No-till farming - Page 2 - VeggieBoards
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
#31 Old 10-21-2006, 06:38 AM
Veggie Regular
 
Ludi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,934
I think urban community gardens and farms are the hope for the future.
Ludi is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
#32 Old 10-21-2006, 09:03 AM
Newbie
 
jackie890's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 68
This is a fascinating thread. Thanks for all the info, guys!



I do have a question, though, about the model to find out how to cause the least amount of death and still feed people. How would orchards factor in the equation? Would the deaths associated with the the one-time tilling of an orchard (composed of mixed trees and other perennial food plants) be more or less than the range meat model? If the orchard produced fruit and nut trees that lived for decades and could feed many people without further digging or slaughter, would it not be prudent to include these fruits and nuts in the "least kill diet," alongside or instead of the range meat?



Just curious.
jackie890 is offline  
#33 Old 10-21-2006, 09:40 AM
Veggie Regular
 
Mr. Sun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 4,956
Well, you could plant those fruit trees and nut trees in a no-till orchard as well. No need to till for the first planting. Because energy is being taken out (the fruit and the nuts) compost would have to be added back in. But that wouldn't be that hard to do.



But that is a very good point. Fruit and nut trees are a very good source of no-kill nutrition. The only consideration is the insects which love to eat fruit. But there are ways around that too.



Quote:
Key fruit crops such as low chill stone fruit, lychees, longans and persimmons in the subtropical regions of Australia are growth industries well placed to take advantage of potentially lucrative export markets. Major threats to these industries are the Queensland fruit fly and other insect pests.



Native to Australia and found on most of the country’s east coast, the Queensland fruit fly causes crop losses as its larvae are laid in the flesh of the fruit, causing premature ripening and rotting. It also causes problems with access to markets due to strict quarantine requirements. In the past, fruit fly control has relied heavily on the use of chemicals, but increasing consumer and environmental concern about chemical residue in fruit crops has lead the Department of Primary Industries and Fisheries (DPI&F) to research non-chemical alternatives.



Researchers from DPI&F investigated the use of exclusion netting to control fruit fly and other larger insects. Netting has increasingly been used to protect crops from birds, bats and environmental damage, but there has been limited use of this control method for insect pests. The researchers also faced the challenge of maintaining light, pollination and temperature at optimum levels under the netting.



The results speak for themselves. In stone fruit, a highly susceptible crop, the netting proved to be highly effective. Fruit flies and other larger insect pests were excluded. As well as being almost completely chemical free, the quality of the fruit was improved significantly. As a direct result of the research, there has been a rapid increase in the adoption of netting for a variety of crops. DPI&F is now working to have exclusion netting approved as a nationally and internationally recognised quarantine treatment for fruit flies.



http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/horticulture/14832.html
Mr. Sun is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
#34 Old 10-24-2006, 11:49 AM
Veggie Regular
 
Sevenseas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 25,067
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Sun View Post

I wonder if Sevenseas reads this thread. He mentioned omnis arguing against the vegan diet because of the deaths involved in tilling. I had actually never come across that until I was doing some surfing on this subject:

Davis's arguments got this rebuttal from someone called Gaverick Matheny:

http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/matheny.html

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

Sevenseas is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the VeggieBoards forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in


Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off