Originally Posted by Sevenseas
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Oh, I saw that paypal account on the Shania homepage and I've been paypaling you regularly because of all the nice things you say about her on that site. It's neat that we've been connecting on that site too without realizing it.
I'm glad if you found my post helpful
Yeah, I know you've always said basically the same thing but it really struck me differently this time and then Somebodyelse's post struck me in the same way. I guess with the veganism it seems to often be about animal cruelty and opposing factory farms and getting all into that -- and then someone asks "hey, what about honey -- what if we set up some kind of interesting contraption to take out some this way or that way and maybe it won't harm the bees as much" and it's the same with free range eggs if someone promises the chickens aren't going to be slaughtered or it's the same with Hare Krishna dairies where none of the cows are slaughtered.
But then your simple sentence asks for a shift in thinking. Instead of always thinking of some way in which we can extract something from the other animals in the animal kingdom we can shift to thinking how we could "question the status of animals as commodities, as resources and objects". And that is echoed by Somebodyelse, especially with "Why is it that we see ourselves as entitled to "choose", but we see them as having no choice at all, but as simply existing to serve us, or not to serve us, as we see fit?"
Suddenly it makes it seem like we aren't giving up anything when we give up cheese or yogurt or eggs or honey. How can we give up something that doesn't belong to us?
Yeah, I don't know, I just really prefer that perspective. I know human survival history has been about brutality in an attempt just to survive. I guess in the past it has seemed right to be brutal towards animals and even each other. And we can continue with that or not.
And if we take the sentence by Somebodyelse and apply it to human slaves it just makes so much sense -- hopefully someday it'll make just as much sense to society to apply it to animals:Why is it that we see ourselves as entitled to "choose", but we see them as having no choice at all, but as simply existing to serve us, or not to serve us, as we see fit?
Well done, you two.