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01-13-2007 11:38 PM
Fyvel
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Originally Posted by peace View Post

Is there any food poisoning risk with soyfoods? Because I know I've let veggieburgers, soy chick'n and such defrost probably more than they should before re-freezing them.



There's a risk with almost all foods, especially those containing protein. The difference is that the soy foods are much less likely to be contaminated with pathogenic bacteria. If they did somehow get contaminated (such as cross-contamination in the fridge with meat dripping on them), then leaving them out at room temperature for a long period of time could be dangerous.



When thinking of food safety questions, you first have to think of where pathogenic bacteria come from and then how they grow. These bacteria mostly come from animals (E coli in beef, Salmonella in chicken & eggs, Listeria in milk, etc). It is possible for these bacteria to end up in other places (such as with the recently contaminated spinach). Don't forget about cross contamination at the grocery store: that counter/belt is NOT clean; think of all the leaky meat packages that were there first. Bag your produce, and don't set your food in any suspicious wet spots.



Bacteria grow well from about 40-140F. So either keep the food cold or hot, and don't leave food within this temperature range for more than about 2 hours. Your best bet would be to either thaw your veggie burgers in the fridge, or don't leave them out at room temp for more than 2 hours (you can stick them in the fridge after this time). The chances are pretty low, but you never know what's going on in the processing plant, or after processing before it gets to you.
01-13-2007 09:28 PM
peace Is there any food poisoning risk with soyfoods? Because I know I've let veggieburgers, soy chick'n and such defrost probably more than they should before re-freezing them.
01-13-2007 12:08 PM
Snow White
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Originally Posted by fyvel View Post

Not to mention the food safety aspect of the whole thing. It is generally recommended that meats be placed on the bottom shelf of the refrigerator so that if they do leak, they aren't dripping down onto other foods.



Personally, I don't know why anyone would consider something 'food' that is also a biohazard.

The bottom of the fridge is also cooler, which is why meat or anything that spoils easily should be kept on the glass right above the veggie drawer near the back.



According to the instructions that came with my fridge anyway...my internet connection wasn't working at the time, so I had some extra time on my hands
01-12-2007 09:44 PM
danakscully64
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Originally Posted by PicklesAreVegan View Post

Aww thanks! *hugs back*



Thank You I feel your pain. My Mom only cooks meat dishes and they always seem to end up right next to my veg leftovers.
01-12-2007 09:15 PM
PicklesAreVegan Aww thanks! *hugs back*
01-12-2007 06:32 PM
KC_VeganVixen
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Originally Posted by Pirate Ferret View Post

I share a house with 6 omnivores.

nothing kills the appetite like "back fat bacon" on top of your hummus!!

[feels your pain]

Yep. I'm in a house with 3 omnis. It's the same kinda thing.

I can't wait 'till I get a place of my own! Then I'll have a vegan fridge!
01-12-2007 06:20 PM
danakscully64 You need a hug *hug*
01-12-2007 02:51 AM
froggythefrog
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Originally Posted by treefingers View Post

ugh grosssss!



my mum defrosts the meat unpackaged on a plate in the cupboard (where the plates are) and it always freaks me out (and grosses me out) to open up the cupboard to get a plate or cup or bowl and see a huge slap of bloody flesh sitting there. it is so disgusting and i have to get my plate/bowl/cup from another cupboard just because i hate that it is in the same area as the open meat. ughguhguhg.



That's just wierd. Even when I was an omni, I knew meat was dirty. I am so glad my home is MINE.



(ETA: Just to clarify, I live with an omni, but we grew up together, and we have similar ideas about how raw meat is to be kept around other food. Well, I'd sorround it with a bacteria-zapping force field if I could, but that's another matter. )
01-11-2007 02:02 PM
PicklesAreVegan Thanks guys! I think I will ask for my own shelf. lol. And thanks for the bacteria info also!
01-11-2007 09:58 AM
Fyvel
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Originally Posted by treefingers View Post

is it? i don't know if it makes any difference but it is usually covered in some plastic wrap... well i guess i should inform her on that.





It is! The plastic wrap really doesn't make a difference. What happens is that there is bacteria already present in the meat. Bacteria multiply and grow very rapidly at around room temperature, and can build up to dangerous levels in a short period of time. If the meat is contaminated with a pathogenic bacteria, such as a dangerous strain of E coli, or Salmonella (or one of many others), you can get very sick from eating the meat, especially if it isn't cooked very thoroughly.



From the Fight Bac website:



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Never defrost food at room temperature. Food must be kept at a safe temperature during thawing. There are three safe ways to defrost food: in the refrigerator, in cold water, and in the microwave. Food thawed in cold water or in the microwave should be cooked immediately.

01-11-2007 09:48 AM
treefingers
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Originally Posted by fyvel View Post

That is a very unsafe practice. Perhaps you should inform your mom that meat should be thawed in the refrigerator (or in cold water in the sink that is changed often)

is it? i don't know if it makes any difference but it is usually covered in some plastic wrap... well i guess i should inform her on that.
01-10-2007 11:46 PM
MandyLikesTomatoes I share a house with three omnivores, who the house is owned by. Sharing the space can be very hard, expecially when people don't realize how gross thawing meat products can be to others! I was blessed and got my own fridge, though. (An early wedding gift.)



I echo that getting your own "space" would be a good idea! Be it a shelf or a basket or a box, just somewhere safe you can keep your things.





(edited to add an extra thought or two.)
01-10-2007 09:54 PM
s0ad That is gross. I have one tiny draw at the bottom of the fridge, and my parents can't seem to keep their meat stuff out of it, including fast food stuff.... like KFC. -_- I especially hate when they ask me to get some package of meat for them, I hated touching the package when I still ate meat... let alone now.
01-10-2007 08:22 AM
Fyvel
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Originally Posted by treefingers View Post

ugh grosssss!



my mum defrosts the meat unpackaged on a plate in the cupboard (where the plates are) and it always freaks me out (and grosses me out) to open up the cupboard to get a plate or cup or bowl and see a huge slap of bloody flesh sitting there. it is so disgusting and i have to get my plate/bowl/cup from another cupboard just because i hate that it is in the same area as the open meat. ughguhguhg.





That is a very unsafe practice. Perhaps you should inform your mom that meat should be thawed in the refrigerator (or in cold water in the sink that is changed often)
01-09-2007 09:39 PM
treefingers ugh grosssss!



my mum defrosts the meat unpackaged on a plate in the cupboard (where the plates are) and it always freaks me out (and grosses me out) to open up the cupboard to get a plate or cup or bowl and see a huge slap of bloody flesh sitting there. it is so disgusting and i have to get my plate/bowl/cup from another cupboard just because i hate that it is in the same area as the open meat. ughguhguhg.
01-09-2007 07:41 PM
Alli I have my own shelf. Ask your mom about that, it makes things a lot easier, for you and them.



Even if I didn't, it's not as big of a deal for me because my family doesn't eat much meat, mostly because I'm vegan and my brother doesn't like it (except for ham, which is ironic, because of how much he loves living pigs). They mostly store dead animals in the freezer. Although, it is kind of gross reaching in to get a tofutti cutie and having to stare at all the meaty cheese pizzas and frozen dead flesh.
01-09-2007 06:56 PM
Jill Someone put a defrosting package of deer meat on the top shelf without a bowl in the fridge. The thing leaked blood all over the place and on top of my container of hummus.
01-09-2007 06:46 PM
peace "Hey mom. You know what they say. This veal probably has more room in the fridge than it did when it was alive."



:sneaky: ain't I a stinker?
01-09-2007 02:41 PM
Fyvel
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Originally Posted by Coney View Post

Maybe you could have your own shelf in the fridge so there's no chance of a serious gross-out like that again. You can keep your stuff separate, and she can keep her drippy meat packages separate.





Not to mention the food safety aspect of the whole thing. It is generally recommended that meats be placed on the bottom shelf of the refrigerator so that if they do leak, they aren't dripping down onto other foods.



Personally, I don't know why anyone would consider something 'food' that is also a biohazard.
01-09-2007 02:38 PM
Pirate Ferret I share a house with 6 omnivores.

nothing kills the appetite like "back fat bacon" on top of your hummus!!

[feels your pain]
01-09-2007 02:23 PM
Coney Maybe you could have your own shelf in the fridge so there's no chance of a serious gross-out like that again. You can keep your stuff separate, and she can keep her drippy meat packages separate.
01-09-2007 02:22 PM
Fyvel
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Originally Posted by jojob1969 View Post

Yuck. Meat on your breakfast shake! How gross!



I have a part-time housekeeping job. Last week a woman asked me to clean her refrigerator for her. On the bottom shelf she had a package of raw meat defrosting and it was dripping blood all over the shelf. When I picked it up to clean under it leaked all over my hands. I had to put it in a bowl to contain all the blood that kept dripping out of it. It has been so long since I had meat in my home that I had almost forgotten how disgusting blood oozing slabs of dead animal are.





That is sooo nasty!!!
01-09-2007 02:17 PM
jojob1969 Yuck. Meat on your breakfast shake! How gross!



I have a part-time housekeeping job. Last week a woman asked me to clean her refrigerator for her. On the bottom shelf she had a package of raw meat defrosting and it was dripping blood all over the shelf. When I picked it up to clean under it leaked all over my hands. I had to put it in a bowl to contain all the blood that kept dripping out of it. It has been so long since I had meat in my home that I had almost forgotten how disgusting blood oozing slabs of dead animal are.
01-09-2007 11:52 AM
ChiKat Oh sick

Veal's one of the worst too

Even MY mom refuses to buy it
01-09-2007 11:43 AM
Fyvel Yuck!



There's nothing better than a vegan kitchen! No worries like random meat packages dripping on the veggies and such.
01-09-2007 10:47 AM
GhostUser Ewww. I would lose my appetite, too!
01-09-2007 09:31 AM
raddish uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh
01-09-2007 08:02 AM
Seb_0810 Yuck! I hate it when that happens.
01-09-2007 06:31 AM
Groovy chick I sympathise!
01-09-2007 06:16 AM
karenlovessnow You poor thing!
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