Join Date: Jul 2016
People who follow a vegan diet to reverse their heart disease or diabetes are avoiding more than animal products. They heavily restrict fats, processed foods, cooking oil and sugar. Their diets aren't veganism, but there are a lot of them and more all the time, and their diets probably spare at least as many animals as do people who are concerned about small animals killed in the oat harvest. And a huge reason that meat and dairy consumption are declining is that more omnivores are seeking out plant-based alternatives to meat. As you say, the animal doesn't care why, only whether, he'll be going under the knife. Which of course is a fallacy too, since every animal born into the system is going to be slaughtered for meat.
When you say veganism isn't about the food but about the animals, consider that more omnivores eating fewer animals results in fewer slaughter animals being bred. All meat avoidance contributes to the same outcome. Your argument against avoiding white sugar could apply equally to leather, gelatin, glue. Flesh is the primary product, and slaughterhouse by-product is a small percentage of the total carcass use. I agree with you about concentrating on the 90 percent of the trade that's concerned about the flesh itself. but I wouldn't be so selective over which slaughter by-products are correct to boycott and which are correct to keep using. That gets you into fertilizer (bone meal, blood meal, manure) territory as well, and veganic farming is not set up to feed the entire population. There are excellent health reasons for avoiding sugar. If people avoid it because of the bone char and end up losing weight and not contracting Type 2 Diabetes, that seems like a change to encourage.
Hello kind people,
This is a post that I hope many will gain a new perspective from or perhaps further cement one that you already had....
I've come to notice something with the "Vegan community" that is concerning to me, and I think it's something that needs to be hashed out and discussed before veganism becomes something which it should never be....
Veganism, to many people have become about food, and not ethics, though I don't think that people are aware that they are committing such a fallacy....
It's really this simple....
We are thus making veganism about food ingredients and not ethics and not about whether or not our food choices cause cruelty and exploitation to animals....
The meat industry does not slaughter cows so that they can remove the color from sugar and make it white, they do so simply because they try and get rid of and use every part of the animals body....
White sugar, as well as many other by products will disappear only when the main industries that breed and slaughter animals cease to exist....
We don't need to be making following an ethical vegan lifestyle anymore difficult, especially if we want hundreds of millions or even billions of people to follow it....
I can assure you, the cows which as I write this are having knives shoved into their throats, don't care much about what they are doing with their bones after the fact....
Do you really think that if everyone stopped eating meat, that slaughterhouses would still be open just so that we can kill them and use their bones to make sugar white? The next time you see a truck transporting cows to a slaughterhouse so that they can use their bones to make sugar white, please let me know....
I apologize for any agitated undertone I may have while writing this....
A similar concern/problem for vegans could also apply when wanting to avoid vegetables grown using fertilisers of animal origin.
Of course your right - it is about ethics and saving animals from cruel exploitation but people have to talk about food - and clothes and personal hygiene products etc and what is in them - we all still have to live in the world while trying to change that world and we don't want to be supporting the thing we are fighting while we do it.
Sugar producers in the Nth America could stop filtering sugar through charred bones now if they wanted too.
CSR refines its white sugar using activated charcoal made from coal.
North and South America do not - they use bones.
I agree it sounds petty to worry about it but where does it stop. Not using the bones won't stop the cattle industry, nor will not using the skins so do we say its ok to wear leather? Where do we draw the line? Meat farmers, dairy farmers chicken farmer etc have to have their businesses made unprofitable to stop them. So unprofitable that they can't even be propped up their governments. To do that I think we need to stop using everything they sell that makes money for them. For many people money talks louder than words but with business people words like "I won't buy your product because it has animal products in it" can talk very loud indeed, so you need to know what is in your food and how it was produced.
I think vegetarian and vegan food ingredients are important things to discuss to be successful at being a vegan (or vegetarian). Most of the newbies here ask about what the can eat to keep a healthy and interesting diet and still be vegan. The food has to be suitably nutritious and tasty and varied or you will get a lot of people just giving up regardless of their ethics. It's very hard for some people and talking about foods that are or are not vegan can be very helpful.
I really appreciate your input, and completely agree.
I find too many new vegans become so obsessed with the origin of foods they risk becoming overwhelmed by what they see fit to use. We get posts of anguish from people who realized too late their last meal was tainted by some form of animal by product, or just realized something was (or may be) from an animal by product, and cry their eyes out with guilt. Not helpful.
Everything dies, and everything lives because of death. More focus should be placed on reducing suffering, and killing, and less on the principled idea of avoiding extraneous by products.
To be totally real, isn't it more vegan to feed our relatives bodies to carnivores rather than fret over boiling bones for gelatin?