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08-13-2008 01:36 PM
Coney god, that's awful!! How can a little kid do that?



He'll feel terrible when he's 22 years old. Or he'll be a gun nut...



I knew a kid in elemetary school who would take firecrackers and cats and...well...

and he was in 2nd grade. It made my sister cry to hear what he'd do to cats.
08-11-2008 06:45 AM
guinnesshero well thank you
08-10-2008 04:05 PM
schannybaby
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Originally Posted by guinnesshero View Post

No correctional officer and no im not a liberal. just because im vegan doesnt make me a liberal. To be honest im more in the middle.



guinness, you're my favorite.
08-10-2008 03:39 PM
whyiveg wowzers thats so insane. didn't something like that happen on butterfly effect but with a dog? i always am more upset about animals being abused or hurt, like the rottweilers in dark night, than i am about people in movies.
08-10-2008 09:52 AM
gillibean
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Originally Posted by Eclipse27 View Post

Maybe not locking up, but he certainly needs some form of time out.



This boy needs serious therapy, not "time out". He might be sent to a group home but I'm not sure if that's good or bad.
08-09-2008 03:01 PM
Eclipse27
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Originally Posted by Tablaqueen View Post

The kid needs help. Now, before he gets any worse. Obviously he is not being taught right from wrong or compassion for others in the home, so he needs proper care and help and presumably the parents need it as well. That's the only way. Locking him up won't help.



Maybe not locking up, but he certainly needs some form of time out.
08-09-2008 02:59 PM
Eclipse27
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Originally Posted by guinnesshero View Post

I thought the point was that your talking out of your a$$.





If you want to take the easy way out.
08-09-2008 04:06 AM
Tablaqueen The kid needs help. Now, before he gets any worse. Obviously he is not being taught right from wrong or compassion for others in the home, so he needs proper care and help and presumably the parents need it as well. That's the only way. Locking him up won't help.
08-08-2008 11:22 PM
gillibean Love the comparison! It's good one.
08-08-2008 11:18 PM
*AHIMSA* Using the term "retarded" is about as PC as using the "N" word. Just a little FYI. It's pretty much offensive, anyway you look at it.
08-08-2008 10:59 PM
guinnesshero
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Originally Posted by Eclipse27 View Post

The point, from earlier, was that the kid is old enough to know that what he was doing was wrong. And I believe that when he said "retarded", he was encompassing psychological conditions.





I thought the point was that your talking out of your a$$.
08-08-2008 10:37 PM
Eclipse27
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Originally Posted by sarahjayn1980 View Post


If a child doesn't know its unkind to kill cats, he or she probably won't make the connection between certain liquids and their combustability.



A group of kids poured lighter fluid on it, and proceeded to light it on fire.



I doubt it was just coincidence.
08-08-2008 10:36 PM
Eclipse27 The point, from earlier, was that the kid is old enough to know that what he was doing was wrong. And I believe that when he said "retarded", he was encompassing psychological conditions.
08-08-2008 08:28 PM
Cissy
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Originally Posted by *AHIMSA* View Post

Wow. Crippling ignorance, righteous indignation, sanctimony...this thread has it *all*!!!



srsly
08-08-2008 07:51 PM
gillibean Yummy!
08-08-2008 07:45 PM
*AHIMSA* Sure! I make a killer nutritional yeast "hot wing" style sauce... Goes GREAT on popcorn.
08-08-2008 07:42 PM
gillibean Want some popcorn Ahimsa?
08-08-2008 07:39 PM
*AHIMSA* Wow. Crippling ignorance, righteous indignation, sanctimony...this thread has it *all*!!!
08-08-2008 07:19 PM
Kiz
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Originally Posted by Eclipse27 View Post

The point remains.



Err... how does the point remain if you just got proven wrong?
08-08-2008 05:22 PM
gillibean
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Originally Posted by sarahjayn1980 View Post

Oh-kaay . . . how so?



- - - -



In any event, I'd like to point out that from my experience with mentally handicapped children in this age range, this behavior would not be a plausible expectation of their limited mental development. If a child doesn't know its unkind to kill cats, he or she probably won't make the connection between certain liquids and their combustability. That isn't to say that mentally handicapped can't and don't accidently kill animals - - I had a boy in art class once who killed a pet hamster by tossing it up in the air so it hit the ceiling. He was mimicing something his dad does with baby brother . . . only dad doesn't toss as hard or nearly as high. It's those subtle misunderstandings of mechanics that usually does the class pet in, frankly. But this . . . I think its too premeditated and complex for someone who is even EMH or DEMH in at about this age.



The hamster story is sad! I totally agree though.
08-08-2008 03:49 PM
gillibean
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Originally Posted by Eclipse27 View Post

The point remains.



What proof is there for your point? How much do you actually know about this subject?
08-08-2008 03:44 PM
Eclipse27
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Originally Posted by sarahjayn1980 View Post

That's an ignorant statement. Children aren't immune to mental illness or psychological defect. That doesn't make them cruel or retarded.



The point remains.
08-08-2008 02:26 AM
guinnesshero
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Originally Posted by Dogma View Post

At nine years old, the kid is either retarded and doesn't know any better, or he's a cruel kid. Chances are the latter and I'm not surprised.





Where did you get your medical degree to make this diagnosis?Also when did you meet with the child to diagnose him as eithre retarded or cruel? I just want to know so that if my son ever has problems I can come to you for advice.Just in case you werent sure this is sarcasm.
08-08-2008 02:07 AM
Dogma
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Originally Posted by guinnesshero View Post

I wouldnt jump to too many conclusions here. Who knows if this child lives an abused life and is acting out becasue of it.people on this board are ready to jump to the defense of adults who molest and such saying that the offenders were probably molested as children, but let a child commit an otrocity on an animal and everyone is ready to call him a sociopath or a psychopath neuter him and call him scum. He's NINE ever think maybe he didnt really understand what he was doing?



At nine years old, the kid is either retarded and doesn't know any better, or he's a cruel kid. Chances are the latter and I'm not surprised.
08-06-2008 08:20 PM
Wolfie
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Originally Posted by sarahjayn1980 View Post

I think it might be unfair to say - without knowing him - that any amount of tax dollars could lead to a normal life for this child. However, compassionate care certainly won't hurt him and might help him become a more compassionate individual.

My cousin used to do this sort of thing (to a lesser degree . . . I think). He was adopted when he was 8. He was horribly abused by his birth parents. His younger sister (who was also adopted by my aunt) was 7 years old and 23 pounds. She was covered head-to-toe in cigarette burns. My male cousin was sexually abused by strangers that his parents charged to lend him out to. Most days they would park (they lived in their car) and he'd stand in front of a corner store or something all day long waiting for someone to pick him up. My aunt (who is a social worker) adopted them and my older male cousin (different birth parents), she knew she'd have a hard road ahead of her. She knew they'd never be "normal kids" - - they had too much baggage, you know? They spent prime bonding years living in hell. My aunt was wonderful to them. She showed them nothing but love. She set clear rules and enforced consequences when needed. She set a good example. She sought lots of professional help and medical assistance. My younger male cousin still threw rocks at animals hoping to kill them. He kicked dogs (one time in a fit he kicked the family dog so hard it broke the skin), he would get in knock-down drag-out fights with his sister - - once removing a chunk of hair so large it couldn't be covered with a head band. He grew up. He's not perfect. He can't hold a job for more than a few months, he makes bad decisions all the time, and he doesn't spend enough time with his kids. However, because someone (my aunt) helped him, I believe he's better than he would have been. His quality of life certainly is. He's not a killer, he's not even a criminal. And, as an added bonus, he doesn't randomly burst into tears because he feels so terrible about himself, he doesn't try to cut himself, he doesn't thing everyone is out to get him, he doesn't need to sleep with all the lights on, he doesn't respond to every conflict with violence. Which is how he used to be.

I'm not saying this kid is anything like my cousin. He may be from the best home ever, for all we know. However, a tormented soul is one that needs help - regardless of their age, or how they came to be that way. Compassion is the only way to save people.



Thank God for people like your aunt. I could never do it, but I'm glad there are people that can.
08-06-2008 08:07 PM
gillibean I'm not expecting a normal person regardless of help this kid gets (as evidenced by my serial killer comments). Honestly, the best I think we can realistically expect is to hopefully keep him out of jail.
08-06-2008 07:23 PM
gillibean
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Originally Posted by Eclipse27 View Post

Can it be taught? I don't really think it can. Some people simply aren't capable.



"Dexter" style sociopaths are very rare (if they exist at all). In the vast majority of people, compassion can be and is taught. Babies don't come into the world with a set amount compassion for things. They have some naturally and learn the rest from their parents, siblings, teachers, strangers, etc
08-06-2008 07:03 PM
Eclipse27
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Originally Posted by guinnesshero View Post

and you dont want it tought to him





Can it be taught? I don't really think it can. Some people simply aren't capable.
08-06-2008 05:10 PM
gratefulheart
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Originally Posted by Eclipse27 View Post

Something this kid doesn't seem to know.



I couldn't agree more. Hopefull he gets the help he needs. quick.
08-06-2008 04:01 PM
gillibean
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Originally Posted by Eclipse27 View Post

I'd definitely take the first option. Although I think you made a mistake in your post.



If you want the first option, then why are you arguing that you don't want to help this kid?



What mistake? Actually there is. I phrased the second option wrong. It should be: take the chances that he'll escalate and harm people and end up in jail where you pay lots more (especially if hes convicted of the death penalty)
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