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#1 Old 07-06-2016, 01:53 AM
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Vegan sleeping problems

Hello, I went vegan about 6 months ago, and around 3 months ago my sleeping patterns went from normal to all over the place. I keep waking up in the middle of the night, have dozens of really intense dreams every night whereas before I rarely remembered any of my dreams, and by waking up so much during the night I end up needing way more sleep than I used to.
Im sleeping 11 hours a day where I used to sleep only 8. If I just try to sleep 8 I end up really tired during the day and need to lay down for an afternoon nap of a couple hours.

My nutrition is the same every day (Im working out intensely, so its easier to track kcal if I eat the same thing every day) and consists of the following:
Meal 1:
135gr oatmeal
400ml soymilk fortified with b12
half of a banana

Meal 2:
280gr whole wheat bread
40gr peanut butter
300ml fortified soymilk

After workout:
100gr white beans
half of a banana

Meal 3:
125gr whole wheat pasta
125gr tomatosauce
175gr broccoli
1 appel or orange or kiwi

Divided throughout the day:
100gr peanuts

I calculated everything from iron, to b12, to calcium, to zinc, etc and it should be all over my recommended daily allowance.


Does anybody have any idea what Im doing wrong, this not sleeping normally is really making me wanna go back to my old diet.

ps: I know for a fact the working out is not responsible for it, because that I have been doing WAY before I went vegan.
I also know that eating the same thing every day isnt responsible for it, because Ive been eating the same thing every day for over a year, it just used to be that the soy milk in my meal plan was normal milk, and I used to eat chicken breast with my pasta meal, had cottage cheese instead of white beans and chicken, eggs, or ham/cheese with my bread instead of peanutbutter.

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While I'd advise you to get in more veggies in general, I don't find anything dietary to cause sleep issues between the two.

Hey, I have to look up metric measures and just found 125 grams is only 1/2 cup pasta. Do you 125 grams DRY?

I'd suggest supplementing more B12 than just relying on the soy milk because while a bit is ok if gotten EVERY day, it's not if you miss, but I'm suggesting thats a reason
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While I'd advise you to get in more veggies in general, I don't find anything dietary to cause sleep issues between the two.

Hey, I have to look up metric measures and just found 125 grams is only 1/2 cup pasta. Do you 125 grams DRY?

I'd suggest supplementing more B12 than just relying on the soy milk because while a bit is ok if gotten EVERY day, it's not if you miss, but I'm suggesting thats a reason
125gr dry pasta yeah (which I cook ofcourse upon which it becomes a lot more). Ive been eating around that quantity my entire life, it equals 427 kcal, why is that weird?

I suppose I could try some more b12, but the soy milk contains 0.38micrograms per 100ml. In theory I should have enough because the 700ml soy milk per day means I take in 2.66 micrograms of b12 per day, while internet sources tell me 2.4 mcg is enough for adults. (also the packaging of the soy milk itself says 15% of daily requirements per 100ml)

And yeah I dont know about the link between diet and these sleep issues, but Ive literally never had trouble sleeping, and adopting a vegan diet 6 months ago is the only variable that changed in my life.
Gonna try taking a vitamin supplement for a month and up my broccoli to 200gr and my white beans to 125gr, and if things dont change and I dont find another possible solution, Im gonna try and see if going back to my old diet resolves the issue I suppose
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Without nit picking, your diet sounds quite comparable to your old one. People have issues of sleep, of skin problems, getting colds and flu, hair loss, all kinds of problems without ANY dietary changes- all the time!

Often diet changes are in conjuction with other, less obvious changes. I'd look beyond diet while also adding improvements.

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More often (and likely) is for people new to plant based diets to not get enough sleep
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I agree completely that it might be something else, but I have no idea what it could be. If the vitamin supps and more veggies dont do anything, I dont really know what else I COULD try other than try and see if my old diet resolves the issues or not

If not, I go back to a vegan diet and keep looking for another solution, if so, then it's pretty safe to assume that this diet was the problem. Im all for eliminating animal suffering as far as is possible and practicable, but borderline insomnia is not something I'm willing to endure.
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Try more beans, lentils, seeds for magnesium; dark leafy greens for calcium. I can't tell if you're going low fat, but that could cause changes, as well as not getting enough calories.

I focused more on your sleeping 11 hours instead of 9 without considering the wakefullness. Quite frankly it could just as easily be an unconscious unwillingness to go vegan that's causing stress, so bringing back animal products and being ok would not be showing a cause and effect
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Try more beans, lentils, seeds for magnesium; dark leafy greens for calcium. I can't tell if you're going low fat, but that could cause changes, as well as not getting enough calories.

I focused more on your sleeping 11 hours instead of 9 without considering the wakefullness. Quite frankly it could just as easily be an unconscious unwillingness to go vegan that's causing stress, so bringing back animal products and being ok would not be showing a cause and effect
Im around 80gr fat intake per day and my total kcal intake is 3400 (my daily requirement including my physical activity is 3050). Ill try and swtich in some lentils instead of some of my peanut intake.

And no, I doubt its that last thing. I really have no problem whatsoever psychologically with this "sacrifice". Some background on my dietary habits...
Like I said, Ive been eating pretty much the same thing for over a year. I didnt particularly like my diet then either. I didnt like stuffing myself with a half kg cottage cheese every day, I didnt like eating pasta and chicken breast every day, I didnt like oatmeal and milk for breakfast every day.
In terms of liking what I eat nothing has changed. I didnt particularly like my old diet, and I dont particularly like my new diet. My current diet gives me the exact same amount of 'satisfaction' as my other diet that contained animal products.
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Im around 80gr fat intake per day and my total kcal intake is 3400 (my daily requirement including my physical activity is 3050). Ill try and swtich in some lentils instead of some of my peanut intake.

And no, I doubt its that last thing. I really have no problem whatsoever psychologically with this "sacrifice". Some background on my dietary habits...
Like I said, Ive been eating pretty much the same thing for over a year. I didnt particularly like my diet then either. I didnt like stuffing myself with a half kg cottage cheese every day, I didnt like eating pasta and chicken breast every day, I didnt like oatmeal and milk for breakfast every day.
In terms of liking what I eat nothing has changed. I didnt particularly like my old diet, and I dont particularly like my new diet. My current diet gives me the exact same amount of 'satisfaction' as my other diet that contained animal products.
Your verbiage of "sacrifice" and "guilt free" butter and meat make it sound otherwise.
Why sacrifice or guilt free if you're not bothered?
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Your verbiage of "sacrifice" and "guilt free" butter and meat make it sound otherwise.
Why sacrifice or guilt free if you're not bothered?
I used the word 'sacrifice' because you saying it might be an unconscious unwillingness to be vegan kind of implies the need to think of this as having sacrificed something. And I dont think ive sacrificed anything. As a matter of fact I wish I wouldve done this ages ago.
Stuffing my face with white beans is less horrible than stuffing my face with cottage cheese after every workout. Same goes for the soy milk that replaced normal milk in my diet. I used to feel bloated by drinking so much milk, but soy milk doesn't have that effect on me.

And the 'guilt-free butter' in that other thread is semi-ironic, its just my form of humor, my way of expressing myself. Its not at all meant seriously. You should definitely not interpret that as Im ridden with feelings of guilt about having consumed animal products all my life or anything.

I went vegan because I consider it not that big of an inconvience for me to abstain from animal products, especially considering the impact it has on the environment. It has little to do with emotion. If emotion was the reason I went vegan, I would do a hell of a lot more than just abstain from animal products. Hence I can say with 99.99999% certainty it is not an unconscious unwillingness to be vegan


ps: That 0.000001% uncertainty is because im agnostic about everything, even my own psychological state, not because there is actually a legitimate chance that I am ridden with guilt

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Ok, and to be fair I try and avoid these kinds of questions because there is no known deficient from avoiding animal products. I do realize there are cases where people have difficulty metabolizing certain nutrients in plant form, but that's pretty rare, and often easily supplemented. Like iron and B12. B12 though takes years to diminish, so it's possible you started at a deficeit.
Have you had bloodwork done lately?

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And how are you tracking calories? From just a quick look it doesn't seem near 3000!
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Ok, and to be fair I try and avoid these kinds of questions because there is no known deficient from avoiding animal products. I do realize there are cases where people have difficulty metabolizing certain nutrients in plant form, but that's pretty rare, and often easily supplemented. Like iron and B12. B12 though takes years to diminish, so it's possible you started at a deficeit.
Have you had bloodwork done lately?

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And how are you tracking calories? From just a quick look it doesn't seem near 3000!
Nope, no bloodwork done in like forever. Im pretty much never sick, last time I went to the doctor was 2 years ago. Suppose I could do that first if the vitamins and extra veggies do nothing

And regarding kcal intake... I weigh out all my meals and calculate every day and supplement a bit extra nuts at night if Im not yet at 3400, so its definitely 3400
See for yourself, I know the values by heart

oats: 361kcal/100gr
soymilk: 39kcal/100gr
wholewheat bread: 246kcal/100gr
peanutbutter: 663kcal/100gr
pasta: 342kcal/100gr
pastasauce: 52kcal/100gr
broccoli: 26kcal/100gr
peanuts: 631kcal/100gr
White beans: 355kcal/100gr
banana: 86kcal/100gr
apple: 54kcal/100gr
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Hi there! As there are so many factors that can affect a person's sleep, I cannot comment on whether it's your diet change or not, but I can tell you that when I went vegan, for the first while I definitely experienced some sleep disruption!! Some nights I just couldn't fall asleep at all, I had so much energy! I definitely attributed this to the diet change, since I seemed to have a boatload more energy in general. Conversely, I also noted that on some days I was extremely tired, probably because a) my body was responding to the days I couldn't sleep, and b) I was detoxing.

Seeing as how you're six months in, I would think (though I'm no expert) that the likelihood of your sleep disruption being diet related is a lot lower, however I've read accounts from people saying that detoxing can happen in stages: i.e.: the first three weeks, then again after a few months, particularly if you were eating a lot of dairy, which has a ton of hormones and can really mess with your system.

Aside from that, once you rule out diet as a contributing factor, I'd look at avoiding computer screens/TV etc for at least two hours before bedtime, and try reading a book before bed instead. Blue light can strongly affect sleep patterns, and many people benefit from avoiding it at night time. In addition, you may also consider valerian supplementation, which is a natural sleep aid, and can promote deeper, more restful sleep.

Best of luck!
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Hi there! As there are so many factors that can affect a person's sleep, I cannot comment on whether it's your diet change or not, but I can tell you that when I went vegan, for the first while I definitely experienced some sleep disruption!! Some nights I just couldn't fall asleep at all, I had so much energy! I definitely attributed this to the diet change, since I seemed to have a boatload more energy in general. Conversely, I also noted that on some days I was extremely tired, probably because a) my body was responding to the days I couldn't sleep, and b) I was detoxing.

Seeing as how you're six months in, I would think (though I'm no expert) that the likelihood of your sleep disruption being diet related is a lot lower, however I've read accounts from people saying that detoxing can happen in stages: i.e.: the first three weeks, then again after a few months, particularly if you were eating a lot of dairy, which has a ton of hormones and can really mess with your system.

Aside from that, once you rule out diet as a contributing factor, I'd look at avoiding computer screens/TV etc for at least two hours before bedtime, and try reading a book before bed instead. Blue light can strongly affect sleep patterns, and many people benefit from avoiding it at night time. In addition, you may also consider valerian supplementation, which is a natural sleep aid, and can promote deeper, more restful sleep.

Best of luck!
Thanks for the response. Ill look into that valerian supplementation thing.

Dont think the computer thing before bed is a factor though. My life since my teens has been my laptop, and never had any trouble sleeping. Would be incredibly surprised that after give or take 14 years of sitting at my screen until I go to bed without any problems, suddenly my body's ability to sleep became susceptible to the influence of blue light
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125gr dry pasta yeah (which I cook ofcourse upon which it becomes a lot more). Ive been eating around that quantity my entire life, it equals 427 kcal, why is that weird?

I suppose I could try some more b12, but the soy milk contains 0.38micrograms per 100ml. In theory I should have enough because the 700ml soy milk per day means I take in 2.66 micrograms of b12 per day, while internet sources tell me 2.4 mcg is enough for adults. (also the packaging of the soy milk itself says 15% of daily requirements per 100ml)

And yeah I dont know about the link between diet and these sleep issues, but Ive literally never had trouble sleeping, and adopting a vegan diet 6 months ago is the only variable that changed in my life.
Gonna try taking a vitamin supplement for a month and up my broccoli to 200gr and my white beans to 125gr, and if things dont change and I dont find another possible solution, Im gonna try and see if going back to my old diet resolves the issue I suppose

You can certainly try this. However, going back to your previous diet isn't the only option, and (judging from your post) probably isn't the option that you prefer.


Please ask your doctor to refer you to a sleep specialist; they are knowledgeable about the many possible causes of insomnia. If you suspect a dietary cause, you can ask your physician to refer to you a Registered Dietitian. Chronic insomnia is serious - I would go straight to the experts.


I think there's a tendency, even among educated people, to believe that meat has some kind of unidentified-yet-potent nutrients that generate strength and health. I think that a more mundane explanation is more likely.


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You can certainly try this. However, going back to your previous diet isn't the only option, and (judging from your post) probably isn't the option that you prefer.


Please ask your doctor to refer you to a sleep specialist; they are knowledgeable about the many possible causes of insomnia. If you suspect a dietary cause, you can ask your physician to refer to you a Registered Dietitian. Chronic insomnia is serious - I would go straight to the experts.


I think there's a tendency, even among educated people, to believe that meat has some kind of unidentified-yet-potent nutrients that generate strength and health. I think that a more mundane explanation is more likely.


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Its not really like actual insomnia. I just keep waking up like 7 times a night and it takes me give or take 10 minutes to fall back to sleep every time. If I stay in my bed and catch up the sleep I lost by waking up in the middle of the night, Im fit all day.

The thing about doctors is... I know how they work... They are going to take blood. That blood is most likely not gonna show anything out of the ordinary, because Im one healthy son of a b*tch. They are going to ask me questions about my life. They're going to hone in on the one significant change, which is my diet. And then they are going to conclude that is most likely the problem. Which is why I'm posting here instead of going to the doctors in the first place.
Rather not waste the money for no reason. Im pretty much sure they're gonna recommend I try going back to my old diet to see if that changes anything, Might as well exhaust my options first, then on my own try what they're gonna advise me anyway and see if any of that has an effect.
If all that doesnt work, then it would be time to go to the doctors office :P

Its most likely just some slow vitamin uptake or whatever and will probably be resolved with vitamin supps. Little annoying to have to take supps, but not the end of the world
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I also know that eating the same thing every day isnt responsible for it, because Ive been eating the same thing every day for over a year, it just used to be that the soy milk in my meal plan was normal milk, and I used to eat chicken breast with my pasta meal, had cottage cheese instead of white beans and chicken, eggs, or ham/cheese with my bread instead of peanutbutter.

I inputted your food information into a nutrition tracker (http://www.cronometer.com). As you stated, it came to about 3400 calories. The nutrition tracker only listed 3 shortfalls: Omega-3 fatty acids (only 50% RDI), the amino acid lysine (only 82% RDI), and the amino acid methionine (94% RDI). You can increase your omega-3 fatty acid intake by substituting walnuts and/or ground flax seeds in place of your peanuts. You can increase your lysine intake by eating a little more beans.


Please see what a sleep-specialist physician can do for you! Good luck!

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I inputted your food information into a nutrition tracker (http://www.cronometer.com). As you stated, it came to about 3400 calories. The nutrition tracker only listed 3 shortfalls: Omega-3 fatty acids (only 50% RDI), the amino acid lysine (only 82% RDI), and the amino acid methionine (94% RDI). You can increase your omega-3 fatty acid intake by substituting walnuts and/or ground flax seeds in place of your peanuts. You can increase your lysine intake by eating a little more beans. You can increase your lysine intake by eating a little more whole grains. (This is why mainstream vegan organizations recommend that people include some beans and whole grains at every meal).
Awesome, thank you, Ill try that before the vitamin supps then
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The thing about doctors is... I know how they work... They are going to take blood. That blood is most likely not gonna show anything out of the ordinary, because Im one healthy son of a b*tch. They are going to ask me questions about my life. They're going to hone in on the one significant change, which is my diet. And then they are going to conclude that is most likely the problem. Which is why I'm posting here instead of going to the doctors in the first place.

You've got to give physicians a little more credit, Robobo. A sleep-specialist physician will certainly do more than take blood samples. These people are smarter than you might believe. They are certainly more knowledgeable about sleep problems than we are. Give it a try. Good luck!


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You've got to give physicians a little more credit, Robobo. A sleep-specialist physician will certainly do more than take blood samples. These people are smarter than you might believe. They are certainly more knowledgeable about sleep problems than we are. Give it a try. Good luck!


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Dont know where you are from, but where I live veganism and doctors dont mix well. Me saying I went vegan 6 months ago and started having problems 3 months ago will stick out like a sore thumb to them, regular and sleep physician alike.
Doctors may know a lot about a lot of things related to health, but Ive been doing weightlifting for over 5 years and in the process have gotten to be relatively knowledgable about nutrition. And some of the things Ive heard doctors say about nutrition, led me to conclude that nutrition education is but a small part in their education plan (a suspicion which I later confirmed by actually looking up their curriculum in the universities in my country)

Allow me to illustrate: my sister in law who happens to be a doctor aswell, one of the first things she told me when I went vegan: "make sure you get enough protein". Facepalm of the century -_-
If I told her now Im having sleeping problems, there's not even the remotest doubt she will attribute that to my diet and Im positive my own doctor would aswell. Which I cant really blame them for, because Im kinda thinking Im lacking something aswell. It makes the most sense
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Dont know where you are from, but where I live veganism and doctors dont mix well. Me saying I went vegan 6 months ago and started having problems 3 months ago will stick out like a sore thumb to them, regular and sleep physician alike.
Doctors may know a lot about a lot of things related to health, but Ive been doing weightlifting for over 5 years and in the process have gotten to be relatively knowledgable about nutrition. And some of the things Ive heard doctors say about nutrition, led me to conclude that nutrition education is but a small part in their education plan (a suspicion which I later confirmed by actually looking up their curriculum in the universities in my country)

Allow me to illustrate: my sister in law who happens to be a doctor aswell, one of the first things she told me when I went vegan: "make sure you get enough protein". Facepalm of the century -_-
If I told her now Im having sleeping problems, there's not even the remotest doubt she will attribute that to my diet and Im positive my own doctor would aswell. Which I cant really blame them for, because Im kinda thinking Im lacking something aswell. It makes the most sense

I agree - physicians are not trained in nutrition.

I still think that a sleep-specialist physician could help you with your wakefulness issue.

For reliable nutrition information, what you want is a Registered Dietitian; their entire university education is in nutrition and biology. If you like, you can choose to see a Registered Dietitian who specializes in vegetarian & vegan nutrition.

In the United States, you can find a local Registered Dietitian through this website: http://www.eatright.org . Just click on the "Find an Expert" button, located in the upper-right-hand portion of the webpage.

In the U.K., you can find a local Registered Dietitian on the Freelance Dietitians website: http://www.freelancedietitians.org/

In New Zealand, you can find a local Registered Dietitian through the Dietitians New Zealand website: http://dietitians.org.nz/find-a-dietitian/

In Canada, you can find a local Registered Dietitian at the Dietitians of Canada website: http://www.dietitians.ca/Find-a-Dietitian.aspx .

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First see what an upped omega 3 intake does, and potentially some vitamin supplements if that doesnt work
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That seems like a rather calorie restricted diet for someone who is "working out intensely." Reading it, I would say "eat more food."
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That seems like a rather calorie restricted diet for someone who is "working out intensely." Reading it, I would say "eat more food."
Im at a kcalsurplus of 350kcal and have gained 4kg of body mass over the course of the 6 months since I turned vegan. Definitely not calorierestricted
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Hello, I went vegan about 6 months ago, and around 3 months ago my sleeping patterns went from normal to all over the place. I keep waking up in the middle of the night, have dozens of really intense dreams every night whereas before I rarely remembered any of my dreams, and by waking up so much during the night I end up needing way more sleep than I used to.
Im sleeping 11 hours a day where I used to sleep only 8. If I just try to sleep 8 I end up really tired during the day and need to lay down for an afternoon nap of a couple hours.

My nutrition is the same every day (Im working out intensely, so its easier to track kcal if I eat the same thing every day) and consists of the following:
Meal 1:
135gr oatmeal
400ml soymilk fortified with b12
half of a banana

Meal 2:
280gr whole wheat bread
40gr peanut butter
300ml fortified soymilk

After workout:
100gr white beans
half of a banana

Meal 3:
125gr whole wheat pasta
125gr tomatosauce
175gr broccoli
1 appel or orange or kiwi

Divided throughout the day:
100gr peanuts

I calculated everything from iron, to b12, to calcium, to zinc, etc and it should be all over my recommended daily allowance.


Does anybody have any idea what Im doing wrong, this not sleeping normally is really making me wanna go back to my old diet.

ps: I know for a fact the working out is not responsible for it, because that I have been doing WAY before I went vegan.
I also know that eating the same thing every day isnt responsible for it, because Ive been eating the same thing every day for over a year, it just used to be that the soy milk in my meal plan was normal milk, and I used to eat chicken breast with my pasta meal, had cottage cheese instead of white beans and chicken, eggs, or ham/cheese with my bread instead of peanutbutter.
My first guess is are you taking any supplements for bulking up, like creatine? That or a medication is my first guess.

My guess is magnesium deficiency, if it is a dietary issue. Vegans and omnivores alike can be deficient, and it affects sleep. Your peanuts are a good source, but eat your greens! If you are lucky enough to live near the ocean, a good soak in the water gives you magnesium, too. If you are a young person with decent nutrition (fruits and veggies!), then magnesium deficiency is unlikely.

Edit: if you are taking melatonin for sleep, it is known to cause vivid dreams.
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My first guess is are you taking any supplements for bulking up, like creatine? That or a medication is my first guess.

My guess is magnesium deficiency, if it is a dietary issue. Vegans and omnivores alike can be deficient, and it affects sleep. Your peanuts are a good source, but eat your greens! If you are lucky enough to live near the ocean, a good soak in the water gives you magnesium, too. If you are a young person with decent nutrition (fruits and veggies!), then magnesium deficiency is unlikely.

Edit: if you are taking melatonin for sleep, it is known to cause vivid dreams.
No, I'm not taking any supplements whatsoever. Same for medication and melatonin. The only thing I put in my body is what I wrote down in my first post.
And unfortunately the nearest ocean is a 4+ hour drive
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Same problem here. It all started 4 months ago, just 1 month after going vegan. Suddenly, one night i woke up multiple times and had vivid dreams.
Unfortunately, the problem became gradually bigger as I wake up more times now, almost every hour and sometimes (usually between 07:00 and 10:00) every few minutes. Most of the times i go easily back to sleep, but that doesn't make the quality of my sleep good.
4 days after my sleep changed, i went back to my normal diet and quit veganism. However, nothing has changed. It' s really scary! It happens every night and i never had sleep problems before. The truth is that i had stress about one month before it first happened, but not too much and not that particular period of time.
Any update or advice, would be really helpful. I hope your sleep has improved over these years.

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I have a sleep disorder. I don't know what its called and I have gone to see multiple doctors about it. but I have a few things you could try.

First off, I fall asleep each night within 10 minutes of my head hitting the pillow. My problem is that I wake up and cannot fall back to sleep. If I go to bed at midnight I will sleep to about 6 or 630. and I wake up and I'm fine. but sometimes I'm tired in the evenings and go to bed earlier. or even worse, if I fall asleep while reading or watching Tv. I kept a log book for a while and I figured that each hour before midnight counts like 2 after midnight. So if I go to sleep at 10 pm, I wake up at 2 or 230. And I'm wide awake. sometimes I can't believe it isn't later. Then the next day at 10, I have been up for 19 or so hours and can barely keep my eyes open.

After about 5 years of this, I learned about melatonin. and I found that just 1 mg of sublingual mg helps me stay asleep. but still, the best thing for me is just staying up later.

So my first suggestion is to try some melatonin. Get the sublingual kind. I like the liquid form but the little pills seem to be just as effective. the other kinds don't seem to work at all. No more than 3 mg. I find 1mg to be adequate.

Over the years I've read just about every article on sleep disorders. the following seems to be the most common solutions.

Minimize the amount of screen time after dinner. especially an hour before bed. Something about the light coming out of screens disrupts sleep patterns.

Don't snack after dinner. and eat your dinner earlier.

Don't exercise in the evenings.

Avoid caffeine in the PM. At least cut-out caffeine after 3 pm. 1 pm might even be better.

Make your bedroom as dark and quiet as possible. turn off the things that beep or blink or glow. An eye mask and ear plugs might be necessary. Or a white noise generator

For me, if I avoid afternoon caffeine, get some exercise, get some sunshine, fresh air, eat an early dinner, and stay up till at least 11, I will sleep thru the whole night. If I screw up and wake up too early, then the next day I'm too tired to stay up late, and the cycle continues. I find the melatonin can get me back on track.

I don't like the idea of taking the melatonin every night so I don't, but my doctor said that it has no known adverse side effects.
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Edit: if you are taking melatonin for sleep, it is known to cause vivid dreams.
Oh. I think that explains some stuff.
I thought it was the medical marijuana.

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