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#1 Old 09-03-2011, 06:17 PM
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But why do omnivores get so defensive and offensive about their food choices? I've been a vegetarian for years, and always been fairly relaxed about consuming things made with milk and cheese.

Now that I feel I am ready for the next step, to really solidify my beliefs, and become vegan, many of my friends are snarky about it.I constantly feel the need to leave out the part where I care about animals and highlight the health benefits of my lifestyle.


Does anyone else feel this way? It's almost like I feel my beliefs are off putting to them even before Ive stated my reasons. Why are jokes cracked towards vegans and health fanatics in general? I mean... it seems counterintuitive to make a mockery out of something that is the best decision?



My goodness, if I hear enough (seemingly) lighthearted remark from my friends I'm going to animal activist on their butt!!
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But why do omnivores get so defensive and offensive about their food choices?

Cognitive dissonance. Guilt. Projection.

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it forces them to think why THEY'RE not doing the same thing, and people hate the thought of letting their meat and cheese go (everything else doesn't matter as much)
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They get defensive because they're not secure in their own choices. They crack jokes at vegans and people who are health conscious in general, again, because they're not secure in their own choices, so it makes them feel better about themselves to mock you like you're the crazy one for actually caring about your health.
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I have been vegan for almost 2 months and I fount many objections at first- many of my friends and family were downright mean about it. I got "its a phase" and " you are going to make your kids sick" and other awful things.
But it actually passed somewhat. People seem to be getting used to it and stop bringing it up. I've learned not to talk about it until I am directly asked a question, I never bring it up in a social setting unless necessary now. It causes less people to want to debate me and get defensive about their choices. I feel it might be best to try to surround myself with like minded people instead- surround myself with positivity. The people on the Veggie Boards here have been really helpful, supportive and nice too!

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It's not confined to omnis. Vegetarians act the same way when their food choices are brought up. Diet is just a very personal thing. You are what you eat. Not only as far as health, but it speaks to a number of factors including convictions, self-control, life style, and even income.

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I'm changing the thread title to make this topic more clear.

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idk.
A few weeks ago i told one of my bestfriends that i wasnt a vegetarian anymore and that i was now a vegan.
and she was like, why?????... isnt vegetarian enough?!?
im like no, if you watched videos or research you'd understand...
she was like I AINT WATCHING SH*T I LIKE CHICKEN TOO MUCH AND HAD JUST EXPERIENCED FRIED CHICKEN IN KENTUCKUY (she went on a roadtrip) NO WAY IM NOT EATING MEAT.
im like chillllllllllll i didnt say i wanted you to watch anything biatch
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Thread title: Why do omnis get so defensive about their food choices?

Why? Simple. Basic assumptions about the lives of veggie folks.

1. They make the assumption that because one of the most horrid men in history became a dietary vegetarian for a while(Adolf Hitler) that all vegetarians and vegans are horrid by analogy.

2. They think that because some veggie folk are animal rights activists(some radically so to the point of violence against property) that all veggie folks like us are radicals. Then, as if to add insult to injury, they also believe that if because such rabid activists act in such ways that all vegetarian folks therefore must hate their fellow human beings in the same way.

Finally, because our diets and lifestyles prove that the lack of meat and dairy have no bearing on healthy existence, but in fact tend to improve it; They resent the mere thought that we might be right in our "wrongness" and it irks them that we do more with less(good health being the gold standard in this case).

As I said, basic assumptions. Lies all of them, but basic assumptions nonetheless.
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Thread title: Why do omnis get so defensive about their food choices?

Why? Simple. Basic assumptions about the lives of veggie folks.

1. They make the assumption that because one of the most horrid men in history became a dietary vegetarian for a while(Adolf Hitler) that all vegetarians and vegans are horrid by analogy.
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wow really, wasnt aware of that~!
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I can't say I've experienced much of this. I get people curious about my dietary habits, but I rarely see something I would call defensive as a result.
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Thread title: Why do omnis get so defensive about their food choices?

Why? Simple. Basic assumptions about the lives of veggie folks.

1. They make the assumption that because one of the most horrid men in history became a dietary vegetarian for a while(Adolf Hitler) that all vegetarians and vegans are horrid by analogy.

2. They think that because some veggie folk are animal rights activists(some radically so to the point of violence against property) that all veggie folks like us are radicals. Then, as if to add insult to injury, they also believe that if because such rabid activists act in such ways that all vegetarian folks therefore must hate their fellow human beings in the same way.

Finally, because our diets and lifestyles prove that the lack of meat and dairy have no bearing on healthy existence, but in fact tend to improve it; They resent the mere thought that we might be right in our "wrongness" and it irks them that we do more with less(good health being the gold standard in this case).

As I said, basic assumptions. Lies all of them, but basic assumptions nonetheless.

Oh, no! Hitler was a veg*n! I'm going back to omni! It's the only logical choice!



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Hmmm, don't think Hitler was vegetarian. I read that he had stomach problems and sometimes his doctor told him to lay off meat but he wasn't actually a vegetarian.
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I constantly feel the need to leave out the part where I care about animals and highlight the health benefits of my lifestyle.

For a while I also gave health benefits as my reasoning when someone asked why I was a vegan (instead of animal rights), because I was so sick of people trying to start arguments, attacking me, or rolling their eyes at me. Out of the first 50+ people who found out I was a vegan for ethical reasons, only 2 or 3 reacted positively, the rest offered varying degrees of *attack the stupid vegan*.... and that really starts to wear on you.

But now I have my standard 'why' answer that goes like this: animal suffering, no nutritional need for animal products (and therefore no reason to cause said suffering), impact on health, impact on environment, inefficiency of the whole process of eating animal products (why not just skip the middleman?). It seems to make their head spin enough that they don't have anything clever to say afterwards.

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Cognitive dissonance. Guilt. Projection.

That is exactly it. And the majority of it is below their level of awareness... I once tried explaining those concepts to someone as they relate to our relationship with animals, as gently as I could (using the word 'we' instead of 'you') - just to see how it would go. Yeah, it did not end well at all Of course I was the ******* for summarizing 50 years of psychological research and applying it to our consumption of animals. How dare I??

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Ugh, I hate the Hitler argument. If you ever hear that, give them a partial list of all the evil meat-eating people in history (you know, pretty much ALL of them )
And incidently, Hitler was known to eat meat during times of celebration. And he clearly wasn't a veggie due to, ya know, his respect or appreciation for all life (as many or most v*gans are).

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I hate it.
I posted a status on Facebook something like 'yummy meatfree pie and soymilkshake for lunch' and instantly people are posting saying 'we are meant to eat meat....animals were meant to be eaten....cows need to be milked' all the standard omni arguements and I thinking 'I didnt say BOOOO all your meat eaters im better for eating veggie food' so why are they getting all defensive.

Guilt, pure and simple.
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I hate it.
I posted a status on Facebook something like 'yummy meatfree pie and soymilkshake for lunch' and instantly people are posting saying 'we are meant to eat meat....animals were meant to be eaten....cows need to be milked' all the standard omni arguements and I thinking 'I didnt say BOOOO all your meat eaters im better for eating veggie food' so why are they getting all defensive.

Guilt, pure and simple.

This happened to me. I got stoned to death and burned alive with a simple self celebrating FB status.

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Don't you restrict comments on your FB posts to your friends?
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I can't say I've experienced much of this. I get people curious about my dietary habits, but I rarely see something I would call defensive as a result.

Wow, I wish I had your friends!

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This happened to me. I got stoned to death and burned alive with a simple self celebrating FB status.

That's certainly how it sometimes feels for me too. Never in my life have people been as mean to me as they are when attacking my veganism. Give 'em one of these for me

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If people bring up Adolph hitler being a vegetarian, you can counter that by saying Gandhi was a vegetarian. He was the complete opposite of Hitler.

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Do people actually think that diet is related to one's inclination towards ethnic cleansing?
lol

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It's just a crazy effort to grasp at straws. :3

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