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#31 Old 10-24-2016, 10:00 AM
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Yes, Godwin was right. However, I think that its time that we as a society start educating the public on how their attitude towards other people groups - race, diet, sexual orientation, and so on - is exactly how Hitler started out. He only started out disliking the Jews and it grew to hate, discrimination and then finally, murder.

Is society likely to round up Vegans and murder them? No, except those who are allergic to any animal product, is more likely to be murdered if bullied or kissed (leaving out the "or worse" case) or some person blatantly disregarded the "allergy" as being a "non-issue". I still call this murder in my books. And there has been a legal case, where the allergic person won the court case. The person who passed away, was served a fish dish instead of his order. It was a mistake, and the family almost didn't persue it. The family wanted to use the winnings to help educate others. What came out was better staff training at many restaurants in dealing with food allergies - which was what they wanted. Allergic Living Magazine did an article on this. I got the link in my email and can't post it here because its the wrong kind of link. (Special link tied to me.)

Society is most likely only to go so far as to ban us from their restaurants and social gatherings out of fear that they will become "like us". Still, getting along and having peace amongst all, should be the ultimate goal, with them allowing us to exist without them being offended because we exist.
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#32 Old 10-24-2016, 12:50 PM
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Godwins law says as soon as you compare Hitler to anything else the conversation is over.

No, Godwin's Law said more or less the following:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazism or Hitler approaches 1—​​that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism."

There was nothing about the conversation being over, although some discussion groups have such a convention. This is a bit daft because the introduction of Hitler and Nazism as a comparison aid in a debate may be not be inappropriate.
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#33 Old 10-30-2016, 07:10 PM
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No, Godwin's Law said more or less the following:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazism or Hitler approaches 1—​​that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism."

There was nothing about the conversation being over, although some discussion groups have such a convention. This is a bit daft because the introduction of Hitler and Nazism as a comparison aid in a debate may be not be inappropriate.

I appreciate your clarification but I respectfully disagree. Genocide is an ongoing problem in the world, as is racial discrimination, so people always going back to Hitler can limit people intellectually in their grasp of evil in the world. People never say "wow you're such a pilgrim, slaughtering all of those native Americans" or talks about Rwanda, Pol Pot, or the murder of indigenous environmental activists in South America right now.

Also, though occasionally Hitler really is an apt comparison, usually it's used on discussion boards to insult someone of opposing beliefs "vegan Nazis" "no its animal halocaust, meat eater!"..."socialist Nazi" "no Republicans are actually more like Nazis" and so on.

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#34 Old 10-31-2016, 01:11 PM
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I appreciate your clarification but I respectfully disagree. Genocide is an ongoing problem in the world, as is racial discrimination, so people always going back to Hitler can limit people intellectually in their grasp of evil in the world. People never say "wow you're such a pilgrim, slaughtering all of those native Americans" or talks about Rwanda, Pol Pot, or the murder of indigenous environmental activists in South America right now.

Also, though occasionally Hitler really is an apt comparison, usually it's used on discussion boards to insult someone of opposing beliefs "vegan Nazis" "no its animal halocaust, meat eater!"..."socialist Nazi" "no Republicans are actually more like Nazis" and so on.
Hi Thalassa. I've read and reread your post and am not quite sure what I've said that you disagree with?

I don't think that Godwin when he came out with his "law" was saying that mention of Hitler in a debate was necessarily a bad thing (or a good thing either). He was just saying that if a debate goes on long enough, it's an inevitability. There's a million things we can have a discussion about and if one of them is "German militarisation in the 1930s", then to not mention Hitler and the Nazis would be a bit strange. This is why I finished my previous post by saying that such a mention "may not be inappropriate". Of course I fully accept your point that it can very often be very unhelpful and limiting to bring up Hitler/Nazis in discussions but this is taking things outside the scope of Godwin's Law.

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