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#1 Old 08-24-2011, 07:07 PM
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So I was talking with a friend, and he said he was at a concert and there was a tent there. Outside stands one person with a sign saying "Watch this video, and you will get a dollar." So some teens come in. Something similar to meet your meat or earthlings is playing on a TV. The people watch for 5 minutes, go and get their dollar. Now the message is imprinted with them, no matter what. Maybe they will change.

I was considering doing this. I think it seems very effective. Any thoughts?

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Sounds like you are tricking people into watching a terrible video. It will not get you any new vegans, sorry, people will just resent you.
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Sounds like you are tricking people into watching a terrible video. It will not get you any new vegans, sorry, people will just resent you.

I think people need a warning before watching graphic documentaries.

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#4 Old 08-24-2011, 07:31 PM
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I was considering doing this. I think it seems very effective. Any thoughts?

The idea of paying people so that they will watch something they would not otherwise watch seems VERY wrong to me.

Unnecesary also ...

A sign saying something like "see the film THEY do not want you to see" would work just as well and that would make getting the film an audience absolutely free.

Not a dissimilar trick to the one that goes "the following film may offend some people" when they have something that no one would watch otherwise about to be shown on TV.
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The idea of paying people so that they will watch something they would not otherwise watch seems VERY wrong to me.

^Agreed along with all the other replies especially the fact that people should be warned before being exposed to something graphic like that. I'd be pissed if someone tricked me like that. I would be even more upset if I had small children with me and saw it without warning.
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A sign saying something like "see the film THEY do not want you to see" would work just as well and that would make getting the film an audience absolutely free.

I agree with this! It would work for me

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I would implement that in order to continue eating meat, each person must kill & slaughter one of each animals that they like to ingest...all by themselves.
Same goes for fur & leather lovers.

After all, don't we vegs/vegans work hard to prepare our own food??

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Other than thinking that it seems a bit lame to have to pay people to watch an animal activism video, I don't have a huge problem with this.

personal responsibilty is the issue here. Nobody is forcing anyone into the tent to watch, they are volunteering to watch so they can get a dollar. If it turns out to be a video that is distasteful to them, they have take the blame for that themselves.
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I think a better way to go about things is to give away free stuff, ie recipes, cookies, etc.
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I think a better way to go about things is to give away free stuff, ie recipes, cookies, etc.

Deceit and bribery would totally turn me away from becoming vegetarian.
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So I was talking with a friend, and he said he was at a concert and there was a tent there. Outside stands one person with a sign saying "Watch this video, and you will get a dollar." So some teens come in. Something similar to meet your meat or earthlings is playing on a TV. The people watch for 5 minutes, go and get their dollar. Now the message is imprinted with them, no matter what. Maybe they will change.

I was considering doing this. I think it seems very effective. Any thoughts?

That sounds expensive.

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welllll, I'm 19 (well in about a week hehe) & even if I was "tricked" into seeing Earthling or Meet your Meat it would still open my eyes.
In my opinion the fact that I was getting a $1 from watching it wouldn't change what I was actually seeing.... that is just me.
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Yeah, this could get expensive. But if you have the money I think it's a neat idea. Others are probably right in saying to give some kind of warning that the film contains sensitive subject matter. Giving money or stuff away to people who agree to watch the film would definitely draw more people in, people who wouldn't otherwise bother to stop and watch.

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If they know the video is about killing animals, they will not want to watch it. Thats why you don't tell them. Common sense anyone?

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I don't think this is anything too negative that it shouldn't be done, but paying people to watch AR videos isn't something I would get involved in as an activist. I think it could be counterproductive in some cases.

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So I was talking with a friend, and he said he was at a concert and there was a tent there. Outside stands one person with a sign saying "Watch this video, and you will get a dollar." So some teens come in. Something similar to meet your meat or earthlings is playing on a TV. The people watch for 5 minutes, go and get their dollar. Now the message is imprinted with them, no matter what. Maybe they will change.

I was considering doing this. I think it seems very effective. Any thoughts?

I think this is the program you are talking about. It's called pay-per-view.

http://www.vegfund.org/video-faq.html

This site has the actual video they use, it's free to download: http://www.mercyforanimals.org/paid-per-view.aspx

I think it's a good idea.

People aren't ambushed into watching a video where they have no idea what it's about. In fact, one guy eating a hamburger said he was going to use the dollar to buy a chicken sandwich. After watching the video he wasn't able to finish the burger and threw it away. He said he wasn't sure he could eat meat again.
So, it is effective.

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#17 Old 08-29-2011, 01:00 PM
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If they know the video is about killing animals, they will not want to watch it. Thats why you don't tell them. Common sense anyone?

And you don't think there are any legitimate reasons people may not want to be exposed to gore?

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And you don't think there are any legitimate reasons people may not want to be exposed to gore?

Oh, there are. But if people are eating meat, I think they should at least feel guilty about it

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If they know the video is about killing animals, they will not want to watch it. Thats why you don't tell them. Common sense anyone?

People want to and have a right to be warned before viewing graphic disturbing images.

There are other ways to go about this without being deceitful.
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I don't really think it's dishonest, it doesn't take a genius to work out if someone is paying you to watch something, it's something you wouldn't voluntairily want to watch. People have the choice to either not go in, to ask about what's being shown (ie: is there anything gory/graphic) or to walk out. As long as they don't let children in, I don't have a problem with it, although I'd prefer it if there was a warning of graphic images before hand, so people could walk out before the film began too.

That said it is a very expensive way to reaching people, and I wonder if it'll just draw in people who want to prove they can sit through it (rumour would get around pretty quick about what the actual film was of) and not be affected, and scare away more sensitive people who would probally be more likley to be affected. I can see how it could work, if you got people to watch the movie and then provided information on going vegetarian afterwards (or just having one vegetarian meal a week) and discuss it with people - people are easily swayed with emotive videos, but you need substantial convicing and helpful information to allow people to actually do something based on their reaction to the film... if that makes sense.

It's not something I'd support, it's just not my style, but then it's movies like earthlings/etc that seem to have convinced a lot of people here so it does seem to work - even if it wouldn't for me.
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At the events I've gone to where AR groups had this set-up, there really wasn't any question as to what type of video it was. While there weren't any actual shots from the video displayed before you watched, it was set-up inside the booth of an AR group with literature everywhere talking about why/how to go vegan. As well as literature showing images from factory farming and why it's bad. I can't imagine most people would go into watch the video and have no clue it's related to factory farming.

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That sounds expensive.

Thats what I was thinking!!!!

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It would have worked on me, although I wouldnt use this tactic myself. I like everyone eles's suggestions of signs that say things like "what they dont want you to see". Hell Id have even gave the dollar back.

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Feh. Splatterporn is splatterporn. Remember the 'Faces of Death' 'party' tapes?

I'd imagine the audience would be almost entirely 1) people ALREADY opposed to what is in the film and 2) people who see viewing it as entertainment.

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I think this is the program you are talking about. It's called pay-per-view.

http://www.vegfund.org/video-faq.html

This site has the actual video they use, it's free to download: http://www.mercyforanimals.org/paid-per-view.aspx

I think it's a good idea.

People aren't ambushed into watching a video where they have no idea what it's about. In fact, one guy eating a hamburger said he was going to use the dollar to buy a chicken sandwich. After watching the video he wasn't able to finish the burger and threw it away. He said he wasn't sure he could eat meat again.
So, it is effective.

To address some people's concerns:

- No one is tricked into watching the videos. It's very clear that these are videos about animal suffering and that they are not appropriate for young children or PTSD sensitive people, for example.

- Viewers are offered the chance to donate their dollar back to the cause after watching the video. Some do, so that makes the program less expensive than it might seem.

- Activists who are doing these events are usually reimbursed by a larger organization like VegFund or FARM so it's not as expensive as you might think. They do have to supply the technology, however, which can be a bit of an expense. But I'm sure you could have a bake sale to raise the funds if you wanted to.

- FARM did surveys to measure the effectiveness of this campaign. Based on their surveys, this is possibly the most effective form of animal advocacy anyone can do right now. It has the potential to save/spare thousands/millions/billions of animals!!!
link: http://www.farmusa.org/PPV/

I'm going to try it in the next month or so. I will report back on my experience.
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Oh, there are. But if people are eating meat, I think they should at least feel guilty about it

I didn't have to watch either of those documentaries to become vegan. (still haven't seen either, too sad for me and I know the reality) But that's just me.

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The idea of paying people so that they will watch something they would not otherwise watch seems VERY wrong to me.

Unnecesary also ...

A sign saying something like "see the film THEY do not want you to see" would work just as well and that would make getting the film an audience absolutely free.

Not a dissimilar trick to the one that goes "the following film may offend some people" when they have something that no one would watch otherwise about to be shown on TV.


I don't think there is anything wrong with it. No one is strong-arming them into it and it is their greed that gets them to watch the film and if they don't like it, they can always walk away, without the cash.
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I think a better way to go about things is to give away free stuff, ie recipes, cookies, etc.


Oh yeah, that'll change a meat eater's idea about giving up his burger. Hand him some recipes and a couple cookies. I wonder how that works for the vegan society and PETA? Don't they give away 'veggie starter kits'? And we are still 1%.

Sorry Freesia, I'm not making fun of you, but I think that it's going to take a lot more than that to make inroads on the culture of cruelty.
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Here are all the links I found from various organizations doing it. These all provide "how-to" descriptions and photos:

Farm Animal Rights Movement: http://www.farmusa.org/PPV/
Mercy For Animals: http://www.mercyforanimals.org/paid-per-view.aspx
Compassion for Animals: http://www.compassion4animals.org/ppv.htm
VegFund: http://www.vegfund.org/video-faq.html
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Here are all the links I found from various organizations doing it.

All good organizations I'm familiar with. (Actually I'm not too familiar with CfA, but they look good too.) Still I'm skeptical of the tactic. Not the PPV aspect, but the content. In the interest of being constructively critical rather than just contrary, here's why:

Although it is almost a matter of faith in animal protection communities that explicit images of brutality spur attitude change there is a fair amount of evidence to the contrary. Just a few days ago humanespot.org posted a summary/abstract for the journal article "The effect of disgust-eliciting visuals on attitudes toward animal experimentation". The paper was published in 1998 in the journal Communication Quarterly. Although the issue examined is vivisection rather than animals used for food, the conclusions are probably applicable to both issues (in fact if such visuals enhanced attitude change I'd expect a greater observed effect in vivisection, an issue most folks are not as personally invested in as they are in food issues.) The conclusion from the abstract : "disgust may either enhance or inhibit attitude change, depending on the context in which the emotion is used". Humanespot.org's short description of the paper is less equivocal about which effect was more prevalent in the study: "The author finds that increased disgust was negatively related to attitude change such that gruesome images decreased support of the anti-experimentation perspective."

Decreased.

Admittedly that's just one study and not in and of itself definitive. As in all things, YMMV.

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