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#1 Old 10-14-2015, 08:09 AM
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Macros, stomach problems, and general questions.

I havent been on this forum in a while, dealing with some health issues and working at a new job.

After 4 months on what I would consider a very healthful vegan diet, with an eye on eating protein with all my meals, and tracking my calories online, I experienced some worsening of my pre-exisiting stomach problems.

My doctor said I had developed "fermenting gut", basically the food was just sitting in my stomach, and not processing through as it should.

She put me on a strict diet of white rice, potatoes, and some animal products. No fruit, bread products, wine, candy, coffee, sweetened cereal, beans.... etc.

I felt better on her regime, and after she said it was okay, I began to reintroduce the foods I had to eliminate.

Well, now I am having stomach problems again, and they are thinking I have a gut motility issue, and some food intolorances (I now have an appt with a gastroenterologist)

How simple can a healthful vegan regime be? Can I eat repetitive foods without facing a deficiency? How low in protein can I eat?

these are the VEGAN foods I tolerate well-

Starch- animal crackers, rice, baked or mashed potatoes. Bran cereal,rice cereal,cream of wheat, rice milk,white bread,white pasta.

fruits and veggies- bananas,apple sauce, apple juice. I also do well with most cooked veggies, and a few milder salad veggies. I really do well with campbells tomato soup and canned tomato juice as well.

as for proteins- I do well with green split peas,breaded ch'kn products,rice protien powder,smooth peanut butter and tofu.

for fats I do margerine,canola oil and peanut butter fairly well. Plain lay's potato chips are also something I tolerate well. (all in small amounts, too much makes me ill)

Question 1- can a healthy diet be built from those restrictions?

Question 2- If I eat only the foods mentioned above, I will have a ton of starch, a bit of fat, and very little protein. Is this a problem?

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#2 Old 10-14-2015, 08:13 AM
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I do have some non vegan foods I tolerate, but not a lot. I can do boiled chicken breast, turkey breast, cottage cheese, lactaid milk,scrambled eggs and canned tuna/baked tilapia. So those would be the foods I would be eliminating.

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#3 Old 10-14-2015, 12:42 PM
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Hi melimom,

Because you currently have so many dietary restrictions, it might be useful to obtain dietary-planning assistance from a Registered Dietitian that specializes in vegetarian/vegan diets.

In the United States, you can find a local Registered Dietitian through this website: http://www.eatright.org . Just click on the "Find an Expert" button, located in the upper-right-hand portion of the webpage.

In the U.K., you can find a local Registered Dietitian on the Freelance Dietitians website: http://www.freelancedietitians.org/

In New Zealand, you can find a local Registered Dietitian through the Dietitians New Zealand website: http://dietitians.org.nz/find-a-dietitian/

In Canada, you can find a local Registered Dietitian at the Dietitians of Canada website: http://www.dietitians.ca/Find-a-Dietitian.aspx .

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Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
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#4 Old 10-14-2015, 01:05 PM
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Hi melimom,





You can also do meal-planning yourself, with the help of nutrition-trackers like http://www.cronometer.com . You can get a basic account for free, and it is very easy to use.

Here is a YouTube video that shows how to use Cronometer:
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Ignore the video host's advice to select the "80-10-10" macronutrient ratio; this is for fruitarian diets, not for conventional vegan diets.

If you can eat green split peas (boiled dry split peas, not green peas) and/or tofu, then you can get plenty of protein. Both of these foods are protein-rich, and both contain an excellent ratio of amino acids:

Nutrition data for boiled dry split peas: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/4354/2 (scroll down to below the video)

Nutrition data for tofu: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/4467/2 (scroll down to below the video)

Also, it won't kill you to take a vegan multivitamin. They even make chewable ones, like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=sr_1_2&sr=8-2 .

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Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
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http://www.who.int/topics/diet/en/
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I'm not seeing any problem with protein, but how about green veggies- either steamed or blended?
I would suggest a protein vitamin shake just to be on track.

Has your doc suggested anything like this--
http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Ferme...the_Full_Monty
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#6 Old 10-14-2015, 03:02 PM
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Hi melimom,





You can also do meal-planning yourself, with the help of nutrition-trackers like http://www.cronometer.com . You can get a basic account for free, and it is very easy to use.

Here is a YouTube video that shows how to use Cronometer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DE7P_-KpNc .
Ignore the video host's advice to select the "80-10-10" macronutrient ratio; this is for fruitarian diets, not for conventional vegan diets.

If you can eat green split peas (boiled dry split peas, not green peas) and/or tofu, then you can get plenty of protein. Both of these foods are protein-rich, and both contain an excellent ratio of amino acids:

Nutrition data for boiled dry split peas: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/4354/2 (scroll down to below the video)

Nutrition data for tofu: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/4467/2 (scroll down to below the video)

Also, it won't kill you to take a vegan multivitamin. They even make chewable ones, like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=sr_1_2&sr=8-2 .
Thank you for both of your responses david. I know I am a bit of a special snowflake, and when I think of a healthful vegan diet, I dont think of the paltry list of foods I gave here. My version of a well planned vegan diet didnt work with my stomach problems, so I feel a bit stumped.

Maybe a trip to a RD is in order. I will bring it up with the gastroenterologist.
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I'm not seeing any problem with protein, but how about green veggies- either steamed or blended?
I would suggest a protein vitamin shake just to be on track.

Has your doc suggested anything like this--
http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Ferme...the_Full_Monty
Silva- cooked veggies, in a soup or as a side dish go very well for me. I can mild salad lettuces (like romaine or spinach) raw, even.

I do think my protein is a concern, because many vegan protein sources are a no-go for me, stomach wise.

I think I will lurk a bit on Mcdougall's forum and see if anyone else there is following a starch based diet for gastroenteritis/gastroparisis.
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silva- My doctor had me begin a regimen of high strength probiotics, and avoiding many foods, but unlike the link, she wanted me to eat mainly rice, cooked veggies, and chicken breast/baked fish.
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Even if tofu, rice, split peas, peanut butter, wheat and veggies were your only options, they're more than enough for daily protein req's. Am I missing something?

And by those foods, can you eat tempeh, other legumes like lentils, quinoa, soy milk? What about other grains?
One cup of cooked split peas has 16 grams protein
One cup of tofu has 20 grams
One tablespoon of brown rice protein powder has 11 grams
One cup soy milk 8 grams
One Boca chikn patty has 11 grams
and tempeh is 32 gr per cup

Anyway, have you done your own research? Has there been mention of candida yeast infection? Probiotics?

Maybe not related, but 'fermented gut' reminded me of how I felt when I ate meat-- like this:
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/putr...fying-enzymes/
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I grew up with gastroenteritis and was diagnosed with everything short of infestation by the creature from Alien.
In the end I just gave up on doctors and decided to cure myself. As it turned out it was just a small handful of foods causing the problem.
Since you've effectively already begun an elimination diet I'd suggest you continue it in extreme detail. Write down everything you eat every day plus a daily summary of how you feel. If the symptoms return just eliminate everything you introduced in the previous 2 days and dont be quick to add them back in! Chocolate, my personal worst offender, will give me gut pain for 8 days straight.
Instead of radically restricting your diet in perpetuity, it might be as simple as finding the 3 or 4 things you can never eat again.

As for protein, never discount the influence of vegetables. They tend to correct the inadequate protein profile of grains. For four millennia much of rural china has been thriving on a diet composed almost entirely of rice and vegetables. In world war 2 populations in europe survived on nothing but potatoes and sauerkraut for two years at one point.
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I grew up with gastroenteritis and was diagnosed with everything short of infestation by the creature from Alien.
In the end I just gave up on doctors and decided to cure myself. As it turned out it was just a small handful of foods causing the problem.
Since you've effectively already begun an elimination diet I'd suggest you continue it in extreme detail. Write down everything you eat every day plus a daily summary of how you feel. If the symptoms return just eliminate everything you introduced in the previous 2 days and dont be quick to add them back in! Chocolate, my personal worst offender, will give me gut pain for 8 days straight.
Instead of radically restricting your diet in perpetuity, it might be as simple as finding the 3 or 4 things you can never eat again.

As for protein, never discount the influence of vegetables. They tend to correct the inadequate protein profile of grains. For four millennia much of rural china has been thriving on a diet composed almost entirely of rice and vegetables. In world war 2 populations in europe survived on nothing but potatoes and sauerkraut for two years at one point.
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LOL @ the diagnosis of alien infestation. It helps to laugh about this stuff, because honestly sometimes I just feel crazy. I am only 28, why is my stomach being so weird?
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Silva- my attempted vegan diet was high in whole grains, lentils and other beans, and I ate soy products as well.

I read a lot about vegan nutrition before I started, and I tried to follow the oldways vegan pyramid, to the best of my ability. I also had things like coconut milk ice cream, as a treat. (not often, I dont live near a healthfood store)

I had pre-existing stomach problems (GERD,mild lactose intolerance) and the switch was too hard on my stomach.

I ended up going into see my doc 4 months after I switched from being a vegetarian to a vegan, because I was having bloating, pain and nausea.
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