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#31 Old 05-03-2016, 02:26 PM
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FYI we already only cook using coconut oil and more often than not we don't use any cooking oils at all, and anyway our Omega 6 score came back perfect so i don't think we could be doing any more to help our ratio without either supplementing DHA/EPA or getting DHA/EPA from a food source.

I really hope that there are scientists and researchers out there working on this stuff right now so that the Vegan community can be given a definitive answer on all this in the near future, until then i just don't think i'm going to be happy guessing when it comes to my family's health.
This tells me there may be some underlying health problems affecting your conversion rates. Diabetes and metabolic disorders can muck up conversion rates, but both of the articles I linked came to the conclusion that in healthy people ALA is sufficient.
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Also, have you just tried capsules or have you tried drops as well? Supplements aren't very well regulated, so although you may have experienced reactions with some algae based supplements, it doesn't mean you will with all of them. There were at least 10 there in the first article, plus Dr. Fuhrman, who you repeatedly cite, has one of his own that he sells in drop form.

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@David3 thanks for your reply but i'm looking at a box of organic truly free range Daylesford eggs and they say just one of their eggs provides the following, although i'm obviously not looking for eggs to provide my full Vitamin D quota anyway, if it can contribute towards it though then great.

Protein12.5g
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Vitamin B122.5µg 100%
Vitamin D1.8µg 36%
Oh, so you are buying eggs now?
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Can we move this to the compost heap? I don't want to discuss chicken eggs in the vegan forum.
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I'd like to see links to Dr Greger giving the advice you state. I can;t find him advising anywhere take adults supplement 250 mcg of b12. His advice is to take 4-7 mcg cynocobalamin, and somewhat more of methyl daily. That's standard.
I also can't find him recommending vegans supplement DHA, but to consume omega 3 from chia, flax, and seaweeds.

And why are you caught up with mega doses of b12 or anything else? There are perfectly good supplements formulated for children, as well as loads of foods.
Silk makes a soy milk with 32mg algael DHA that also has 50% b12 in a cup. House tofu has one that also has 32 mg of algael DHA. There are spaghetti sauces with DHA

This website may shed more light on what's available:
http://www.lifesdha.com/

And please refrain from posting in the vegan section advocating egg consumption
I'm moving this to the General health section
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And please refrain from posting in the vegan section advocating egg consumption
I'm moving this to the General health section
Thank you for moving it Silva.

No offense @jhothehornet , but it feels like you're trying to find reasons to eat eggs at this point. You've argued all of us down and responded to every well meaning post with "misinformation" or "this confirms my suspicions," despite many of the articles and information leading to opposite conclusions. I honestly think that if you're having problems with conversion you need to get a battery of tests done to find out why, as that definitely isn't normal.

If you want to eat eggs, eat eggs, but if absolutely no advice is going to sway you, then why did you post this in the vegan forum and not General Health to begin with?

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That test is $131.00! That's only one test- doesn't include the follow up you'd need to check changes, and not covered by insurance (in America at least)

I completely understand when people are new to plant based diets being afraid of not getting what they need from plant sources, but this one really seems bent on eating eggs to begin with. With all the reference sources they still managed to give statements that just aren't right.

I also wonder why they think hens can get DHA from flax if they can't? And how it gets into breastmilk?

I'll admit I worry about it myself, so I get fortified foods, eat chia and flax, and buy supplements like Ovega 3 now and then. The thing is, it's really only available in sea sources and I've never liked fish anyway, nor seaweed-- except for the roasted, salty, seaweed snacks, and I doubt they count for DHA. I wonder....
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If i or my children were to take 100mcg of cyanocobalamin a day that would still equate to 4000 times the recommended daily value, i still think even that might be extreme for a small child, with that in mind as i said i'm just not sure about using my children as guinea pigs when there isn't the conclusive research out there about the long term effects of that kind of level of supplementation to put my mind at rest.




It's actually not 4000 times the recommended value. The label says 4000%, which is 40 times the recommended value. This seems like a lot, but remember that only about 10 mcg of a 500 mcg dose of B12 is actually absorbed: https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Vi...ofessional/#h1
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@Beautiful Joe really appreciate your detailed reply, thank you. My wife grew up in the countryside and looked after chickens all her life so she knows what's involved, we appreciate it's a big responsibility, but we're just trying to get our DHA/EPA levels where they should be without having to resort to eating fish.

Just out of curiosity do you consume your chickens eggs? If not may i ask what you do to get enough DHA/EPA in your diet?
No, I don't eat the eggs. I did for a while, but the closer I got to the fowl, the less inclined I was to like eating the eggs, and now I've been at the point of feeling repulsed by the very idea for quite a while.

The chickens range in age from two years to eight, and I find a chicken egg only once every couple of weeks or so. Seven of the ducks are under two years old, so they are the only ones who are laying regularly.

I eat a variety of plant based foods. When I remember, I take a B12 supplement (about once or twice a week). I don't agonize over what I eat or how much, or worry about combining foods, or any of the stuff that so many on here seem to spend so much time and energy worrying about, and I'm as healthy as the proverbial horse. I'm sixty, have been meat free going on three decades, and largely plant based for about a decade. (I don't call myself vegan because I don't check trace ingredients when eating out (seldom) or eating processed foods (also seldom).)
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Oh, so you are buying eggs now?
No, i was looking what the contents of different eggs were online, so we could see what we could achieve with our own hens. Thanks for your concern.
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I'd like to see links to Dr Greger giving the advice you state. I can;t find him advising anywhere take adults supplement 250 mcg of b12. His advice is to take 4-7 mcg cynocobalamin, and somewhat more of methyl daily. That's standard.
I also can't find him recommending vegans supplement DHA, but to consume omega 3 from chia, flax, and seaweeds.

And why are you caught up with mega doses of b12 or anything else? There are perfectly good supplements formulated for children, as well as loads of foods.
Silk makes a soy milk with 32mg algael DHA that also has 50% b12 in a cup. House tofu has one that also has 32 mg of algael DHA. There are spaghetti sauces with DHA

This website may shed more light on what's available:
http://www.lifesdha.com/

And please refrain from posting in the vegan section advocating egg consumption
I'm moving this to the General health section
Why move it? What is the point in having a vegan message board if a genuine vegan is experiencing health problems and has gotten blood tests back showing blatant deficiencies that are very likely related to the vegan diet (i don't consume any DHA/EPA directly and my DHA/EPA levels are dangerously low, funny that) and then he's not allowed to openly discuss those concerns? I'm sure there was a time when vegans refused to discuss B12 yet now it is widely accepted that we must supplement it, yet now you're being narrow minded about DHA/EPA even though it is clearly an issue for potentially a large percentage of the vegan population.

What would you prefer that i stay sick? Really disappointed with this community, had hoped for more. I literally gag and almost cry at the thought of having to eat eggs, but like i said i have tried three different supplements and have had bad reactions to all of them, and for that i am to be discarded? Just because i can't tolerate marine algae made in a factory somewhere. How ridiculous, you should all take a long hard look at yourselves, and maybe be as compassionate and kind to humans as you are to animals.

@Aliakai nearly every study i've read shows that DHA/EPA levels are often much reduced in vegans, and the articles YOU SENT ME even refer to some of those studies, and i quote the articles YOU SENT ME.

"The main concern is with the possibility of cognitive problems in vegetarians due to long-term DHA deficiency."
"Vegans who are not supplementing have an intake of essentially no EPA and DHA."
"Vegans and vegetarians have been shown in many studies to have lower levels of long chain omega-3 fatty acids (EPA and DHA) than meat eaters."
"Lower blood levels of EPA and, especially, DHA in vegetarians doesn't necessarily mean that they have lower levels of EPA or DHA in other tissues, but it is something to be careful about until more is known."
"Joel Fuhrman, MD, has a private practice seeing many long-term vegans and has observed some older vegan men with very low DHA levels and cognitive problems, so there is reason to be prudent regarding DHA in older vegans, especially men."
"A 1999 study (Table 5) of 17 vegetarian men in Australia (15), aged about 26 to 42 years old, showed that four weeks of 3.7 g of ALA per day (the equivalent of about 1.5 teaspoons of flaxseed oil) did not significantly increase the percentages of EPA or DHA in the blood."
"A 2000 study from The Netherlands (20) showed no change in EPA or DHA after 4 weeks of 2.0 g of ALA per day"


I could go on but i won't. How you could be annoyed with me for reading and acknowleding the advice YOU SENT ME is quite frankly bizarre.

Aside, the fact remains mine and my wife's levels ARE extremely low, that's the point isn't it? The entire article from the dieticians YOU SENT ME acknowledges that balancing the Omega 6:3 ratio is a real issue for vegans and we have already tried just about all the things they've suggested over the last three months, no cooking oils, loads of chia/flax etc.

@silva to answer your hurtful comments, here is the link and direct quotes from Dr Greger from nutritionfacts.org in his list of what he believes vegans must take to make up for what he feels is lacking from the vegan diet, scientifically speaking.

http://nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/12...commendations/

"Omega-3 Fatty Acids 250 mg daily of pollutant free (yeast- or algae-derived) long-chain omega-3’s (EPA/DHA)"

"At least 2,500 mcg (µg) cyanocobalamin once each week, ideally as a chewable, sublingual, or liquid supplement taken on an empty stomach or at least 250 mcg daily of supplemental cyanocobalamin"


FYI re human breast milk, studies show DHA/EPA levels in vegan mothers were 66% lower

As for the soy milk, i appreciate the suggestion but i'm sorry 32mg of fortified soy milk is not going to reverse my deficiency, and again it's widely known that we're not meant to consume a lot of soy milk.

To those of you that were helpful and open to having a healthy debate on an important subject that could potentially effect all our health, THANK YOU, as for the rest of you i'd ask you to ponder this, the vegan diet is never going to spread worldwide like we would all like it to, if people are so narrow minded and negative towards people who just want to discuss its possible areas of weakness.

Greetings from the 'compost heap'
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What would you prefer that i stay sick? Really disappointed with this community, had hoped for more. I almost cry at the thought of having to eat eggs, like i said i have tried three different supplements and have had bad reactions to all of them, and for that i am to be discarded? Just because i can't tolerate marine algae. How ridiculous you should all take a long hard look at yourselves, and maybe be as compassionate and kind to humans as you are to animals.

Thanks for the support those people that were supportive, as for the rest of you, the vegan diet is never going to spread worldwide like i would like it to, if people are so narrow minded and negative towards people who at least want to discuss its possible areas of weakness.
I have been following this thread and it has taken a disturbing turn, for me at least. Like the original poster I am trying to adopt the vegan diet, but my health has been compromised. My plan was to eat as close to the vegan diet as possible, still is my plan in fact. I came here for support, but now I am starting to feel as though I may not be exactly welcome.

jhothehornet, you must do what it takes to keep your family healthy. We are all unique individuals and our nutritional needs vary. You seem genuine to me and I feel your frustration. I started to follow the vegetarian forum, but I still have a sense of not being in the right place.....

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For a vegan story of ill health and how she recovered please check out this blog. She doesn't pull the punches on criticising the vegan community or health care providers - it's eye opening and hopeful.
http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/2013/01/f...-a-vegan-diet/

I'm a vegetarian with a range of health issues that I've talked about elsewhere. I'm working towards a vegan diet and it's slow but I'm eating more and more vegan as time goes by. I've found both vegetarians and vegans on this site to be (in the majority) informed and supportive.

So I think the advice here has been well meaning and the concerns raised seem perfectly valid to me (I'm a vegetarian for the time being - but am moving more and more towards a vegan diet) - jhothehornet has shot down all the advice and said that eggs are the answer - which is fine but this is the vegan forum (the vegetarian forum might have been more appropriate). We've suggested nutritionists and second opinions which you don't seem keen on.

Health is paramount - no one has suggested that you compromise your health only asked that you consider some other options (I am amazed that you have had all these tests on the NHS - I have to fight to get D levels checked and I have a medical condition that means they should check them as a matter of course). If you react badly to all the supplements out there then yes of course you have to look at changing your diet - but you've not shared what you mean by not tolerating them.
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"Shot down"? I've merely politely responded with science based research, what do you want me to do just roll over like a puppy?

"Nutritionists and second opinions" I've already said i've seen multiple nutritionists and doctors, i even went to the lengths of finding a vegan nutritionist, and they've all said that given my results and what i've already tried over the last three months if i can't get what i need from a supplement then i need to get it from a food source. NB i personally paid for this test TWICE! Once three months ago, i then made all the recommended changes, and three months later my score was no better.

"You've not shared what you mean by not tolerating them" - Yes i have, within an hour of taking them my heart begins to race, i get heart palpitations and then i can't sleep that night, insomnia etc. Which i've been told is quite common with Omega 3 supplements and would be a reason to stop taking them.

"The vegetarian forum might have been more appropriate" - As it stands i am a vegan, and if i'd posted my dilemma in the vegetarian forum i'm gonna take a wild guess here but i don't think the vegetarians would have really understood where i was coming from and would have just told me to go ahead and eat the eggs, when the decision isn't as easy as that for me.

Thanks for sharing the article, i can definitely relate to how she was left feeling about the vegan community, but in my defence her problem turned out to be cholesterol and protein both of which can of course be reversed within the realms of the vegan diet, she was sure to eat more protein with every meal etc. Where as in my case without DHA/EPA supplementation (that i can't tolerate) it appears DHA/EPA levels can not be reversed sufficiently.

"A 1999 study (Table 5) of 17 vegetarian men in Australia (15), aged about 26 to 42 years old, showed that four weeks of 3.7 g of ALA per day (the equivalent of about 1.5 teaspoons of flaxseed oil) did not significantly increase the percentages of EPA or DHA in the blood."

"A 2000 study from The Netherlands (20) showed no change in EPA or DHA after 4 weeks of 2.0 g of ALA per day"

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I'm a vegetarian with a range of health issues that I've talked about elsewhere. I'm working towards a vegan diet and it's slow but I'm eating more and more vegan as time goes by. I've found both vegetarians and vegans on this site to be (in the majority) informed and supportive.

So I think the advice here has been well meaning and the concerns raised seem perfectly valid to me (I'm a vegetarian for the time being - but am moving more and more towards a vegan diet) - jhothehornet has shot down all the advice and said that eggs are the answer - which is fine but this is the vegan forum (the vegetarian forum might have been more appropriate). We've suggested nutritionists and second opinions which you don't seem keen on.

Health is paramount - no one has suggested that you compromise your health only asked that you consider some other options (I am amazed that you have had all these tests on the NHS - I have to fight to get D levels checked and I have a medical condition that means they should check them as a matter of course). If you react badly to all the supplements out there then yes of course you have to look at changing your diet - but you've not shared what you mean by not tolerating them.

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For a vegan story of ill health and how she recovered please check out this blog. She doesn't pull the punches on criticising the vegan community or health care providers - it's eye opening and hopeful.
http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/2013/01/f...-a-vegan-diet/

This is the vegan forum (the vegetarian forum might have been more appropriate).
Thank-you for the link, Shallot. I read this blog from end to end, in fact I am subscribed. You are right, it is eye-opening and hopeful.

The reason I joined this board was because it was named "veggie boards." I was under the assumption that it was a community under one large umbrella of like minded people. I understand that there are different forums for different lifestyles, but aren't we all here to support one another for the greater cause?

I am confused I suppose, this world needs more kindness....
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Thank-you for the link, Shallot. I read this blog from end to end, in fact I am subscribed. You are right, it is eye-opening and hopeful.

The reason I joined this board was because it was named "veggie boards." I was under the assumption that it was a community under one large umbrella of like minded people. I understand that there are different forums for different lifestyles, but aren't we all here to support one another for the greater cause?

I am confused I suppose, this world needs more kindness....
As vegetarians (I'm not vegan either) we are completely welcome to post here.
It's not unreasonable however that posters in the vegan forum refrain from advocating non-vegan diet and lifestyle. Just as it's not unreasonable that posters on the board as a whole refrain from advocating meat eating.

In fact I was considering flagging this thread up and seeing if it could be moved to the health forums.
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There had to be a more eloquent way to make this request.
Hi Ella

To be fair, the forum Ledboots was requesting this thread be moved to is, indeed, called The Compost Heap. It wasn't meant as an insult. Promoting eating eggs/dairy/other non-vegan food items is not allowed in the Vegan Support Forum.

I can understand why the OP, as a vegan, posted here but it would probably have been better to have posted in the General Health forum. As the thread seems to be getting a little heated then the Mods may feel The Compost Heap is more appropriate. I must admit "The Compost Heap" is a bit of an unfortunate name
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The OP has stated that he and his wife are experiencing medical / nutrition problems, and that physicians and dietitians have so far been unable to provide a solution that is satisfactory to them.

However, we here at VeggieBoards are LESS qualified than Registered Dietitians. We are less qualified to truly evaluate and examine the people involved, and so we are LESS able to provide the best solution.

For the good for the OP, I call on the moderators to firmly instruct the OP to continue to seek help from qualified nutrition and medical professionals, not from this forum.

Moreover, the thinly-veiled passive-aggression, from both sides, is tiresome. The hostility is palpable, and I suspect that certain individuals are getting off on it.
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As vegetarians (I'm not vegan either) we are completely welcome to post here.
It's not unreasonable however that posters in the vegan forum refrain from advocating non-vegan diet and lifestyle. Just as it's not unreasonable that posters on the board as a whole refrain from advocating meat eating.

In fact I was considering flagging this thread up and seeing if it could be moved to the health forums.
Hi, Spudulika, thank-you for your thoughts, I do hope I haven't stepped on too many toes, especially being so new to the forum and all. I think the original poster did state that he is in fact vegan and was looking for thoughts and ideas from other vegans in dealing with a health issue, one that maybe vegetarians could not help him with. His post caught my eye immediately because I too am at a crossroads. This is why I subscribed to his thread. I did start to feel as though he was being made to feel uncomfortable, which in turn made me feel the same way.

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Hi Ella

To be fair, the forum Ledboots was requesting this thread be moved to is, indeed, called The Compost Heap. It wasn't meant as an insult. Promoting eating eggs/dairy/other non-vegan food items is not allowed in the Vegan Support Forum.

I can understand why the OP, as a vegan, posted here but it would probably have been better to have posted in the General Health forum. As the thread seems to be getting a little heated then the Mods may feel The Compost Heap is more appropriate. I must admit "The Compost Heap" is a bit of an unfortunate name
Oh my, I feel terrible. I am so sorry for not making a more informed comment. I would like to make a sincere apology to Ledboots. Yes, I was not aware that there was actually a thread called "The Compost Heap."
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The OP has stated that he and his wife are experiencing medical / nutrition problems, and that physicians and dietitians have so far been unable to provide a solution that is satisfactory to them.

However, we here at VeggieBoards are LESS qualified than Registered Dietitians. We are less qualified to truly evaluate and examine the people involved, and so we are LESS able to provide the best solution.

For the good for the OP, I call on the moderators to firmly instruct the OP to continue to seek help from qualified nutrition and medical professionals, not from this forum.

Moreover, the thinly-veiled passive-aggression, from both sides, is tiresome. The hostility is palpable, and I suspect that certain individuals are getting off on it.
So sorry, David. I will leave now.

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I wasn't here seeking medical advice per se, i was here seeking 'counsel' i guess from what i thought was my own community. It's a tough situation i find myself in, and i don't know who could relate really other than other vegans.

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The OP has stated that he and his wife are experiencing medical / nutrition problems, and that physicians and dietitians have so far been unable to provide a solution that is satisfactory to them.

However, we here at VeggieBoards are LESS qualified than Registered Dietitians. We are less qualified to truly evaluate and examine the people involved, and so we are LESS able to provide the best solution.

For the good for the OP, I call on the moderators to firmly instruct the OP to continue to seek help from qualified nutrition and medical professionals, not from this forum.

Moreover, the thinly-veiled passive-aggression, from both sides, is tiresome. The hostility is palpable, and I suspect that certain individuals are getting off on it.

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Hi, Spudulika, thank-you for your thoughts, I do hope I haven't stepped on too many toes, especially being so new to the forum and all. I think the original poster did state that he is in fact vegan and was looking for thoughts and ideas from other vegans in dealing with a health issue, one that maybe vegetarians could not help him with. His post caught my eye immediately because I too am at a crossroads. This is why I subscribed to his thread. I did start to feel as though he was being made to feel uncomfortable, which in turn made me feel the same way.



Oh my, I feel terrible. I am so sorry for not making a more informed comment. I would like to make a sincere apology to Ledboots. Yes, I was not aware that there was actually a thread called "The Compost Heap."
Ella, don't leave the forum. It can be easy for written communication to come across 'skewed' - I'm pretty certain you haven't upset anyone here!
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#54 Old 05-04-2016, 09:40 AM
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I had intended to move this thread to general health a while back and don't know why that didn't happen. It's gone too far for even that, so I'm closing the thread at least for a time for moderators to discuss whether to move to compost or keep it closed.
Eveery one is welcome in all forums and expected to respect the rules of the forum which are clearly written in the quidelines
No posts in the vegetarian forum against eggs or dairy
No mention advocating animal products i the vegan forum
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