Originally Posted by PneumaticJawz78
To be honest, I figure that marginally, there isn't a huge amount you can do whether you're fully veganized or not- and with vegetarianism, you're really getting to the root of the whole movement, the prevention of killing a ridiculously large amount of animals. Dairy and eggs might be at least MORE okay if there weren't so many animals suffering on behalf of them. But that's how the industry works.
Anyway. Ramble. It's all about what you're comfortable with. I was okay with vegetarianism for many years *Shrug*. Just have everything in moderation. And it definitely doesn't hurt to support areas with free-range chickens and well-treated cows (going local as opposed to buying from a chain is as good as you're going to get to knowing just what you're going to be putting on your plate, although I certainly know about the cost!!).
Hey, I agree with your first point that being vegan isn't really so hard- if you can do meatless, you can do vegan. What I disagree with, though, is vegetarianism (ovo lacto) getting to the root of the problem/preventing the killing of many animals. Being an omnivore who consumes plants, animal flesh and animal secretions (milk, eggs) OR being an omnivore who consumes plants and animal secretions (milk, eggs) but not
flesh (i.e. being an ovo-lacto "vegetarian"), you still fund the mistreatment and slaughter
of animals. Unless you go vegan/herbivore, you're still paying for animals to be killed. And, truly, in the "best" of farming situations ("free-range", local, "humane" and what have you), the things that happen to dairy and egg animals leading up to and including the ways they die are Anything But kind. Anything But something a person who really believes animals deserve compassion would have any business supporting. We're talking reproductive slavery, mutilations, forcibly tearing newborns and their mothers apart, mass killings of infant animals (via methods such as being ground alive, suffocated or stomped for all the male chicks at the hatchery before their sisters arrive- via being mailed in cardboard boxes no less- at these oh-so-"quaint" backyard egg farms (sometimes via feed stores) if they're "lucky" enough), etc, etc. to say nothing of the transport and slaughter process, which has the animals meeting a bloody blade on the kill floors of the same usda inspected slaughterhouses as every other (i.e. the "factory farmed") animal who are slaughtered -once they are no longer financial assets to the farmers, their lives are ended against the animals will. In fact the way the supposedly "best off", most "humanely raised" egg and dairy producing animals and their male counterparts are treated and disposed of would constitute felony animal cruelty in every U.S. state if done to a dog or cat. So, how can we condone it in the case of a chicken or a cow, especially if we have decided to be the ones to speak for and advocate for these beings who have no choice in the matter?
Anyone interested, check out the new website www.humanemyth.org
for more info, including many words from people who know the industry quite intimately either from having been family (animal) farmers themselves, or from rescuing the tortured victims of family farmers.
these links are also good resources:http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.htmlhttp://www.peacefulprairie.org/outre...nicDairy2.html