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#1 Old 06-11-2011, 10:39 AM
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So today I was driving to starbucks and there was a McDonalds nearby. Outside the Micky D's there were 2 or 3 people protesting; holding signs up with dead cows and chickens. One of the arguments on behalf of the meat eaters is ignorance; the fact that many of them don't know what really goes on behind the curtains. But here, the protestors were showing everything, but there was a full parking lot, and about 10 cars in the drive thru line. I've come to a conclusion: Most people just don't give a s**t.

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A lot of people really just don't. A while ago one of my flatmates was telling me about similar people outside McDonalds in Leicester Square with total disdain. He actually said to me 'I mean, why do they bother? No one cares about that ****'. Which was kind of weird, he knows full well that I do.
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Someone cares. Some people will look and listen. And one person listening, might may several others listen. And so the world turns.

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#4 Old 06-11-2011, 11:01 AM
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Don't give up hope for all humanity just yet... even if the message reaches one person, it has succeeded. As River said, that one may reach others who weren't there.
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Don't give up hope for all humanity just yet... even if the message reaches one person, it has succeeded. As River said, that one may reach others who weren't there.

But I just don't get it. How can you see those graphic pictures of dead animals, then just continue to eat them?

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But I just don't get it. How can you see those graphic pictures of dead animals, then just continue to eat them?

Not everyone values the same thing.

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Not everyone values the same thing.



Many people have gotten so used to disconnecting those images from their "food" that even when it slaps them in the face, they still deny what they're seeing. From experience with my family and friends, I've found that they feel "life's too short" to worry about anything but themselves and their own pleasure... and they associate meat with pleasure not realizing how much more pleasurable food can really be.
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You don't need faith in humanity, as long as you keep an open mind that any given individual you might meet isn't necessarily going to fit your view. I lost faith in humanity at the age of twelve, and while plenty of people tried to pressure me into changing my mind, and tried to make me feel like I was a bad person for thinking as I do, in all the years since, I have rarely been disappointed, and often pleasantly surprised.

If this is the honest conclusion you come to in the face of overwhelming evidence, don't let other people make you feel badly about it. Just don't let it completely close your mind.

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#9 Old 06-11-2011, 12:08 PM
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I gave up on humanity yonks ago tbh.
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#10 Old 06-11-2011, 12:31 PM
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But I just don't get it. How can you see those graphic pictures of dead animals, then just continue to eat them?

Because it's just a dumb animal. If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat? We have The Dominion. Get over it.


^^^ That's what the people who just don't care about animal suffering would tell you.
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Some people believe in the "if slaughterhouses had glass walls" thing, but I don't. I think it's just a matter of time before there's a TV reality show along the lines of "Celebrity Slaughterhouse Worker", where each week a different celebrity works a day in a slaughterhouse and while most viewers would consider it gross, they'd still find it funny. I can just see Paris Hilton fumbling with a captive bolt gun and plenty of laughing.
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Most people, quite simply, are desensitized to it. My last boyfriend did maintenance at a slaughterhouse way before we met, and still, at least 50% of what went into his mouth was meat. Which worried me for his health, at the time I hadn't even gone vegetarian yet but at least I was trying to cut down on the meat. He constantly complained about being constipated. I wonder why.
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#13 Old 06-11-2011, 11:30 PM
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i gave up on humanity long time ago. but i must say that a lot of people may react on it after many times of seeing it. i was a meat eater for a long time too and i was just passing those protesters and ignoring info i saw. because i simply had the idea that it is nature, it is a necessity and people who are against it don't know better. and yet one day it hit me. so while i don't think humans as a whole will make a change any time soon, a lot of those individuals still might get it soon enough
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I was exposed to info about this a few years ago but only made the switch last March. In my mind, I had justifications like maybe they're showing an extreme example that's the worst of the meat industry, I feel malnourished without meat, etc.

In short, I think the key to converting more people is exposing the truth about what the animals go through, but not without combining it with examples of easy vegan meals and information about how much better it is for human health. For one, people who have been vegan for at least 20 years live 15 years longer than meateaters on average.
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I'm not a fan of humanity either. But I too have the hope that perhaps one person (or more) may make the connection. I still applaud those who do the protesting. I don't think it's in vain.
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Many people have gotten so used to disconnecting those images from their "food" that even when it slaps them in the face, they still deny what they're seeing. From experience with my family and friends, I've found that they feel "life's too short" to worry about anything but themselves and their own pleasure... and they associate meat with pleasure not realizing how much more pleasurable food can really be.

unfortunately, I find this to be true too....most people don't care where their food comes from, or how it was treated.

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But I just don't get it. How can you see those graphic pictures of dead animals, then just continue to eat them?

Dissociation. A dead animal doesn't seem to equal a hamburger to some people. I mean, in a sense we all thought that way at one point or another. Aside from the life long vegans, of course.

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but i must say that a lot of people may react on it after many times of seeing it. i was a meat eater for a long time too and i was just passing those protesters and ignoring info i saw. because i simply had the idea that it is nature, it is a necessity and people who are against it don't know better. and yet one day it hit me. so while i don't think humans as a whole will make a change any time soon, a lot of those individuals still might get it soon enough

I was 24 when it finally hit me. Different things work for different people. I had an epiphany when I was watching an ant on a windowsill. He kept trying to pull something that was way too big. The ant would try, start pulling, lose his grip and sort of stumble. He kept going back, though! I never ate meat again after that and I never will.
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The thread to help regain faith in humanity:

https://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/showthread.php?120900-Feedback-on-AR-Video-posted-on-Facebook


At this rate, we should have a veg*n world within just a few years.

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Inside every person is a better person, and inside every better person is a vegan. Every single one.

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Humanity can be defined as: the quality of being humane; kindness; benevolence. I can see where it would be hard to have faith in humans who can't live up to what they are supposed to be.
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I've come to a conclusion: Most people just don't give a s**t.

Personally I don't think I'd really pay attention to anyone standing in a carpark waving signs, regardless of what business it was, or what was on the signs.

If I was where I would be, then I'd be where I am not, here I am where I must be, where I would be I cannot.
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Dissociation.

Yes, this and compartmentalisation.
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I recently read a very interesting book called Fast Food Nation. It tracks the history of all the major fast food chains in the USA, including Mcdonalds, etc. While the book is 10 yrs old, it get's into the inhumane treatment of the animals used in their meat products. After what I read in the book, I've boycotted Mcd's for their anti-union, but more importantly inhumane treatment of the animals used in their food. The problem these days, is that people look at the end product of the meat on the grocery shelves, and totally ignore the process of how it got there and where it came from.
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Personally I don't think I'd really pay attention to anyone standing in a carpark waving signs, regardless of what business it was, or what was on the signs.


And yet something, somewhere obviously got your attention and moved you away from meat eating. What was it?

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I don't know what's worse, a person who tries to avoid gaining any knowledge of the meat industry because it makes them feel bad for eating meat, or someone who genuinely doesn't give a **** about animals.

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I don't know what's worse, a person who tries to avoid gaining any knowledge of the meat industry because it makes them feel bad for eating meat, or someone who genuinely doesn't give a **** about animals.

This is just my personal opinion, but I'd say the second one is worse. People who don't care about animals at all are probably never going to change their minds. A person who likes animals but wants to remain ignorant about how they are treated may eventually realize how absurd that is and go veg*n some day.

Of course, some people will want to remain ignorant forever which I agree is pretty ridiculous.

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Each person might have different myths that they cling to to help them believe they shouldn't bother.
"Animals don't feel pain."
"Veg*nism isn't healthy."
"I won't be able to get my protein."
"I can't be a bodybuilder and be veg*n."
"We were meant to eat meat."

And some of them really just do. not. care.

Hopefully it'll change someday.
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And yet something, somewhere obviously got your attention and moved you away from meat eating. What was it?

I don't know if it was anything specific, probably more a "straw that broke the camels back" sorta thing. One day I just realised that I had more misgivings about eating meat than reasons to eat it so I stopped.

That said, my first post was probably a bit harsh. I'll amend the statement: I don't think you should expect someone to make an instantaneous decision to change their eating habits based on protesters in a carpark. You might make them think though, and that's a good thing.

If I was where I would be, then I'd be where I am not, here I am where I must be, where I would be I cannot.
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I don't know if it was anything specific, probably more a "straw that broke the camels back" sorta thing. One day I just realised that I had more misgivings about eating meat than reasons to eat it so I stopped.

That said, my first post was probably a bit harsh. I'll amend the statement: I don't think you should expect someone to make an instantaneous decision to change their eating habits based on protesters in a carpark. You might make them think though, and that's a good thing.

I've absolutely seen people change in an instant before, though. Maybe different things work for different people but I've seen nearly a couple of dozen people pledge to make changes based on a simple pamphlet before, and that's just my own limited experience. I regularly talk to people who have witnessed this literally thousands of times.

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