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11-29-2008 08:49 AM
broccolichick
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Originally Posted by Digger View Post


Strict Vegetarian (diet only, no animal products of any kind)



That describes me. I follow a strict vegan diet now, but I correct people when they try to call me a 'vegan'. I still have a leather purse and leather shoes (second-hand from family). The hand soap that my mother buys for the house likely has animal ingredients. I have enough trouble affording purchasing food for myself, let alone all vegan toiletries and accessories to replace my leather stuff. I wear my mother's and grandmother's second-hand (mostly leather) stuff and right now that works for me just fine.
11-29-2008 06:36 AM
CrunchyMama I consider myself a vegetarian. I don't eat the flesh of any living animal. I do eat cheese, milk and eggs in things. For instance portabello ravioli with ricotta, or pancakes (has milk & egg)! Thats all! I thought a Vegan was someone who does not consume ANYTHING that comes from an animal whatsoever.
11-26-2008 08:35 PM
bearsy A coworker of mine is vegan in diet (for health reasons) but is not really strongly tied to animal rights issues, so she doesn't live a vegan lifestyle otherwise---wears leather, etc. She does say "strict vegetarian" out of respect to vegans, who might be offended to hear her calling herself a vegan, but if people need more clarification about what she can or can't say, she will say "vegan" so that people know that that means no eggs or dairy, either. And she doesn't mind if there is honey in things.



Also, I wanted to say that some committed vegans DO still wear leather, at least at first. Some people feel that if the animal had to give it's life for their shoes or jacket then they will honor that animal's sacrific by getting as much use out of it as possible. Of course many (most?) vegans would donate their leather/wool, etc. stuff because they would feel uncomfortable still using such things, but still, that situation does sometimes occur.
11-25-2008 09:31 AM
Twiggy_Mar
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Originally Posted by dormouse View Post

Good for you! Stay strong and resist temptation! It gets easier.



That's actually not my cat, I pulled that picture off LOLcats. My cat looks kinda like that though and does like to hang out on my keyboard.



Oh alright, it's still the cutest thing though



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Originally Posted by Ilurvebroccoli View Post

I am doing it for ethical reasons, but still wear some leather, for horsebackriding. My boots, chaps, saddle, bridle, ect are all leather because the non leather kind are cheap and don't work as well. I, personally HATE labels. And I think people can mix up any version of vegetarianism/veganism they want, Its a persons decision to do so, so they should be able to pick and choose the parts they want to abide by.



Thats my veiw.



I have a leather jacket and yes it is an individual choice. I suppose labels are around to make things easier for people, it's just that sometimes we get a bit caught up in it all
11-25-2008 08:59 AM
Ilurvebroccoli
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Originally Posted by rejey View Post

That's interesting, I didn't know vegetarian was only dietary. If they're doing it for ethical reasons it seems a bit contradictory to not want to put the cow in your mouth but not care about wearing it; the cow was used and died either way.



I am doing it for ethical reasons, but still wear some leather, for horsebackriding. My boots, chaps, saddle, bridle, ect are all leather because the non leather kind are cheap and don't work as well. I, personally HATE labels. And I think people can mix up any version of vegetarianism/veganism they want, Its a persons decision to do so, so they should be able to pick and choose the parts they want to abide by.



Thats my veiw.
11-23-2008 10:02 PM
dormouse
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Originally Posted by Twiggy_Mar View Post

Yeah okay I get it, I know of no vegetarians where I live and I haven't told anyone (other than my boyfriend) of my choice as I'm fairly new to this so I don't want the putting down of "oh you'll crack in a day or two, you'll see a sandwich or sumthin". But I won't eat gummy worms and I won't be purchasing any more real leather. I just think people add "strict" and "very strict" because omnies, who just haven't cared enough to find out more can't understand that vegetarianism is kind of like a religion (mostly referring to Christianity here), there are so many ways of living it that is right to that person



Random : Yay I just had mango



edit : your cat is the cutest thing btw, it had my boyfriend go "aww cute kitteh"





Good for you! Stay strong and resist temptation! It gets easier.



That's actually not my cat, I pulled that picture off LOLcats. My cat looks kinda like that though and does like to hang out on my keyboard.
11-23-2008 03:50 PM
vigilant20
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Originally Posted by Digger View Post

^^ nice post



Personally, I don't even like the title 'strict vegetarian' because it's just one more label to confuse the hell out of meat-eaters (and apparently us also). People seem to want extra credit because they do more than 'that guy over there'. It's really not that complicated. You're either vegetarian or you're not. You're either vegan or you're not.



I myself am 100% dairy free and eat very few eggs. I'm still simply a vegetarian - not - Mr. Extra-Special Vegetarian Who Eats No Dairy and Very Few Eggs and Deserves a Gold Star and Extra Cookies and a Special Label So That Everyone Knows I'm Doing More Than That Guy Over There.



Let's not get too precious with the labeling.



If you're not vegan, you're either vegetarian or an omni.



My two cents anyway.



Dig



Actually vegan is an "Mr. Extra-Special Vegetarian" label already. You are either vegetarian or you are not.
11-23-2008 03:19 PM
Twiggy_Mar
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Originally Posted by WonderRandy View Post

The word you're looking for is "schmegan". Do a search for it on the boards, and you'll see that this discussion has been around for a long time...



schmegan ey ? hmmm... *gets a "Hello I'm..." badge*
11-23-2008 03:02 PM
WonderRandy The word you're looking for is "schmegan". Do a search for it on the boards, and you'll see that this discussion has been around for a long time...
11-23-2008 01:37 PM
Twiggy_Mar
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Originally Posted by dormouse View Post

I think you will be called a strict vegetarian if you go beyond not eating meat. Someone accused me of being strict because I wouldn't eat a gummy worm and I won't buy leather.



Yeah okay I get it, I know of no vegetarians where I live and I haven't told anyone (other than my boyfriend) of my choice as I'm fairly new to this so I don't want the putting down of "oh you'll crack in a day or two, you'll see a sandwich or sumthin". But I won't eat gummy worms and I won't be purchasing any more real leather. I just think people add "strict" and "very strict" because omnies, who just haven't cared enough to find out more can't understand that vegetarianism is kind of like a religion (mostly referring to Christianity here), there are so many ways of living it that is right to that person



Random : Yay I just had mango



edit : your cat is the cutest thing btw, it had my boyfriend go "aww cute kitteh"
11-23-2008 11:17 AM
dormouse I think you will be called a strict vegetarian if you go beyond not eating meat. Someone accused me of being strict because I wouldn't eat a gummy worm and I won't buy leather.
11-23-2008 07:23 AM
Digger ^^ nice post



Personally, I don't even like the title 'strict vegetarian' because it's just one more label to confuse the hell out of meat-eaters (and apparently us also). People seem to want extra credit because they do more than 'that guy over there'. It's really not that complicated. You're either vegetarian or you're not. You're either vegan or you're not.



I myself am 100% dairy free and eat very few eggs. I'm still simply a vegetarian - not - Mr. Extra-Special Vegetarian Who Eats No Dairy and Very Few Eggs and Deserves a Gold Star and Extra Cookies and a Special Label So That Everyone Knows I'm Doing More Than That Guy Over There.



Let's not get too precious with the labeling.



If you're not vegan, you're either vegetarian or an omni.



My two cents anyway.



Dig
11-23-2008 06:34 AM
ashlend ^^ lol!



I know I do more in many ways than the lacto-ovo benchmark would require but personally, I don't feel comfortable describing myself as a strict vegetarian, since that, to me, describes someone who eats no dairy or eggs (as was posted on the previous page.) I think "strict vegetarian" is understood differently by the average layperson than it is on VB, though. People in real life have called me a strict vegetarian for not eating fish.
11-22-2008 12:26 PM
Digger
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Originally Posted by Twiggy_Mar View Post

maybe someone who feels that calling someone like that strict, could just add "very" to the title?

Ha ha!



"Are you vegetarian?"



"Oh yes. I'm VERY vegetarian!"



11-22-2008 11:59 AM
Twiggy_Mar
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Originally Posted by thalestral View Post

Not really, it's just a catch all for more than your average vegetarian. Great descriptor for those who either do more than they "need" or are approaching veganism



maybe someone who feels that calling someone like that strict, could just add "very" to the title ? ha ha
11-22-2008 11:51 AM
thalestral
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Originally Posted by Digger View Post

Kinda takes the meaning out of 'strict' then doesn't it?



Not really, it's just a catch all for more than your average vegetarian. Great descriptor for those who either do more than they "need" or are approaching veganism
11-22-2008 07:50 AM
cakeies
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Originally Posted by ashlend View Post


I call myself a vegetarian. I don't eat any meat or meat byproducts like chicken stock or gelatin. I eat a relatively small amount of eggs and dairy (I don't use either one in my cooking at home, but sometimes succumb when I am out or at someone else's house.) I don't always check the source of the rennet in my cheese when I am out. If the only otherwise vegetarian entree on the menu has questionable cheese in it, I will eat it. I don't consider myself any less of a vegetarian for that, but I appreciate that some here may disagree.

Ash



This describes me as well... I'm very rarely around other vegetarians and get dragged to unveggie friendly restaurants quite often. If my only choice is cheese I'll take it. This is the only time my diet may include a product that could be derived from the actual animal. I still consider myself a vegetarian though
11-22-2008 03:45 AM
Twiggy_Mar
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Originally Posted by mbellek View Post

You know, I kinda just posted about this in a thread on the vegan board... I think there needs to be something in-between vegetarian & vegan...



For example, my dietary habits probably technically fall under the category of "lacto/ovo-vegetarian" because I'm not 100% unwilling to eat foods with dairy or eggs in them. I'd say these foods only make up about 5% of my overall diet, but most vegans would crucify me if I called myself vegan -- even though I put considerable effort into ensuring that the non-edible products I buy don't contain animal ingredients & aren't tested on animals. I jokingly call myself a "flexible vegan" sometimes, but I wish there were an actual WORD for it.



I also check the ingredients of all the stuff I eat (even the spice rack gets a thorough read-through) to make sure that no animal products (that I remember off the top of my head lol, there are so many E's out there) in the product. I can understand why some vegans would snap at someone calling themselves vegan without actually adhering to the rules vegans go by. I understand it, because these people go through a lot of difficulty because of their ethics and it's like when people call themselves vegetarian but still consume fish and chicken ("cos it's not meat you know!" whatever) - this will just cause confusion. What I don't really like is when the very "high and mighty" vegans start giving you **** and making you feel bad for not being totally abstinent of animal products. Not everyone want to depart with their beloved and departed gran's old fur coat even if they never wear it. That being said I want to point out that I respect vegans imensly (can't spell that right lol).



I just feel that this stereotype vegetarians and vegans get, saying that they're all righteous and preachy people are incorrect but has to come from somewhere. I know that I would never start moaning and *****ing to mum saying "do we have to eat this fermented animal carcass??" knowing she's worked hard to feed her family for the past hour and that's just very ungrateful.



We just need to make it clear to people: Vegetarian is a dietary preference that varies slightly from person to person, like Ashlend will eat cheese but she prefers to avoid it. Some other vegetarians have vowed never to touch the stuff ever again. Vegan is a lifestyle where they follow the "strictest" form of vegetarian but also incorporate this avoidance of animal parts and their biproducts in their lifestyle (I still think giving a vegan **** for their car seats is out of line though).



Thanks for everyone who helped me I <3 VB
11-21-2008 11:32 PM
GhostUser
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Originally Posted by codemonkey View Post

Some vegetarians avoid leather but it's not part of the definition of vegetarian.



Very True...I am a Veggie and I dont wear Leather or Fur anything animal based and I dont eat Gelatin and stuff like that...I call Myself a Strict Vegetarian.



Peace Love and Happiness

Please Recycle...Go Green!!..Cause Green Is Sexy!!



Jenn
11-21-2008 06:14 PM
sb729 }i{
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Originally Posted by Digger View Post

I've heard these three terms used:



Vegetarian (diet only, may consume eggs and/or dairy)

Strict Vegetarian (diet only, no animal products of any kind)

Vegan (diet + lifestyle, no animal products of any kind)



Oh..yeh, that does sound familiar now that you mention it. I'm glad there's a somewhat of a differential....b/c there can be a huge range from just not eating meat, to not eating any animal by products, and rarely eggs/dairy (me).
11-21-2008 04:55 PM
pinkwolf
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Originally Posted by icreep heather View Post

From: http://www.vegsoc.org/info/definitions.html







From: http://www.vegansociety.com/newsroom...lugin/faqs/1/2





Not to sound like a broken record



This was my understanding as well.
11-21-2008 12:01 PM
ashlend
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Originally Posted by Digger View Post

I've heard these three terms used:



Vegetarian (diet only, may consume eggs and/or dairy)

Strict Vegetarian (diet only, no animal products of any kind)

Vegan (diet + lifestyle, no animal products of any kind)



I agree with these definitions.



I call myself a vegetarian. I don't eat any meat or meat byproducts like chicken stock or gelatin. I eat a relatively small amount of eggs and dairy (I don't use either one in my cooking at home, but sometimes succumb when I am out or at someone else's house.) I don't always check the source of the rennet in my cheese when I am out. If the only otherwise vegetarian entree on the menu has questionable cheese in it, I will eat it. I don't consider myself any less of a vegetarian for that, but I appreciate that some here may disagree.



I don't buy any clothing, bags, shoes or other wearing apparel that contains wool or leather or anything like that, although I still have some of these items from before I became a vegetarian. I don't buy any toiletries that have been tested on animals, and most of my toiletries are free of animal ingredients as well.



So... "vegetarian" fits for me, at least in my mind. Labels are always imperfect but at least they give us a place to start.



Ash
11-21-2008 11:48 AM
Digger
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Originally Posted by thalestral View Post

Strict vegetarian can stand for various combinations that fall in between vegetarian and vegan

Kinda takes the meaning out of 'strict' then doesn't it?



One thing I've gleaned from reading this thread, is that we can never be upset with meat-eaters, waiters, waitresses for not knowing what vegetarian/vegan means, because apparently lots of vegetarians are confused as well.



11-21-2008 11:05 AM
thalestral Strict vegetarian can stand for various combinations that fall in between vegetarian and vegan
11-21-2008 10:52 AM
Digger I've heard these three terms used:



Vegetarian (diet only, may consume eggs and/or dairy)

Strict Vegetarian (diet only, no animal products of any kind)

Vegan (diet + lifestyle, no animal products of any kind)
11-21-2008 10:20 AM
Fromper I usually just go with "lactose intolerant vegetarian". It's true, too. I refuse to tolerate the cow abuse that goes into generating lactose for human consumption. Oh, and it makes my stomach hurt, too.



--Fromper

11-21-2008 06:53 AM
Blobbenstein strictish vegetarian.
11-21-2008 06:40 AM
aminahc1
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Originally Posted by sb729 }i{ View Post

I agree. I don't eat eggs or drink milk "straight", and do my best to avoid any animal by-products. The foods that do contain the lacto/ovo only make up a very small percent of my diet as well. I know I'm not vegan, but I do check labels on everything to make sure there is no gelatin, rennet, enzymes whatever that are animal derived.



I thought up until now that all vegetarians did that? (as far as not consuming anything that is a by-product ingredient....) I take it that is not the case? Do some vegetarians simply just not eat meat and that's it? For example, fries that have the beef by-product, I avoid. Is that typical of vegan only? I thought both vegan and vegetarian would not eat that?

I guess I am surprised to think, or rather just assumed.





I agree. Where's the term for that, a person who doesn't really eat eggs or meat or milk on purpose but isn't a vegan?
11-21-2008 12:28 AM
Blobbenstein what about 'vergan', ie verging on vegan.
11-21-2008 12:22 AM
bluegold
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Originally Posted by PlaybackGuru View Post

But if they were doing it for ethical reasons, would they still drink milk, eat eggs or cheese?



Depends on your concept of "ethical" they could be lacto for karmic reasons .
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