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12-06-2005 06:35 PM
Judas's Carrot Gallup test...
12-06-2005 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by bjorn again veg View Post

I posted a link a few days ago about research into pigs & it would indicate they have aspirations similar to you & I (see:

And they can determine that the aspirations (intentions, precisely) of other pigs are different from their own and make adjustments to behaviour accordingly. Indicative of "higher order" consciousness at least.
12-06-2005 05:46 PM
bjorn again veg Not sure what you mean here.

All animals are conscious unless unconscious or dead or comatose or hibernating.

Are they self aware?

My dogs definitely have emotions.

I posted a link a few days ago about research into pigs & it would indicate they have aspirations similar to you & I (see:
12-06-2005 05:16 PM
ilovemydragon When one of my dogs died, my other one who knew him for years was clearly upset he was not around. When DH comes home from work, my dogs are happy and missed him. I guess you have my answer.
12-06-2005 04:59 PM
Marie It'd be hard to play with my pets if they were unconscious.. so I'd say I'm for consciousness.
12-06-2005 02:54 PM
Ludi Here's link that might help:
12-06-2005 02:53 PM
Ludi To know what information You're looking for, I'd have to know what definition you're using for "consciousness."
12-06-2005 01:34 PM
veganinohio Most of them would be very similar to the arguments you may have seen for or against human conscousness (at least when comparing animals of similar nervous system and brain). Ultimately unprovable but self evident.
12-06-2005 11:58 AM
missfruity If there is another topic on this feel free to lock this topic.

Anyways, I'm looking for legitamite arguments for and against animal conciousness. Any links? Or does anyone want to discuss it here?

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