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#1 Old 01-02-2011, 01:36 AM
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I always get the impression that the general public views vegans as a radical leftist/pinko commie/hippie green/etc thing, which has led to me to create this poll. Personally, I've known some conservative vegetarians, but I can't say the same for vegans.

I've kept this poll simple with two options. No "in the middle" or "centrist" options! Pick which one you feel is closer to you. Apologies to any non-Americans if the definitions are too U.S.-centric. Hopefully you'll be able to figure out.

Anyway, I consider myself left of center.
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I'm definitely liberal or leftist relative to the American political spectrum. In the context of my own country, I guess I'm still somewhat left of center, but I would not characterize myself as a radical. I support the modern Scandinavian welfare state -- including an extensive social safety net -- and do not desire an overhaul of it nor moving into some drastically new framework like communism, even though I realize there are still many problems with unemployment, the treatment of seniors, health care issues, and so on -- and of course, especially with the treatment of animals.

I have a highly cynical, exaggerated view on the usefulness of participating in representational democracy. I think most issues are better addressed in activism and social relationships, not through voting for some ******* career politician. But this view is not based on highlighting the goodness of individual people against the corruption of government; rather, it's because my fellow citizens vote in incredibly stupid ways that the elected representatives, and the whole process, are so hopeless.


In fact, I think a good way to describe my political views would be that I may be a "radical" culturally -- that is, I desire a fundamental elimination or reform of some cultural norms and practices, most importantly the exploitation of animals -- but not in terms of economy or system of government.

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Left for me but I have some right beliefs such as not believing in abortion.

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neither. the only politics I care for are the politics of Jesus
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My views are a combination of anarchist communism and veganarchism, which could be called veg-anarcho-communism.

Veganarchism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganarchism

Anarcho-communism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

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Neither. Both sects are led by complete jackwagons.
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Jackwagon?!?

Left here.

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n. Slang term derived from the Freight or Chow wagons used in the late 19th century. These were often the last wagons in a wagon train, making them the least favorable to drive due to the dust, waste, and debris from the front of the train.

When used as in insult it refers to one's lack of intelligence, implying the insultee is capable of no more than operating a Chow wagon.

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I'm a socialist, but my preferred method is activism.

That's what all the political tests tell me anyway.

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I'm a socialist, but my preferred method is activism.

That's what all the political tests tell me anyway.

What type of socialist?

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What type of socialist?

I rank deeply in both libertarian and progressive ends of the spectrum in most political tests I take. I'd call that socialist. I took a test earlier today that places me slightly left of Gandhi. I'm not sure if any traditional type of socialism applies to me. I haven't studied political theory that much. I'm mostly an activist. I'm not an anarchist or an anarcho-primitivist (I do read Crimethinc though, and have found uses for their literature and stickers). I'm not anti-government or completely anti-capitalism. I'm probably more like a hyper liberal than a pure socialist. I consider myself far more liberal than Obama and his puppet government. My basic beliefs are that human beings have rights, but that corporations do not. Corporations will lie, cheat, abuse and rape if you give them an inch. I believe in a tight choke hold on corporations but personal liberties for individuals. The right to read anything you want, go anywhere you want, do anything you want and put anything in your body you want as long as it harms nobody else. A culture which exalts the arts and the human spirit above all else. A civilization worthy of the word "civilized".

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My views are a combination of anarchist communism and veganarchism, which could be called veg-anarcho-communism.

Veganarchism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganarchism

Anarcho-communism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

Can you sum up your personal views on these issues? Kind of interesting.
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Can you sum up your personal views on these issues? Kind of interesting.

Here's an explanation of the anarcho-communist idea:

I believe in a stateless, classless, society with no private property and where wealth,resources, goods, and services are distributed "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs, basically a gift economy where instead of business everything is managed by workers-run collectives and worker's councils with united federations of communes and unions making up the countries using direct democracy among the workers about how the work should be managed. Work would be done with a social motive to help society, not for profit or personal individual gain. I don't believe That an authoritative government should control the people but the people should manage themselves collectively. Nobody should be oppressed by someone "higher" than themselves. People should be able to do whatever they want so long as it doesnt hurt anyone else and people should treat others how they want to be treated. People that rape or kill should be rehabilitated, not punished. The borders to countries should be torn down so workers can work wherever they want. The workers would be organized into voluntary associations free from exploitation.

Here's the veganarchist idea:

Animals should live free from oppression and exploitation. Animals are entitled to their own lives and wills and should not be captured and forced to be in rodeos, circuses, zoos, "sea worlds", as pets, as food or to make clothes. The only pets should be rescued and adopted or or in some cases captive bred, not stolen from their natural evironments. There should be no hunting, fishing, animal farming, no wildlife should be under control from any wildlife management. Natural wildlife areas, forest, parks would be protected. The only authority that should be used over animals is the ones that naturally develop in their species. Although self-defense would be allowed. A veganarchist society would focus on protecting the evironment and all the creatures that share it.

The veganarchist idea might not sound to realistic, but its something I'll always hope for.

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Jackwagon?!?

Left here.

What Rotoshave said. I heard it on a commercial.
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I'm liberal, I suppose. But the whole American way of classifying people as left or right/liberal or conservative seems dumb to me.
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No Green Party option?
I chose left of center as the lesser of two evils.
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I've kept this poll simple with two options. No "in the middle" or "centrist" options! Pick which one you feel is closer to you.

Unfortunately, the poll exhibits the same problem that exists in society, the belief that people must be all one thing or all the other.

I am, very clearly, a social liberal. I don't believe in killing animals, not even bad people, and don't believe that it is anyone's place to tell anyone else what they must believe in or not believe in, who they can or cannot consider their family, etc. I believe government should keep its nose out of people's bedrooms, keep its nose out of people's religious practices (within reason), and keep its nose out of people's legal efforts to change society.

At the same time, I'm very clearly fiscally conservative: I believe in keeping the national budget deficit as small as possible; that government should pay its bills, instead of borrowing, even if that means doing less. I also believe that government should mostly keep its nose out of business, and should never put the self-centered cravings for more consumer consumption above what's best for workers and investors.

So I'd have to check both boxes, half-way.
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i'm a socialist. voted left.

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No Green Party option?
I chose left of center as the lesser of two evils.

How far left is the green party? Can you explain how much different they are from democrats? I havent payed that much attention to them.

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i'm a socialist. voted left.

What kind of socialist?

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Yeah I'm an anarchist (specifically Anarcho-Primitivism) but never stated that in my original post.

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How far left is the green party? Can you explain how much different they are from democrats? I havent payed that much attention to them.

The Green Party basically is what the Democrat Party would be in Dennis Kucinich led it and everybody in the party agreed with him.

I'm a bioregionalist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioregionalism Politics can't be divorced from politics and certainly not from local areas.

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Interesting answers, well thought out. Have to respect people for saying what they believe.

I am so far right that in my opinion the United States has never had a to the right President as long as Ive been alive.
I looked at President Bush as too far left, and from where I stand I cant even squint and see obama he is so far left.. matter of fact, if right and left were a circle, I might be able to look to my right and see where he stands.
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What kind of socialist?

the kind that would like to see government having a larger role in production, economic decisions, health care, and what not. i am very liberal with personal freedoms but believe that businesses should be tightly controlled. though i would not say i am completely socialist. this coming from someone who has an MBA with a specialization in finance. my views were very very different than nearly all of my classmates and professors throughout college.

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the kind that would like to see government having a larger role in production, economic decisions, health care, and what not. i am very liberal with personal freedoms but believe that businesses should be tightly controlled. though i would not say i am completely socialist. this coming from someone who has an MBA with a specialization in finance. my views were very very different than nearly all of my classmates and professors throughout college.

So you're a democratic socialist?:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism Does that means your prefered system is one like the netherlands?

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How far left is the green party? Can you explain how much different they are from democrats?

The Green Party emphasizes community-based political involvement and grassroots democracy. This is perhaps one major difference between the Green Party and the Democratic Party, but there are many similar qualities. A major part of the GP platform is environmental sustainability and quality education, which are things I am very passionate about. Additionally, the GP avoids unhealthy corporate relationships by only accepting independent funding. On one hand, this keeps the party from gaining enough financial stability to gain support, but it also shakes off corporate influence. In the US, the National Green Party is made up of individual state parties.

So for instance, in a perfect world as described by the GP, decision-making would be aggregated to the people as a direct vote, education would be of the highest order and an integral part of society, we would operate in an environmentally sustainable way, and all people would have equal rights regardless of gender, sexuality, race, etc.

As for the left/right polarity, it's pretty far left, as it embraces the concept of social liberalism, which many people see as very socialist.

Here is a link to the platform: http://www.gp.org/platform.shtml



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Interesting answers, well thought out. Have to respect people for saying what they believe.

I am so far right that in my opinion the United States has never had a to the right President as long as Ive been alive.
I looked at President Bush as too far left, and from where I stand I cant even squint and see obama he is so far left.. matter of fact, if right and left were a circle, I might be able to look to my right and see where he stands.

Would you mind explaining how George Bush was too far left? I'm just curious. Also, I'm glad we have some political diversity in this forum.
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I looked at President Bush as too far left, and from where I stand I cant even squint and see obama he is so far left.. matter of fact, if right and left were a circle, I might be able to look to my right and see where he stands.

When was your last eye test?

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When was your last eye test?

That just means hes so far right he sees Bush as being left, which means hes really far right.

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