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#1 Old 03-01-2017, 07:32 PM
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Is Veganism Ableist? A Disabled Vegan Perspective



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Every time I delve deeper into the disabled twitter-sphere, without fail I come across tweets from the disability community talking about how ableist vegans are. Vegans calling a disabled person a liar when they state that they can not be vegan due to their disability. Vegans telling disabled folk that if they just ate a healthy whole food vegan diet, they would be “cured”. As if said vegans were actual doctors that specialized in that specific disability, and thus were properly educated regarding any possible treatment options (including medications). As if one size fits all and the vegan diet was a solution for every medical situation. As if by default, disability made a person “broken” and in need of fixing / being cured.
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Today is World Wheelchair Day and, with that in mind, I'm re-sharing this important article by Michele Kaplan.
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LOL last week I had an argument on the phone with a vegan about the RSPCA and how they kill dogs cat etc after just 7 days and how they made no effort to resocialise that need it rather than just kill them and how they just "rescued" dogs and cats to kill them 7 fdays later. Any way long story short I told her I was veggie and she told me she was vegan. She asked me if I wanted to volunteer to teach RSPCA people how to resocialise and to write a leaflet to give to people who adopted young dogs on how to handle 6, 12, and 18 month challenges for dominance an how to tell a smiling dog from a snarling dog etc (a dream come true).

I told her I couldn't because I have a white matter (brain) disease which puts holes in my white matter and gives me seizures and mini strokes so I tend to fall over a lot, have trouble putting sentences together, forget names and words and fall down stairs (which I did today - outside in the rain).

She then lectured me for 20min or so on what I should be eating and where I could get it - I gave up saying "I know" and just said "mmmm mmmm". I let her go on until she told me that spirulina would fix the holes in my brain. OK enough. Didn't argue - no point. Just said I had to go.

Vegans can be very insulting to other peoples intelligence. They can be very wrong in there advice (spirulina is good for you but t won't fix holes in your brain - nothing will). I know that there are not too many like that but the ones that do things like that, even though well meaning, give us all a bad reputation

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I have posted about my journey with Veg*nism and Crohn's disease for a long time on this board, and most members here have seen the ups and downs.

I have tried to go vegan about five times but I have never been able to because my form of Crohns is very serious (therapy resistant) and my colon just doesn't digest foods like leafy greens, pulses, and beans. Supplements also do not get digested properly. Stuff you really need to be a healthy vegan.

So yes, I am a vegetarian. But anytime I mention I can't be vegan because of Crohns, there are plenty of vegans ready to tell me that I am making excuses and that everyone can be vegan if they just try hard enough. They even tell me going vegan would cure my disease!

Well I am sorry but a shredded colon (that's what it is) does not get better from eating more beans and leafy greens, it really doesn't.

I found that upsetting too because I know the cruelty behind the dairy industry, but I have no choice in the matter. I would prefer not having a colon like this too. But as long as there is no cure for my illness, other people should stop judging. Because they really don't know.
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#4 Old 03-02-2017, 02:18 AM
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In answer to the thread question - No.

In the definition of vegan/veganism, there's always the qualifier: "as far as is possible and practical".


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Vegans being a minority seem to have all their other traits lumped into the fact that they're vegan.
This isn't about those people being vegan, it's about them being - wrong.
Vegans means you oppose animals being exploited and you do all you can to avoid and change that.

Vegans can be jerks or not jerks

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Seems like a good reason to keep the definition of ethics in vegan.
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Vegans being a minority seem to have all their other traits lumped into the fact that they're vegan.
This isn't about those people being vegan, it's about them being - wrong.
Vegans means you oppose animals being exploited and you do all you can to avoid and change that.

Vegans can be jerks or not jerks
I agree with this regarding some traits, but when vegans are telling people that going vegan would cure their diseases, it's hard to not think that they are only saying that because they are vegan.
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That's why I wish the definition of vegan would stay with the vegan societies clear message. It's like blaming a vegan diet on a babies death because it was only fed beans and rice
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I agree with this regarding some traits, but when vegans are telling people that going vegan would cure their diseases, it's hard to not think that they are only saying that because they are vegan.
I work for the social media accounts of a vegan charity and update their statuses with veg*n news from around the world every day.

The amount of times I see meme's fly by that say Veganism cures cancer, diabetes etc are too many to count. There's also a multitude of fat shaming ones I encounter on a daily basis.

Of course, this does not reflect on veganism at it's core, it's against the essence of veganism which is compassion. But it is also denial to say this isn't a problem in the vegan movement, because it is. Too many people are being harsly attacked and critized for things they cannot control, and it doesn't do the vegan movement any favors.

In fact for me personally I have been on the brink of going full omni a few times after such discussions with veg*ns, only to be held back by compassion for the animals which is why I started my journey. But such memes can be way more shattering than they might seem to someone who is healthy and has not encountered this kind of prejudice on a regular basis.

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I don't like the way this article cites examples of vegans calling disabled people "liars" and saying that they can be "cured" and using a couple of examples of this to question whether veganism is ableist. This is very selective, a few twitter trolls is hardly representative of the vegan community, and I see no evidence that vegans in general are ableist. You also can't judge a community by the social media footprint of the extremer end rather than real life conversations with the typical vegan.

However if you read the full article it is quite well written and better than you would think from this extract shown here. Although not much structure or conclusion to it perhaps. But I think it's worth reading to learn about these experiences.

I see two issues here. Some disabled people may say they can't be vegan as a disabled person because life is hard enough as it is. These people may be physically disabled (e.g. lost a leg in a military accident) but have no particular nutrition reason to not go vegan, just don't want more hassle in an already difficult life. Such people should probably be encouraged to go vegan in theory at least. But in practice it wouldn't be smart to try and push them if they are not interested.

The second thing is people who say they can't be vegan because of some specific condition that is more biological being related to a disease or digestion or nutrition or inability to process certain foods, or something like that. In these cases it's probably better to leave the decision about whether to go vegan to the individuals themselves, using expert advice from professionals if needed.

However again it would be unfair to characterise vegans as hassling such people to go vegan in general. Most of us on the boards steer well clear of the threads that say "I have xxx condition and I can't eat xxxx and I have this other problem and how do I go vegan" because it is beyond the expertise of the average vegan (or vegeterian) to be able to help, which is a shame because in practice a lot of these people are just not going to go and pay for the top level professional guidance of a real expert that they need.
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I have a friend who has Chrons disease who is a lacto-ovo vegetarian who has eaten like ****, as long as I have known him. For example, he often eats cheese pizza or pancakes, and ate like this long before his digestive troubles began. I have never lectured him on the matter, he's a great human being and I'm glad he's vegetarian, but no, I don't think his disorder has anything to do with his diet. I have an acquaintance with similar diagnosed digestive problems and she's vegan. So.

I am a moderate liberal or whatever you might want to call me, because I honestly think "progressive" far left is insane, when it comes to making excuses for people. One example: there are individuals in Western African countries eating endangered wildlife, who apparently introduced HIV and Ebola to the human race, because culturally they still eat PRIMATES. I have seen progressives make excuses for their "culture" and the WHO recommends they "cook bushmeat fully to prevent Ebola". SERIOUSLY???? I find that unacceptable.

I think secular humanism took a profoundly stupid turn somewhere, and I don't think it's good for humans, animals or the planet.

On the other hand, I don't nag disabled people for being vegetarian instead of vegan. If disabled vegetarians were the world's only problem, the world would be a much better place.

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If they were demonstrating any of this with actual studies, it would be a different matter, but they're not, they're just using 'plant based is always best, period."

Now it's true that improving your diet can soften the impacts of many mental illnesses, ease back on chronic inflammation that makes many conditions worse than they would be otherwise, but it's not a cure-all.

Also, even if, for an example, as one study on Google Scholar claims, 90-95% of cancer were *preventable*, that still does not prove that same amount of cancer is *reversible.* Decreasing sugar intake has been shown to help cancer, but some are way more aggressive and fast moving than others.

Even some diseases like autoimmune ones are being linked to the poor state of readily available food. But again, that does not indicate that once they are kicked off, the toothpaste can go back in the tube.
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