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#1 Old 07-04-2009, 08:42 AM
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I couldn't come up with a good title for this thread...so it is what it is.



Okay so I have a very serious question.

I know many here have never ever been tempted to go back to eating a vegetarian or omnivorous diet. But for those who have...did it ever happened during a depressive situation?



Up until recently I had only had one time where I ever really thought, "F* it, I'm going to eat some cheese," and anyone who knows my old posts knows the insane physically empathetic situation that came after that. But here recently I've been in such a huge slump that those thoughts start rising again. I've never had any kind of urge to go back to eating vegetarian or omni until this whole depressive episode. I'm not GOING to go back, I just don't like this feeling like "maybe I should" lurking inside of me.



Has anyone had this happen?
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I don't see myself ever going back to eating meat/dairy/eggs, but I have to say, that over the last six months, I have been doubting that this diet is doing me much good. I try and attribute the feelings of lack of energy, stamina, motivation, to menopause. But I look at other women my age and they don't seem to be having the same problems that I am. I can't even imagine that I'm not eating adequately enough. I consume all kinds of veggies/fruits/beans/quinoa/rice/whole wheat pastas/tofu/seitan and very little junk food. My treat for a day is either some dark chocolate or literally a half cup of soy ice cream. I am back to exercising at least 30-50 minutes 4-5 times a week. And I gained 20 pounds which is making me very unhappy.

So I have had moments where I say to myself, if I just go back to eating the way I used to, I would be feeling better and I'd be 20 pounds lighter. But then I know that I truly don't want to do that, so I'll just have to accept that this is the way it's going to be, and it's a little depressing.

I've never had an issue with real depression...not even when things were really going badly in my life. And even though I don't really feel depressed, the lack of interest/motivation to do things I normally like to do, ticks me off.

I hope I've made you feel less alone in what you are feeling, and I hope things turn around for you soon.
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I was doing my own thing quietly and YOU are the one who created this post trying to make a big deal out of it. Keep flaming the fire. That must be what you want.

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#4 Old 07-04-2009, 11:24 AM
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*deep breath* I did it. After four years of being a vegetarian I started eating meat again. This was about two years ago.



I have a terrible relationship with food; I don't just eat when I'm hungry, I eat when I'm bored, I eat to celebrate but my worst habit is eating to quell negative emotions.

At the time my relationship of seven years was falling apart and I completely stopped taking care of myself and gave in to the lure of food to make myself feel better. By then I had lost sight of the reasons that made me go vegetarian; it became more of a simple dietary habit for me than an ethical choice and when, for the first time since I had gone vegetarian I started craving meat, and just kept eating. Over time I started to buy into the whole "humane meat" schtick and continued to eat meat for about a year.



A year and a half ago I started a new job and one of my co-workers was vegetarian. We had a few short conversations about the subject and I started to remember and feel a connection again to my original reasons for going vegetarian. It took me a while to get back to it but year ago stopped eating meat and three months ago I stopped eating all other animal products.



The best thing that I did (and I think that you can do for yourself) was get back in touch with my reasons for going veg in the first place.

I've been through some very difficult times in the past year, and that lapse lurked heavily in my mind, and I did feel the temptation to "just this once, no one will know" but I stuck to it out of sheer stubbornness. I have to say that whatever momentary pleasure or benefit I thought I would have gotten is outweighed by the guilt I would have felt by giving in once again for nothing other than a craving, and the pride I felt when I got over that slump and hadn't given in.
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Hi LabileLotus. I haven't been spending much time on VB lately, but I did notice your "I'm not dead" thread. So let me take the opportunity to say:



I haven't really had any desire to eat meat/eggs/cheese but when I'm feeling particularly down (especially if I'm tired) I'll sometimes get a brief "is this really worth it?" in the back of my mind. But it's really about the time and effort that goes into cooking most of my food from scratch, occasional feelings of social isolation, the inconvenience of not being able to order just any old thing that's on a menu, etc. As soon a I actually stop to think what non-veg food is, I realize that going back just isn't an option for me.



Considering the turmoil in your life right now, I don't think it's surprising at all that you might have the occasional thought along those lines. So there's no need to feel guilty about it. It's just a natural reaction to the stress you're under right now, not something that says anything at all about you as a person.



One thing that I've noticed is that even when I've felt depressed or stressed out for a fairly long period of time, I always have some hours or days when I felt relatively normal and it helps to take advantage of those windows of opportunity and plan for the times when I won't feel like making much of an effort. So, for example, I'll make large batches of food so that I have leftovers for when I just don't have the energy to cook -- not exactly a novel suggestion I realize, but things like that seem to help me a lot. Also in the "thanks Captain Obvious" category: I hope you make a point of trying to keep exercise a major part of your lifestyle. When you're going through a lot of changes it can be really easy to forget or just not bother with it, but it's definitely worth the effort.



Remember, this too shall pass. Best wishes.

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This thread title intrigued me, so I'm sorry for participating in the vegan section. I know, I such a rebel.



My mood goes through periods of intense instability, and I have been diagnosed with depression twice in the past (both before I was a vegetarian). Sometimes these old feelings of hopelessness, sadness, insecurity, and meaninglessness return if something happens to trigger them. I always question my vegetarianism then. When you're thinking "What's the point?", as usually do of everything in a dark period, one of the first things I feel like doing is going down to McDonald's and tearing through a double cheeseburger. (When I was an omnivore, I only liked the crappy, processed meat).



Alternatively, I can feel self-destructive in these dark periods. I haven't physically injured myself since early high school, but feelings of wanting to deconstruct or hurt myself remain. They are just more subtle. Vegetarianism has become part of my identity. By forsaking that, I would be committing some self-injury in a sense. I don't know why I feel this way when I'm sad. Maybe it's just a way to get out of your own skin or release some pressure.



All that said, I have never done it. Not even once, in secret in the dark of the night when nobody was around. Maybe part of me knows that it will just make me feel like crap later. Maybe it's because animals (particularly my own dog and cat) are such a source of peace and calm for me. Seeing and interacting with animals always makes me feel good. Eating meat again would compromise this effect, I think. My relationship with the rest of the animal kingdom would not be so positive if I ate them. Maybe, too, it's just because I know cows don't understand human depression. "I'm sorry for killing you, I was sad" is not going to alleviate their suffering. I try to avoid lashing out at other people when I'm upset. Animals are even less-deserving of this lashing-out.



I'm sorry you're going through a rough patch, Labile Lotus. ::
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I know how you are feeling. I think I myself am actually depressed as well. Like you I'm not stepping back in diet, but the only time I've ever thought, screw it I'm just gonna do it has been in depressive states Obviously you'll have to deal with it in the way that suits you best, and I have no suggestsions as I'm currently in a similar state and found my thoughts wondering about those pesky hidden ingredients. I just walked to the produce section where it was only, well produce.



Stay strong.
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Yes, I know exactly how you feel. There was a point at uni where I was experiencing low mood consistently and one week both of my flatmates went home, I felt like crap and I ended up eating an entire half kilogram of Cadburys Dairymilk I found in my flatmates fridge. That was about a year ago and I have actually not 'slipped up' at all since then. I have recently come off anti depressants and am still having trouble with the thoughts that it just isnt worth it and I may aswell give up. I have absolutley no intention of doing so but some days its really hard to not want to pack it all in, but then that goes for everything not just veganism. I am glad I read this post it helps to know other people have these random thoughts when they are depressed too! I have ordered Vegan Freak from the library in the hope that itll make me feel better.
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I've been there. Since childhood I've suffered from significant issues with depression and anxiety. I've also struggled with food and have bounced back and forth between veganism, lacto-ovo vegetarianism, and non-veg ways. I was vegan for awhile way back when ... then I got very depressed and let my whole life fall apart. At the time, I stopped caring about everything that had been important to me and became completely numb to the world around me. In that mindset, I stopped being vegan and eventually stopped being vegetarian. I really had stopped functioning all together losing my job, a seven year relationship, my home. Part of depression for me is second guessing myself and my choices, convincing myself that what I'm doing is pointless, not good enough, etc. It leads to a downward spiral.



It sounds like your depressed attitude with food may be a form of self-destructive behavior. Ignoring your emotions and eating animal products knowing you'll be angry and down on yourself is an example of this. When you are tempted to self-sabotage, ask yourself questions like: Will eating that cheese make me feel better or worse? Am I punishing myself (and why)? Am I eating this food to avoid dealing with something else that's bothering me? What can I do to make myself feel better, not worse? If you do mess up, forgive yourself and move forward. Nothing is worse then dwelling on mistakes that you can't change. Take a long walk. Call a friend. Meditate. Reflect back on why you became vegan and the parts of being vegan that you find enrich your life and sense of being. If necessary, seek professional help. Know that you're human and therefore not perfect, but that you deserve to be happy and fulfilled in your life.



Best of luck to you.
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Because my vegetarianness has caused arguments in my family, I occasionally thought I might go back. But I didn't, partly because I've got to the stage where meat disgusts me, and partly because I don't want to let them win.
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Thanks for all the kind words folks, and especially thanks for the huggles...love me some hugs.



I definitely wouldn't actually go back to eating animals in any way, shape, or form. But as others have said, it's that thought in the back of my mind going "What's the point?" that has been getting to me. Some of you apparently did read the "I'm not dead" thread in the veggie patch, so you even more so understand the slump that I'm going through right now.



I guess one good thing is that I keep NO animal products in the house whatsoever. So even when I have those moments I don't go out and decide "Well it's here anyways..." This may become harder once my other roommate moves in because he's an omni. However he's also super respectful of me and my choices, so I think our home will still remain relatively vegan.



I had a point to this comment, just lost it in the midst of typing somewhere lol
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im not sure..

but dont give in to the temptation of the devil..

eating meat is only gong to make you feel worse, and feel worse that you spent all this time being a vegan and doing as much as you coud to help the animals.

**** what anyone thinks..

and plus if you are having trouble with energy i suggest (even tho u think u know what and what not to eat for nutrition) seeing a dietician so they are able to help you out with a whole rounded diet to keep your energy levels up.



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From my understanding of balancing meals, I would assume that you are not eating the right foods. At least not in the way you should. The common misconception is that people who are vegan or vegetarian are automatically healthier which is not always the case. Take a look at the foods you are eating, possibly cut back on sugar, eat more vegetables, and grains, and make sure to exercise.



These things should aid in depression, also try mediating, and yoga. Also have you ever had seed cheezes, or nut cheezes? Or better than Cream cheese, or cashew cheeze. These are all really delicious substitutes

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I was in a bad place a few weeks ago, really down and craving 'real' food, I'd been to a restaurant- to cheer me up- which had promised to cook me a good vegan meal but on arrival I was offered veg and chips. I got home starving and gave into temptation and ate a dairy full Rolo chocolate yoghurt which I enjoyed immensely, I didn't feel guilty afterwards and it filled that spot, after that I had a bag of Malteasers and felt great having missed them so much- I got very close to saying 'stuff it', the only reason I didn't was because I failed the first time now I have to prove to myself that I'm strong enough to do it.



I feel stupid now for giving in to temptation, my body didn't need that. It needed a meal, a good meal. I can't believe I gave in so easily after the weeks I spent craving all things non-vegan and how well I resisted then. It's definitely given me a new lease of life, I've been more careful than ever to avoid anything non-vegan to make up for my mistake.



I'm going to avoid restauants from now on, that is what depresses me most, when everyone is enjoying a nice meal and I'm sat with fries, desserts are worse, no restaurants offer vegan desserts other than fruit, it kills me not to order something sweet and delicious!
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Dearie, since you are going through so many changes, you need to resolve to take care of yourself - whether you feel like it or not. You have to ignore your emotional rollercoaster and just do what is right for your body and your mental health. That means, first of all and most importantly, eat right. For you, based on what I know about you, that means staying vegan - especially through this time of transition. And it also means to get in some sort of stress-reducing exercise nearly every day. I know you sometimes have some pretty strenuous exercise goals, but leave those for now and concentrate on keeping your head healthy. Eat well, exercise reasonably, and get lost in a good novel when you need a break.



Get settled in your new life before you make any other big changes. I would encourage you to keep the things that are important to you and shed the unnecessary for the time being. If you decide to make a diet change, fine - just make it consciously and purposefully and not as a reaction to stress.

It is our choices that show what we truly are far more than our abilities. ~A. Dumbledore
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Your not alone in feeling like this. i have moments when i'm depressed and i use to be them quite ferquenly and felt like eating meat. i'm not sure if it was because i work in a take away and i'm use to using foood as comfort, but the best soloution i found was to excercise as it kept my mind of of all the things that troubled me, or just find something that you really enjoy doing just to perk up you day. or watch met your meat i think it's called. makes me feel alot better i'm a vegan.

when i'm depressed i spend my time just running around and playing with my dog, seeing him excited and happy made me feel alot better. and by the time i got to work ii didn't feel like i wanted to eat the food there.
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From my understanding of balancing meals, I would assume that you are not eating the right foods. At least not in the way you should. The common misconception is that people who are vegan or vegetarian are automatically healthier which is not always the case. Take a look at the foods you are eating, possibly cut back on sugar, eat more vegetables, and grains, and make sure to exercise.



These things should aid in depression, also try mediating, and yoga. Also have you ever had seed cheezes, or nut cheezes? Or better than Cream cheese, or cashew cheeze. These are all really delicious substitutes




Balanced meals are one thing I'm sure I'm doing considering I'm certified as a personal trainer/nutrition specialist . But I'm always happy when people give this suggestion considering it many times IS a problem!



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Dearie, since you are going through so many changes, you need to resolve to take care of yourself - whether you feel like it or not. You have to ignore your emotional rollercoaster and just do what is right for your body and your mental health. That means, first of all and most importantly, eat right. For you, based on what I know about you, that means staying vegan - especially through this time of transition. And it also means to get in some sort of stress-reducing exercise nearly every day. I know you sometimes have some pretty strenuous exercise goals, but leave those for now and concentrate on keeping your head healthy. Eat well, exercise reasonably, and get lost in a good novel when you need a break.



Get settled in your new life before you make any other big changes. I would encourage you to keep the things that are important to you and shed the unnecessary for the time being. If you decide to make a diet change, fine - just make it consciously and purposefully and not as a reaction to stress.

Thanks love *huggles*
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I don't see myself ever going back to eating meat/dairy/eggs, but I have to say, that over the last six months, I have been doubting that this diet is doing me much good. I try and attribute the feelings of lack of energy, stamina, motivation, to menopause. But I look at other women my age and they don't seem to be having the same problems that I am. I can't even imagine that I'm not eating adequately enough. I consume all kinds of veggies/fruits/beans/quinoa/rice/whole wheat pastas/tofu/seitan and very little junk food. My treat for a day is either some dark chocolate or literally a half cup of soy ice cream. I am back to exercising at least 30-50 minutes 4-5 times a week. And I gained 20 pounds which is making me very unhappy.

So I have had moments where I say to myself, if I just go back to eating the way I used to, I would be feeling better and I'd be 20 pounds lighter. But then I know that I truly don't want to do that, so I'll just have to accept that this is the way it's going to be, and it's a little depressing.

I've never had an issue with real depression...not even when things were really going badly in my life. And even though I don't really feel depressed, the lack of interest/motivation to do things I normally like to do, ticks me off.

I hope I've made you feel less alone in what you are feeling, and I hope things turn around for you soon.



Well guys, my husband doesn't have a job, I dont have a job, and I'm going thru menopause and gained about 20 pounds.....and am more depressed than ever in my entire life, and I'm a depressive, but in spite of all that, I'd never, ever go back to eating animals.



But here are 10 gigantic hugs. I know the feeling.



I would definitely have my thyroid checked if you haven't already. May have soy issues affecting it, plus menopause may contribute to changes. Lack of energy and depression are two symptoms of hypothyroidism.



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This may sound strange, but I would try to eat more raw foods, whether you're still vegan or not. As in fresh fruits and vegetables, lower in fat diet, low amount of hard to digest foods like grains, nuts, and legumes. I have seen people have increases in happy thoughts when doing so.



Exercise, plenty of rest, sunshine, and surrounding yourself and giving others love is great, too.
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Thanks for all the kind words folks, and especially thanks for the huggles...love me some hugs.



I definitely wouldn't actually go back to eating animals in any way, shape, or form. But as others have said, it's that thought in the back of my mind going "What's the point?" that has been getting to me. Some of you apparently did read the "I'm not dead" thread in the veggie patch, so you even more so understand the slump that I'm going through right now.



I guess one good thing is that I keep NO animal products in the house whatsoever. So even when I have those moments I don't go out and decide "Well it's here anyways..." This may become harder once my other roommate moves in because he's an omni. However he's also super respectful of me and my choices, so I think our home will still remain relatively vegan.



I had a point to this comment, just lost it in the midst of typing somewhere lol



Even if you feel okay eating non-vegan for a time, you can always go back to being vegan later (we hope).
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I think that any time someone is dealing with major stress or depression that it keeps you from remaining focused and you kind of want to go onto Autopilot. That Autopilot is usually a routine you did for the majority of your life. If you ate those things for the better part of your life then it makes sense you would gravitate to that.



I think when your in the middle of anything like that you are but a shell of your true self and it is very hard to see that.



Just remember you are a beautiful human being who is dealing with a lot right now and is perfectly right to feel the way you do.



Thank you for sharing with us so we can talk with you



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