Originally Posted by kpickell
If people don't understand why you're wanting them to avoid honey or sponges, they aren't going to be able to buy into veganism.
It's not rocket science.
It's not hard to understand.
* Veganism is a belief that advocates animal welfare and/or animal rights - Vegans do not participate in the explotation and use of animal products to the best of their abilities.
* Bees are animals in phylum arthropoda.
* Honey is a bee product, and therefore an animal product.
* As a vegan, one does not participate in the explotation of an animal for no just reason other then "HonAY TASSYTTS GUUDE LOLo1l1!1"
* Conclusion: A vegan shouldn't participate in consuming honey, as it is unnecessary exploitation of an animal with no real benifit except ones own cravings. With viable 'substitues' honey is probably the easiest
animal product to quit using.
Further ethical points:
* Bees have at least some sort of shape recognition and memory recall which could mean a form of cogniscience. In tests they 'learned' quicker then pigeons. (from previous links posted)
* As an animal in the same phylum as lobsters, and the chance they maintain a form of cogniscience, we can conclude they may actualy feel pain and may actualy suffer.
* If for no reason but the chance
they could suffer, one with a compassion heart would quit supporting their explotation.
Honestly - If a vegan already gives up dairy, eggs, pork, beef, chicken, seafood, gelatin, shellac, lanolin, wool, leather, and silk - honey is the EASIEST animal product to quit using.
If a "vegan" doesn't understand the reasoning behind giving up honey, or a vegan-seeker throws it all aside and grabs a burger for no other reason then that they don't understand why being a vegan means no-honey then perhaps they would be suited better with lacto-ovo'ism, pescatarianism, or flexitarianism.
Or if someone has no problem giving up shellac or gelatin or eggs or dairy or silk or wool, but honey turns them away from the whole belief, then maybe that person would be better suited stacking alphabet blocks in kindergarden.