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#1 Old 04-16-2016, 02:40 AM
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Could someone share their knowledge??

Hi, im from ireland and for two years now i have been vegan. But when i say vegan, i mean 99% of the time i eat no animal products whatsoever, but on occasion, say easter which was recently, i would consume say a homemade cake etc. that is not vegan. I dont feel guilty about it either, because ireland is primarily a farming country, and i know that farmers actually care for their animals, even whilst exploiting them.

But i feel naive believing this and was hoping that someone would know if ireland is just as bad as any other country? If so I would stop immediately, but right now i just lack the care because i think its not cruel
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#2 Old 04-16-2016, 08:11 AM
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Hi April,

99% vegan is extremely good, I would say!!

As for the idea of humanely-produced dairy products and eggs, I don't believe that such a thing is economically-possible (which is why I'm also vegan).

Even small-scale dairy production involves violence towards animals. As with all other mammals, a cow will only produce milk if she gives birth to a calf. If that calf is male, it will be sold for veal or beef production. And, in order for that cow to continue to produce milk throughout her life, she must continue to give birth to additional calves. This is openly discussed on dairy-production websites:

Also, when a cow's milk production begins to decline (which may happen long before the end of her natural lifespan), an economic decision is made to send that cow off for slaughter. This is not done to be cruel - it's simply not considered cost-effective to continue to feed / house that cow, when she is no longer producing any product.


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#3 Old 04-16-2016, 08:48 AM
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While I have not looked into issues and laws specific to Ireland, there are aspects of commercial animal agriculture that can be applied universally. Animal agriculture is a business and for a business to be profitable, it has to be run a certain way.

When it comes to dairy, every time a person consumes it, there is a calf that is not. Like humans, cows only produce milk to feed their young. For the cow to continue to produce milk, she must be impregnated continuously. Otherwise, like a human, she would stop producing the milk. Every single dairy cow has had their child taken away from them, multiple times. Female calfs become dairy cows like their mother, male calfs become veal. There is nothing humane about that.

When it comes to eggs, wild chickens only lay about 10-15 eggs per year. They do this for the purpose of reproduction and in the wild only do this during breeding season. It is a very energy intensive process that takes a toll on the body. In the egg industry, they have been bred and their environments developed so they will lay closer to 300. This obviously takes a toll on the chicken's body.

And when it comes to meat, there is nothing humane about the unnecessary slaughter of animals. I don't think much more needs to be said about that.

When it comes down to it, in the developed world, there is no need to consume animal products to be healthy and meet nutritional needs. So any consumption of animals products is unnecessary exploitation. It is taking away their freedom and contributing to their suffering in the name of tradition and pleasure.
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If you google Irish slaughterhouses you will see what happens to the ex dairy cows and former egg laying chickens

Sadly no matter how well they are treated, because they are used for a commercial purpose the animals need to make the farmers a profit and so are slaughtered when their bodies either can no longer get pregnant or produce less eggs, even though they are only halfway or less through their usual lifespan. Male chicks are usually ground up or gassed at a day old and male calves are also usually killed while still babies.

99% vegan is pretty great, doesn't take much to take the next step
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The article below is a summary of dairy farming in Ireland. Read the fine lines. I excerpted some information from the site below. The natural lifespan of a cow is 10-15 years. In dairy farming, that lifespan is more like five years.

The optimum milk production system encouraged by State research and advisory organisation Teagasc in their 2011 dairy manual (available from is to calve animals at two years of age and then every 365 days thereafter. Dairy cows generally last five lactations on average, although some cows can remain in the herd for much longer.
Sure, on the front, the idealistic looking pictures of peaceful cows eating grass in beautiful pastures makes one wonder. But just dig a little deeper from the surface and it gets ugly very quickly.

My partner's parents live right across the highway from a dairy farm that also looks idealic at a glance. The cows have room to roam and are fed and cared for. But the calves are still separated from Mom so her milk can be taken for human use. I don't know if you have ever heard the cries of a cow when her calf is taken away, but it is one of the most heart wrenching sounds you will ever hear.

Also, cows have been bred over thousands of years to continue to produce milk at a higher rate. This does not come without health problems for the cows, such as mastitis for example. Antibiotics and other vet care is extremely limited on grass fed "organic" farms otherwise they do not qualify for this status. On larger farms, antibiotics are almost a requirement. But smaller farms are not immune from disease and disorders among their herds.
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Hi April! Welcome! It's great to hear you eat vegan most of the time, but you already came this far; you should definitely go 100% vegan! The thing with animals is if the farmers truely did care about them they wouldn't be taking away their freedom and products they produce to sell in the first place. It is most certainly cruel and it is absolutely and completely wrong.

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