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#1 Old 07-31-2012, 01:57 PM
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I'm phasing out dairy atm and am considering cutting out eggs next.  Currently I only buy higher welfare eggs (the Happy Eggs brand) or sometimes eggs from my neighbour's hens.  I know that standard free range eggs are problematic for various reasons (beak trimming, **** hens being killed etc).  I guess I'm wondering whether cruelty in egg production is always inevitable, or whether it is at all possible to produce eggs humanely for human consumption?  Hoping someone more knowledgeable can educate me - thanks for your help :)

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I'm going to move this to the Vegan Discussion forum.

One of the biggest problems with consuming eggs is that no one wants roosters - they don't lay eggs and most farmers don't want their eggs fertilized. So hatcheries discard the male chicks shortly after they are hatched - sometimes they just throw them out in the trash where they suffocate, sometimes they are ground up alive. It's not good to be a male chick. no.gif So, even if you choose to eat "happy eggs" you support the industry that has to get rid of 50% of its stock because it has no use.

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Hi Poppy, thanks for replying.  I'm aware this is probably a really ignorant question from the POV of many vegan members so I hope they go easy on me :)

 

BTW I had to laugh at the naughty words filter on my original post censoring the word for a male chicken...!

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Haha - it didn't even occur to me that that's what you were typing. I just assumed it was a weird typo. I'd never heard the term **** hen.

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i wrote hen when i meant chick.... duh!... no wonder there was confusion.  you can tell i don't know much about farming
 

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only way it would be ethical, from my view (even though i still wouldn't eat them) would be at a rescue, where animals are NOT purchased but rescued and a person took their eggs.  but it's my understanding that esp. due to breeding and taxing of the bodies of the hens, it's best to feed back the eggs to them (after cooking) for the nutrients.

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its pretty hard to find eggs that are not associated with cruelty in some way or another. 

 

i would say that eggs from someones backyard hens (like your own or your neighbors) would be the only way to ensure they were being produced ethically. 

if you can visit the farm and see for yourself that would be the second best.

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^^ I agree. It's very difficult, I cut out eggs completely because I don't really think there's an "ethical" way to steal a hen's eggs. sad.gif

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I've been doing a bit more reading about egg production and veganism in general, and actually I can totally see now that eating eggs is unacceptable.  whether or not the process is cruel (which it seems it is in the vast majority of cases), I get the point now that eggs aren't ours to take, and that veganism is about showing how it's possible to live without animal exploitation of any kind.

 

thanks all for your responses :)

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i would say that eggs from someones backyard hens (like your own or your neighbors) would be the only way to ensure they were being produced ethically.

They still had to get those hens from someplace that killed off the male chicks/roosters in a terrible way.


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I've been doing a bit more reading about egg production and veganism in general, and actually I can totally see now that eating eggs is unacceptable.  whether or not the process is cruel (which it seems it is in the vast majority of cases), I get the point now that eggs aren't ours to take, and that veganism is about showing how it's possible to live without animal exploitation of any kind.

 

thanks all for your responses :)

That's so cool! I just love that the web can help with stuff like this. It makes me so happy that we're creating positive change in the world with the web instead of just looking at porn or sharing stupid jokes smiley.gif

Congrats on your decision to eat an egg-free diet!
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They still had to get those hens from someplace that killed off the male chicks/roosters in a terrible way.

 

not necessarily.  there are lots of resources for rescue hens, where you are actually saving their lives bc they stop producing to the amount the farms want.  they would get killed if not rescued by sanctuaries and individuals.  my aunt has 6 rescued hens from a local hatchery, they would have been killed if she didn't ask to take them.  they don't produce as much but they still do make eggs.

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not necessarily.  there are lots of resources for rescue hens, where you are actually saving their lives bc they stop producing to the amount the farms want.  they would get killed if not rescued by sanctuaries and individuals.  my aunt has 6 rescued hens from a local hatchery, they would have been killed if she didn't ask to take them.  they don't produce as much but they still do make eggs.


That's true, but I went with the reality that the vast majority of people (let's say 99.99%) just get their hens from a feed store or someplace that is not in any way a rescue.  People love to find the tiny amount of exceptions and pretend that's the rule or that the exceptions are easy to find.  I also notice that when people claim they're sourcing their animal products "ethically" they end up eating plenty of factory farmed products too, when they go out, at someone else's house, as samples, etc. because they've made eggs or whatever part of their diet, so they'll eat clearly unethical sources at times too.


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