they were. But really this is the area of expertise of dieticians, not physicians and nurses.
10-11-2003 08:33 PM
Oatmeal
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Originally Posted by American View Post

While you all know by know about me and my Omni ways

I can say that i have aways had an understanding of what was printed with in that flyer.



Yeah, the but that nurse is supposed to be a professional. She is severely misinformed about something she is paid to be good at.



If I would do my profession like she is doing hers, I'd be out of my job tomorrow.
10-11-2003 08:29 PM
Oatmeal
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Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post

You can live off of entirely vegtables, but you'd have to eat a lot more than you would meat. Here's a scale...

2 steaks=32 broccolis



What does that refer to? Calories? Protein? Fat? Carbs? Calcium?



And who are you answering to? Who said anything about eating vegetables only??
10-11-2003 07:58 PM
soilman "Due to a blood sugar/adrenal stress syndrome the patient tends to develop a chronic ileocecal valve syndrome (which is the valve that connects the small and large intestines). This ICV syndrome can lead to numerous far reaching problems in the body."



Goodness gracious, yes, ileocecal valve syndrome can be aggravated by perturbations of blood sugar stasis and adrenal stress, but the primary cause of icvs is low-frequency sound waves produced by matter-phase-shifted (and thus not perceptible with normal vision) flying saucers. Kevin Bacon did a lot of research on this, but most of it is classified as military secret, except a small amount that did manage to leak out to the motion picture industry.
10-11-2003 01:11 PM
Mskedi Awesome replies, thanks.



I don't know if she is, in fact, the author of the flyer. It isn't signed or anything (in keeping with its complete lack of referecnces), and it's just a typed sheet -- no graphics, etc. This nurse is new to our school and it could very well be a leftover from the old nurse's regime (she wasn't popular ), though I never noticed it before. Either way, she is distributing it in her office and she should be responsible for the information that she gives to our students.



I was planning on pulling info from the ADA, thanks. That was the most respected/unbiased source I could think of. Are there any other organizations, science, or health journals I should be digging through? I'd like to make sure I come across as well-informed rather than, um, pissed. It's been nearly nine years since I went veg, and it's become such a habitual part of my life that I've long-since stopped researching on it, though I do still have books in my home. Hmm.



I read it to my (omni) little brother last night and he just about died laughing. That's pretty much been the response of everyone I've read it to -- I doubt it will be hard to remove the flyer fromt the nurse's office with reactions like that. But I want to make sure it's replaced with something balanced.



As far as telling the principal -- that would depend on the nurse's response. I'd like to start off with a friendly letter. If she chooses to keep the flyer, I'll CC the principal, but I'd rather this not be an attack. Most of her other flyers contain references -- this one certainly sticks out.



I've got to do my real work today, but I'm hoping to have a draft of something tomorrow evening. I'll share when I do. Thanks.
10-11-2003 12:44 PM
epski
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Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post

You can live off of entirely vegtables, but you'd have to eat a lot more than you would meat. Here's a scale...

2 steaks=32 broccolis

That's barely enough one broccoli for one meal!
10-11-2003 12:18 PM
soilman I read somewhere that NASA has plans for recycling materials into food for astronauts, in outer space, and their plan is completely plant-based. (1) space-limitations make cultivating food-animals abord space vehicles and space stations impractical; it is an inefficient use of resources; (2) they believe a veg diet should be totally sufficient. (3) They are even rejecting animal tissue culture as impractical and inefficient way to create proteins; they are going for entirely plant-provided proteins to feed astronauts, in regard to food produced in space (as opposed to produced on earth and brought from earth to space).
10-11-2003 12:13 PM
soilman There's that position statement by the American Dietetic Assoc, that was linked to in another veggieboards thread. The ADA is NOT a veg org, so their position that a properly thought out vegan diet should be quite safe, should carry more weight with nurse than info provided by a pro-vegetarian org.
10-11-2003 10:01 AM
Scimitar You can live off of entirely vegtables, but you'd have to eat a lot more than you would meat. Here's a scale...

2 steaks=32 broccolis
10-11-2003 09:02 AM
Artichoke47 Maybe you should ask this lady what makes her think she's qualified as an expert on vegetarianism.



Anyway, I've heard that people who are overcoming certain forms of cancer are advised to eat a vegan or vegetarian diet because the body has just enough of what it needs (instead of loads of extra calories, fat) and the cancerous cells can't survive, don't have enough sustenance.



I think it would be awesome if you "put her in her place."
10-11-2003 05:42 AM
dvmarie Is this handout written by her? (kind of sounds like it - but maybe not) If it is - I would ask her to state her sources (which are probably old if she has them documented at all).



I don't know what I would do if I were a student, but i know what I'd do if it was my daughter's school nurse. I would ask her if she keeps up with current research etc. I'd probably do some homework to specifically challenge what was written in the handout - and give her some books/websites/etc. to reference.



www.pcrm.org is a good website that I email to people who are "suspicious" of vegetarianism.
10-10-2003 11:02 PM
Kurmudgeon I bet she gets a nice little bonus from the meat industry..... someone should look into it.
10-10-2003 09:47 PM
Kiz Personally, I would take it to the principal. Your school should not be providing such biased pamphlets on anything like this.



"All in all in my experience, vegetarians tend to be the poorest responding patients I see. I do everything I can to convince them to eat some lean red meat daily in the rarest form possible. I have seen dramatic improvements in all kinds of conditions from those who comply to what I call a common sense diet."



Is she doing this to vegetarians who practice thier lifestyle for religious reasons? That is just not on.
10-10-2003 09:42 PM
soilman Mmm. I also heard the head surgeon commenting to the assistants and the assistant surgeon, that I was "so skinny" and my lack of fatty tissue in my groin made his work easier. Apparently lower amounts of fatty tissue make it easier to identify the ileoinguinal, ileohypogastric, and genitial branch of the genital-femoral nerve, and easier to isolate them, and also easier to identify and isolate blood vessels, and thus makes for less post-operative bleeding and bruising, I guess, and from what I can figure out from their conversation, makes dissecting the hernia sack from the surrounding tissues, much easier, too, which means the whole operation is less traumatic, and the patient heals faster.
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