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#1 Old 03-16-2018, 03:37 PM
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Is soy healthy ?

Hello ! I have noticed that many vegans prefer soya -free profucts . Do you consider almond ,, milk " healthier ? Thank you for your comments
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Soy has been demonized for the same reasons as hemp- both are easily and cheaply grown and have tremendous health benefits.

https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/soy/

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There is no reason to avoid soy. Just like there is no reason for most of us to avoid gluten. the "marketers" find that putting a soy free or gluten free sticker on their food seems to make it sell better.

Most of the bad stuff about soy are lies spread by the Dairy board or the Weston A. Price foundation.

There have been some animal studies that sort of suggested that a lot of soy might decrease fertility. But unless you have some kind of sensitivity to soy, it's completely harmless. In fact, it's pretty good for you.

But I guess I should add this. Just like anything else you probably should not overdo it. And there might be a concern with the soy concentrates and isolates. They put that is all kinds of processed foods. But the answer there is obvious - just don't eat too much processed foods.

https://zenhabits.net/soy/
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Hello ! I have noticed that many vegans prefer soya -free profucts . Do you consider almond ,, milk " healthier ? Thank you for your comments

Hi Vlady,

Wow - soy foods! Few other foods have been the subject of so much nutritional myth. There are dozens of amateur nutrition blogs which claim that soy foods are bad for you. However, no mainstream health organization has stated that soy foods are unhealthy.

The American Cancer Society states that soy foods are safe, and that soy foods may even lower the risk of certain cancers. They do caution against consuming large amounts of soy protein isolates/supplements (soy protein powder, soy protein supplements): http://blogs.cancer.org/expertvoices...t-cancer-risk/

The American Heart Association's position on soy foods is very similar to that of the American Cancer Society. The AHA states that (1) soy foods likely provide cardiovascular health benefits (due to soy's vitamins, minerals, and polyunsaturated fats), but (2) the AHA does not recommend using soy isoflavone supplements (pills, powders, etc.): http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/113/7/1034

The American Diabetes Association recommends eating tofu, tempeh, and soy nuts: http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...d-protein.html . They also recommend soy milk: http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...n-i-drink.html



Another popular soy myth is that soy foods will cause men to have "man boobs", or erectile dysfunction. Like all good myths, these soy myths contain a small kernel of truth, which has been grossly exaggerated along the way. It is true that there are 2 case studies in which men experienced feminizing effects after consuming tremendously large amounts of soy foods, every day, for several months. However, when various anti-soy blogs present this information, they neglect to mention how much soy these guys were consuming:

In a 2008 case study, a 60-year old male developed enlarged breast issue and erectile dysfunction as a result of drinking 3 quarts of soymilk (12 servings) per day, every day. This guy was consuming a ridiculously large amount of soymilk; only 3-4 servings of calcium-fortified soymilk are needed to achieve 100% RDI of calcium. Here is the abstract of that case study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18558591

In a 2011 case study, a 19-year old male developed erectile dysfunction as a result of consuming 14 servings of soy foods per day. Here is the abstract of that case study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476 (unfortunately, the full text of the study can only be seen by purchasing it).

(Note that, after these men discontinued consuming their massive daily servings of soy, their bodies returned to normal.)




As others have mentioned, there is one special interest group - the Weston A. Price Foundation - that has exerted a tremendous amount of (comical) effort to denigrate soy foods. They are also quite vocal in their opposition to vegan diets.
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Thank you for your comments . I read about that on paleo web , as far as I know pegans eat only soya free dishes and avoid dairy products .
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Thank you for your comments . I read about that on paleo web , as far as I know pegans eat only soya free dishes and avoid dairy products .
What's a pegan? That's a new one to me!

Oh no! It's Mark Hyman!

It's an oxymoron when you say you're something but are something thats completely opposite. Like saying vegan but adding animals and animal products. You're not 'pegan', you're an omnivore, since that diet involves all kinds of meat and eggs.
The paleo diet doesn't involve any beans of any kinds, well, string beans...
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Thank you for your comments . I read about that on paleo web , as far as I know pegans eat only soya free dishes and avoid dairy products .
I've read a little bit about the "pegan" diet (combination of the words "paleo" and "vegan"). Invented by Dr. Mark Hyman, it's intended to be a "pre-agricultural", somewhat vegan diet, consisting mainly of fruits, vegetables, and oil-rich plant foods (nuts, seeds, avocados). It excludes beans and grains (even whole grains). As Silva said, the pegan diet also allows some "naturally-raised" meat, eggs, and fish - this disqualifies it as a vegan diet. I'm reluctant to post Dr. Hyman's original blog about his "pegan" diet, but I'll include it for the sake of good referencing: http://drhyman.com/blog/2014/11/07/pegan-paleo-vegan/

The paleo position against beans has no good foundation. Dr. Hyman claims that beans should be avoided because they cause digestive problems for some people, and because they can cause blood sugar spikes for those with diabetes. Well, no mainstream diabetes organization agrees with Dr. Hyman; the American Diabetes Association strongly encourages diabetics to consume beans and other legumes: http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...uperfoods.html AND http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...d-protein.html . Diabetes UK (the British counterpart to the American Diabetes Association) also encourages people to eat more beans (known as "pulses" in the UK): https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to...s-and-diabetes . The American Heart Association also encourages people (both vegetarian and omnivore) to eat beans and other legumes: https://recipes.heart.org/Articles/1...ns-and-Legumes . And, of course, every mainstream vegan organization recommends that vegans eat beans and lentils. As far as "digestive problems" are concerned, Dr. Hyman isn't very specific on the matter. Is he talking about the exaggerated "fart power" of beans?

This is why I am always reluctant to believe the nutrition opinions of individual physicians - they are at liberty to promote poorly-substantiated ideas, if they so choose. In contrast, mainstream health organizations are comprised of teams of physicians - they are expected to challenge each other's ideas, and provide evidence to back their claims.
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http://www.who.int/topics/diet/en/

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Whatever , I eat soy , I do not eat any animal products but that still does not mean that everything plant-based is awesome ( palm oil clearly is'nt ) and I think that is great when there are vegan foods containing no allergens . Thank you for your comments
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The paleo diet is just stupid.
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Great post. I have always been a bit afraid of soy due to some of these studies and they way they market it.

Mostly, I just try not to only be consuming soy for protein. I love it in many forms, but I try to keep it from getting out of hand. No danger in it unless you get the GMO soy or you go overboard.


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