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08-21-2003 01:46 PM
Faery Girl
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Originally Posted by JavaPrincess View Post

i find forensic psych fascinating, my school just isnt the place to pursue it at all, we have one full time researcher in the field and that is it, no real clinicians. i see no problem with taking it slow, i have for my own reasons more for health then work, butfrom what i have seen in my studies some of the brihtest students are those doin it part time. they are the mostdedicated to their studies because of all the sacrifices they have had to make tin order to indulge in their passion



best of luck to you in your studies!!!



Say



Thank you! best of luck to you as well!!
08-18-2003 01:17 PM
JavaPrincess i find forensic psych fascinating, my school just isnt the place to pursue it at all, we have one full time researcher in the field and that is it, no real clinicians. i see no problem with taking it slow, i have for my own reasons more for health then work, butfrom what i have seen in my studies some of the brihtest students are those doin it part time. they are the mostdedicated to their studies because of all the sacrifices they have had to make tin order to indulge in their passion



best of luck to you in your studies!!!



Say
08-18-2003 12:23 PM
Faery Girl say - that's awesome.



I have a few different interests...forensic psychology, child psychology and behavioral psych... I think I'd really enjoy working with children with behavioral disorders. we'll see...I've been on the slow boat, educationally....it's the only way I can do it and work full time...but it's given me a chance to figure out what I want to do!



good luck to you!
08-18-2003 10:56 AM
JavaPrincess I would like to do counselling psychology, im looking into doing a PsyD at the moment which is equivalent to a PHD but no research.



Id like to work with kids/adults aged 16-25 (the forgotten age group) in abnormal psychology but abnormall on all aspects of the continuum not necessarily hospitalization abnormal.

The services for this age group are severely lacking, at 17 one does not have the same needs as a 13 or 14 yr olds yet the services offered are the same. the same goes for a 25 yrs old or a 20 yr old they do not have the same needs as a 40 yr old yet a depressed 20yr old and 40yr old will be put together in the same day program. I believe this can be remedied. and that is my goal and these are this is my target age group although i would work with any age. otherwise i would workin a High school



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08-17-2003 09:51 PM
Faery Girl java princess - I believe we have similar educational goals



I love the fact that you are focusing on destigmatizing mental illness, therapy etc. It's awesome.



a little off topic - May I ask what aspect of psychology you plan to pursue?



I'll have to check out nami.org!!!
08-15-2003 02:32 PM
Cissy Java - Yeah, therapy's a lot more normal than I thought it was. Once when I was waiting for my brother's appointment to end, I saw another guy from school (a REALLY hot one) waiting to go in. And going to therapy doesn't mean you're crazy - hell, I was crazy before I went to therapy. All jokes aside, I think it's great that you volunteer like that - that's something I would consider doing when I'm older.
08-15-2003 09:37 AM
JavaPrincess
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There is a major stigma with therapy - until my brother went into therapy, I thought it was for "weird" people.



I know I try to destigmatize therapy as much as I can. a lot of people reffer to there therapists there counsellor or there friend even when they talk about them. I try as much as I can to tell people ( when i get to know them) that yes I am in therapy, yes it is a normal thing that Im not crazy and that it has been and is very helpful for me. I have been known to even get people to go see our school counsellor and the like although peoples reactions are usually like "therapy eww i hate psychologists" I laugh cause sometimes they even know im studying to be one.

Actually there is a great organization called the National Alliance for The Mentally Ill www.nami.org that does alot of destigmatization stuff. they have affiliates all accross the country and one www.amiquebec.org in canada I only know in detail what the one here does cause i interned with them and volounteer with them talking in high schools when i have time but the HS program is great we go and do an education talk on mental illness then a testimonial (my part) and we talk about medication use and therapy and how it helped us and how we are better and what we experienced and what didnt work and what HS was for us with MI and stuff. It really helps the Kids understand MI and get help for themselves if they need it.

I had this talk when i was in grade 11 i was one of the first grades to hear it, but i was already in hospital with my AN I could have used this 3yrs before thats why im so happy to be doing it.
08-15-2003 08:42 AM
PunkRockRapunzL Cause bladder infections and worms. Describe.
08-14-2003 06:28 PM
Cissy
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Originally posted by MsRuthieB

Cissy-You are so well spoken for such a young person. Smart to boot! I see another strong woman joining our ranks in the next couple of years!



Women Rock!



ETA : opppss..sorry to get off topic. But sometimes a younger person comes along that just outright impresses me!



Hehe...thanks! My parents have always taught my brother and I the importance of learning and speaking up.



Okay, back on topic. I heard about a study on Discovery channel...the study said that monkeys who weren't touched at all as babies or given love/care became violent as they were older. I've seen from personal experience people who don't come from loving families - most of them tend to be unloving themselves.



And about bullying - I know I never stood up for myself when I was little and people made fun of me.



Java - There is a major stigma with therapy - until my brother went into therapy, I thought it was for "weird" people. And I certainly never thought that I'd end up in the psychiatric hospital! It now has a tendency to bug me when people say to people who are hyper at school that "Do we need to call the guys in the white trucks to come get you?" or something to that effect.
08-14-2003 03:32 PM
Tame
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Originally posted by PunkRockRapunzL



Am I serious?





I don't know if you are serious. I have thought of a few ways to describe you, but many of my comments have been found to cause bladder infections and worms, so I have been asked to refrain from using them on the VB.
08-14-2003 03:01 PM
PunkRockRapunzL Pop media is cliche. How can you tell a story w/o a bad guy? Conflict is essential.



I dont want a stone..dont wanna be stoned..I dont want a boulder, dont want a pebble, I want to rock.



MsRuthieB- I feel the same way about the Olsen twins.



Am I serious?
08-14-2003 02:55 PM
GhostUser Cissy-You are so well spoken for such a young person. Smart to boot! I see another strong woman joining our ranks in the next couple of years!



Women Rock!



ETA : opppss..sorry to get off topic. But sometimes a younger person comes along that just outright impresses me!
08-14-2003 02:54 PM
JavaPrincess bullies do not make people stand up for themselves maybe one in 30 of their targets have that reaction. the rest cowar, internalize and attack others in turn. If bullying had any positive effects on children it would not be so heavily studied and attended to in sociology, psychology and popular media.

even bullies dont always turn out that great. hasnt pop media been enough to tell you that bullies are troubled little kids??





shamus your right on there is always another way to interperate studies results especially ones as flawed as those studies. statistically those studies are meaning less because as you pointed out there are so many other interpretations of the results.



Feliner it is fascinating that the rates have increased despite awareness and i think that you may be right in saying awareness may be a factor. but that continued awareness and destigmatization along with the awarnessness and destigmatization of ALL the treatment options including Therapy which holds a lot of stigma perhaps even more so then medication will help prevent suicide. I personally believe that crisis intervention therapy is a much better tool for suicide prevention then is medication as there is no medication that can work fast enough, but that without medication the effects of therapy may not be sustainable depending on that individual.



Say
08-14-2003 02:44 PM
PunkRockRapunzL Bullies inspire people to stand up for themselves..they make the heroes..is a response to opposition not positive?
08-14-2003 02:16 PM
Cissy I agree with MsRuthieB there - bullying really doesn't have positive outcomes.



And I agree with Shamus about the blanket-solutions.
08-14-2003 11:29 AM
GhostUser Thank goodness you stopped or else you could have ended up in a rappers song!



Nothing positive comes from bullying in my opinion.
08-14-2003 10:11 AM
Shamus Naw, Im not a natural bully Im as harmless as a bunny. Once on Ritalin I stopped bullying, and when I came off it a few years after, I havent been a bully since. In fact its been quite the opposite. Im a pacifist, hate violence and avoid physical confrontations. I ended up being bullied through most of public school and the first year and half of high school. Ironic retribution I guess.
08-14-2003 08:49 AM
PunkRockRapunzL Shamus- Maybe you're just a natural bully..this doesnt have to be a bad thing necessarily...Could you not have applied those bully qualities to life in a positive way? Used them as an effective means of force? Look how it works out to Tame's advantage. ;P
08-14-2003 08:34 AM
Shamus An interesting link Feliner, thank you.



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It should be noted that there has been studies linking those on AD's as more likely to commit suicide. Unsure how true that is, but it can be said rather matter of factly that the availabity of treatment hasn't helped cure the problem thus far.

Who are those people on ADs more likely to commit suicide than? Do they mean the general population, or non-AD taking people who suffer from depression? If it is to the general population they are comparing, I would say their results should have been fairly obvious before testing. In the link you posted it stated that 90% of suicides are depression related. Not everyone gets the proper AD medication, so I wouldnt at all be surprised if many of the people on ADs still try suicide. My brother, for instance, was at first given the wrong AD medication (and by a well-known and respected doctor I might add). It caused him to become more suicidal than before.



Last night it suddenly occurred to me that I hadnt talked about another contentious drug, Ritalin. I have ADD, which when I was a child manifested itself as ADHD (the H disappeared with age). As a child I was a terror before I got on Ritalin. I used to bully kids in pre-school to make them give me the toys I wanted, and was the only person in the history of my school to be suspended from Kindergarten. According to my parents ADHD hadnt even been given a name at that point in time, and doctors werent exactly sure what to prescribe.



After trying various non-drug methods, my parents decided to go with the doctors suggestion of Ritalin. The results were like night and day. I calmed right down, and my teachers noticed a vast improvement in my ability to pay attention. And, best of all, I stopped hurting other kids. Later my parents also removed all refined sugar from my diet, which helped out even more.



I have however heard the flip-side to the Ritalin story. My fi herself has had experience in this. The problem IMHO, lies in the lack of understanding by the medical community, coupled with their tendency to give blanket-solution treatments to various problems that express similar symptoms.
08-14-2003 01:37 AM
Feliner "The suicide rate for white males age 15 to 24 has tripled since 1950, while for white females, it has more than doubled. Among persons age 10 to 14 years, the rate has increased by 100%." referenced from http://www.bipolarsurvivor.com/suicidefacts.html



I am completely supportive of folks choosing the path that is right for them (so long as it doesn't intentionally harm others). If meds help you, they help you. It doesn't matter if in some cases that help is psychosomatic, or if the pills truly make much needed changes in your brain chemistry.



The posts discussing changes in technology & life in general over the last 50 years or so, got me thinking... Is life harder? in some ways, but in others it's a LOT easier (technology complicates & simplifies at the same time). Perhaps it's an even exchange. The statistic I posted above is interesting to me though, because in the here and now WITH anti-depressants & frequent therapy; depression & suicide are at an all time HIGH.



If I had to present a theory as to why suicide rates are higher now (even with treatment being readily available & encouraged) than in the past, I would say that suicide has moved from the shadows as an act that was taboo, an embarrassment to ones family; to becoming somewhat glamourized by celebrity suicides & modern media. It's good that we're basically able to talk openly about our feelings in a way we once could not. However, I believe in some cases people who would of "toughed it out" back in the day, now choose suicide because it's lost a lot of it's stigma. In no way do I believe that is the ONLY reason for suicide rates increasing. Overpopulation has been cited as another, and there is something to be said for life becoming more complex. It should be noted that there has been studies linking those on AD's as more likely to commit suicide. Unsure how true that is, but it can be said rather matter of factly that the availabity of treatment hasn't helped cure the problem thus far.



I've never been on anti-depressants. Could I of used them? definitely. However, growing up that was not something I could bring up. We didn't have health insurance & psychiatrists were frowned upon. I don't agree with that attitude at all. But, I wonder about putting strange substances in my body & do my best to limit taking medications. I've toughed it out, I have the battle scars & life still isn't perfect (big surprise, life as a veg*n isn't perfect for anyone I imagine). Now that AD's are an option for me, I don't need them anywhere near as much as I could of in the 90's . So, I'm glad I suppose that I didn't have the ability to seek treatment. But, I'm also OK with it for other people. I dread ever having to take a daily pill. I hate remembering & swallowing pills & I don't like wondering what long term side effects they'll eventually discover. Besides the daily diarrhea, dry-mouth & rectal itching.. haha .



As a side note, I am completely in support of the wonderful SHOWER, the toothbrush & paste and let us not forget deodorant! I cannot and do not wish to learn to love the natural odors of our fellow man. Not so long as my sense of smell works!



Ahem.. this is the last time.. but I couldn't hold back...



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If it wasn't a big deal, you wouldn't have brought it up more than once. Please show me where moderators are "snapping" at anyone. And yes, your case was somewhat off-topic, and you were *gently* informed of, and linked to, a thread that would suit the topic better. Oh, and no, the mysterious deleted posts you refer to were most likely not zapped by a mod.



OH! and it's me who isn't paying attention! How many times do I have to explain that was said tongue in cheek and with a smile? I have never posted some nutty angry thing like you're implying. I was KIDDING, teasing.. ha ha ha, ho ho ho?? comprehend'ay yet chief?
08-13-2003 07:10 PM
Tame
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Originally posted by PunkRockRapunzL



Tame- Fecal-matter-covered-comments? People pay attention when things smell. Nature wants me to die from cancer? If I die, at least I know I died a pure death.



Oh..and I didnt know that breaths of fresh air choke those who try to breathe. (Feliner and myself..among others who have not decided to hold their breath around blatant fascism)



Damn. Not sure about your olfactory senses, but when something smells like fecal matter, it is either time to change the kid, let the dog out, or lay off the refried beans. People might pay attention, but only long enough to get rid of the sickening odor.



Oh, and yeah, please let me know what is so "fascist" around here. Really, I am interested.



Knock yourself out with that "pure death" thingy. Let me know how that works out for you. Personally, I prefer not to watch my loved ones die while in agony and spitting up blood if the death can be prevented. To each his own.
08-13-2003 07:06 PM
Tame
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Originally posted by Feliner

Tame-



I never once stated my opinions on this issue, I didn't agree that PRR was correct in anything she said. I just supported her right to say it, and felt that she was being judged a bit harshly. That she wasn't intending to be a jerk.

Funny, I never once commented about *your* opinions on *this* issue. Only your defense of PRP. Read what I wrote agian.



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I'd appreciate it if you would stop reading between the lines in my posts and singling me out like a heat missile. I don't have any desire to speak with you, I find you to be abrasive & unpleasant. I'm not amused in the slightest by your act. I'm looking to interact with people grounded in reality, who aren't putting on a show. Obviously you don't care for me either, so if we could just avoid one another... that'd be swell!



You can ask nicely, or not so nicely, but I will comment on any of your comments whenever and wherever I choose.

You don't have to reply - no skin off my balls.

And hey, I am abrasive and unpleasant. Seems you should like that, as you just defended those qualities in another.

And no, I don't dislike you. For me to dislike you would imply I expend enough effort to care about you one way or the other.



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For the record, since you mentioned it again.. when I joked that off-topic stuff goes *poof*, that was one of those offhanded comments. If I say people get snapped at, I'm not referring JUST to my own experiences and I'm not suggesting that LITERALLY somebody "snapped at me for being off topic", just that it was brought up when I didn't really feel that things were off-topic. But who cares, it's no big deal until it's made one by somebody trying to ruffle my feathers.



If it wasn't a big deal, you wouldn't have brought it up more than once. Please show me where moderators are "snapping" at anyone. And yes, your case was somewhat off-topic, and you were *gently* informed of, and linked to, a thread that would suit the topic better. Oh, and no, the mysterious deleted posts you refer to were most likely not zapped by a mod.
08-13-2003 04:24 PM
Faery Girl now that I've "cleared the clutter" as MsRuthieB said, a trip to the beach...or a nice hike in topanga canyon makes me happy. Being with nature is a wonderful feeling...I wish that I had more of a chance to do it. I can imagine that if I got more sunlight on a daily basis, that it would help...but I go straight from home, to the office, to the gym and back home...then it's usually time for bed. I've put full spectrum bulbs in my desk lamp at work and all of my lamps at home...we'll see how that works. My husband and I have talked about taking a walk in the morning before work...I think we might start doing that...being surrounded by pavement, buildings and cars isn't all that peaceful...but I think it is a good idea.
08-13-2003 03:21 PM
PunkRockRapunzL
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Originally posted by MsRuthieB

The peace finally begins when we realize that we won't ever reach this ultimate happiness.



I agree, MsRuthieB. Maybe happiness wouldnt make us happy.



However, I do believe that something cant be fixed unless it is broken. You cant be saved unless you are in danger. You can never be happy unless you have been sad. (Ideas, ideas...)
08-13-2003 03:15 PM
PunkRockRapunzL Sometimes I think that our depression is due to the lack of meaning in our lives. Despite technological advances and improvements in the quality of life, there is always going to be a sense of unfulfillment b/c imagination is stronger than reality, and things will never be as wonderful as we can imagine them.
08-13-2003 03:04 PM
PunkRockRapunzL Faery Girl- I dont live purely b/c then I'd have to be a Walden-esque hermit..society would not accept me. I have written many essays that I might post on the subject, such as one directed towards anti-hygiene..why should we not accept someone's natural breath and body odors, etc...then I go and brush my teeth after writing it..these are basically ideas that I'd like to explore one day, but I really have no freedom to pursue any of them beyond writing it all down. Freedom= freedumb



Kirk- Nothing words could explain. I dont like to disappoint myself. Only others.



mouse- My ideas stem from me. We share the attention, I suppose.
08-13-2003 02:33 PM
GhostUser Sometimes I get happy just trying to get as close to myself as I can. Like, sitting down at the lake on my favorite rock really concentrating on the way the wind and sun feel on my face. Trying to empty my head and live in the moment. This helps keep me sane and balanced.



Appreciating life and self acceptance is a process; a journey. I know some folks that are depressed because they are 'never there'. But what they can't seem to realize is that no one is really 'ever there'. We are all striving toward inner peace and true undilluted joy. Will we ever get there? I think many of us won't. The peace finally begins when we realize that we won't ever reach this ultimate happiness.



People are always in different stages of self discovery. I believe for some, meds help to clear the fog so they can begin to see more clearly what issues need to be dealt with (if any). And some need meds to help them see more clearly so they can put their world back in to perspective. You can't continue the process of self discovery until you clear the clutter.
08-13-2003 02:12 PM
Cissy
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Originally posted by kristadb

Cissy, I believe the genetics are the same as those that have an addictive personality, etc. We all get screwed over somehow in regards to our genes, so don't get too angry about it You have a great approach to your health.



Eh, I'm not mad, I'm pretty happy with myself, depression, anxiety and all. And hey, whaddya know, I have an addictive personality too, according to the psychiatrist! And thanks for the compliment.



Mouse - that's really interesting....



And I agree - I too like being with nature, even if it's just playing with my dogs or looking at my yard.
08-13-2003 02:04 PM
GhostUser Interesting posts, Tova and Shamus. I too find that I am only at peace when I am connected with nature in some way. To some extant, my cats do that for me on a regular basis.



At some point within the past year, I heard a scientist/physician interviewed on public radio. He had written a book in which he explored how the responses that had permitted early humans to survive were affecting modern humans. One of the issues he brought up was the adrenaline rush associated with the "fight or flight" response. He pointed out that that adrenaline rush was originally only experienced when we were faced with a life threatening situation, but, in our modern world, with the nature of our work and increasing time constraints, we experience it with a much greater frequency than our bodies are equipped to handle. He sees it as an underlying cause of many physical and psychological ills.
08-13-2003 01:53 PM
Faery Girl very good idea. I will too.
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