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#121 Old 04-03-2011, 06:55 AM
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but if talking about anarcho communism on a bigger scale, it would basically have to be worldwide, or become just another cause of misery in the world well...it would be epic for everyone in the country itself, but other countries would lose trade and aid money and stuff. but i guess it would cut back on war...my brain is going in circles, im just gonna post this now~

I would argue that the removal of hegemonic power in the West would lead to a worldwide revolution. It is the dominance of the West in business and international banking that leads to the reliance on our aid money - were that removed, third world debt would essentially be reduced to functionally nothing. The main obstacle to everything, though, would be international corporations rather than countries.
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I was surprised that so many women in my Ethics class seemed to be leaning towards pro-life, whereas the men seemed a bit split.

As for the statement (Kappa's?) that anarchism can't be consistent with forbidding abortions, I'm not entirely sure I agree (and I say this as someone who's staunchly pro-choice with anarchist leanings). Some would make the argument that veganarchism is something that involves contradictory components: that the insistence on veganism denies bodily autonomy, the right for people to choose what kind of diet they want. If anarchism is consistent with animal rights, can't it be consistent with fetal rights?

Again, I'm not advocating such a theory myself. Women aren't free if we don't have control of our own bodies.

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I was surprised that so many women in my Ethics class seemed to be leaning towards pro-life, whereas the men seemed a bit split.

As for the statement (Kappa's?) that anarchism can't be consistent with forbidding abortions, I'm not entirely sure I agree (and I say this as someone who's staunchly pro-choice with anarchist leanings). Some would make the argument that veganarchism is something that involves contradictory components: that the insistence on veganism denies bodily autonomy, the right for people to choose what kind of diet they want. If anarchism is consistent with animal rights, can't it be consistent with fetal rights?

Again, I'm not advocating such a theory myself. Women aren't free if we don't have control of our own bodies.

Anarchism can be consistent with pro life ideas... on an individual level. It just can't be prescriptive, because in anarchism, no-one has any right to impinge on another's body sovereignty. Personally I don't extend veganism to fetal matters, because I think it only serves to reinforce masculinist hegemonies.

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So in the ideal anarchist "state", what happens if some of the people don't want to be vegan?

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So in the ideal anarchist "state", what happens if some of the people don't want to be vegan?

Arguably for a system of total anarchy to be in effect the speciesism, sexism and other hegemonies that exist nowadays will have melted away. The best way to deal with that, though, is social disassociation. If someone kills an animal, not allowing them to be a part of your social group until they commit to changing works. With the mechanisms of industrial society removed, though, and a community effort to retain food sources, etc, I think that the old adage about slaughterhouses having glass walls might be literalised and that might not be a problem.

If other people then wanted to have a community where pro life ideas were upheld and anyone that had an abortion was excluded, of course they'd be welcome to, but I think that that sort of thing is best retained as a totally individual thing. But again, in a perfect world where existing power structures have been discredited, the pro life/choice thing would be less important, since it would hold no political sway, etc.

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Left, I guess. The party I vote for in Canada, is far left, so, yeah.

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I would argue that the removal of hegemonic power in the West would lead to a worldwide revolution. It is the dominance of the West in business and international banking that leads to the reliance on our aid money - were that removed, third world debt would essentially be reduced to functionally nothing. The main obstacle to everything, though, would be international corporations rather than countries.

epic point! i never think of these things! my pro anarcho-communism argument has been strengthened! now all i need is to come up with a plan for converting the worlds governments :/

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I was surprised that so many women in my Ethics class seemed to be leaning towards pro-life, whereas the men seemed a bit split.

As for the statement (Kappa's?) that anarchism can't be consistent with forbidding abortions, I'm not entirely sure I agree (and I say this as someone who's staunchly pro-choice with anarchist leanings). Some would make the argument that veganarchism is something that involves contradictory components: that the insistence on veganism denies bodily autonomy, the right for people to choose what kind of diet they want. If anarchism is consistent with animal rights, can't it be consistent with fetal rights?

Again, I'm not advocating such a theory myself. Women aren't free if we don't have control of our own bodies.

but at what point does freedom justify murder? theres true freedom, and then theres what we have been led to believe is freedom by the government and the media. id say abortion is the latter.
im at an all girls school, and every single person in the class (of 27) is pro choice apart from me and a catholic. o.o its like, the opposite of what you found...

none of us can ever have full control of our own bodies. we can't control when we're born, when we die, how fast we can run, how many injuries we sustain. control of body isnt to do with freedom. a person paralyzed from the waist down is still as free as you or me.
abortion is inconsistent with both vegetarianism and veganism. a foetus is a life without a voice, same as animals. equality does not stem from murder of animals, so why the unborn?

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but at what point does freedom justify murder? theres true freedom, and then theres what we have been led to believe is freedom by the government and the media. id say abortion is the latter.

Well, veganism is generally defined as the exclusion of all *non-human* animal products, and while eradicating Speciesist barriers is important, I think that in the case of abortion it should inherently be limited to the individual, who should not be judged. Thousands of women die every year in areas where patriarchal governments have suppressed abortion, forced to turn to back street doctors, hack 'n' slash home methods, and horrifyingly in recent years, internet-ordered abortifacients. So, pragmatically speaking, it should be the right of the individual to choose what to do if they are pregnant against their will (keeping in mind that in areas where abortion is limited, sexual violence is high.) Women in horrible situations will turn to abortion whether or not they are culturally permitted to, and that option should be there for them, because otherwise it's putting the woman's life in danger as well.
I would love to see a world where abortion wasn't needed, but it's unlikely to exist anytime soon, and telling people that they can't do it isn't going to help anything. Striking the root of the problem with education, women's action groups and challenging of sexual and domestic violence goes a long way to fixing it. Calling the act itself traumatic and shaming those involved? It only polarises the debate when it is unneeded, we're all adults and need to realise that realistically speaking, abortion is an important option for many people, and will continue to be so until women are equal.

I tried to avoid discussing what is and isn't like above not out of lack of arguments, but rather because I'm addressing why it's important as a pragmatic choice in these times and cultures we have now.

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Well, veganism is generally defined as the exclusion of all *non-human* animal products, and while eradicating Speciesist barriers is important, I think that in the case of abortion it should inherently be limited to the individual, who should not be judged. Thousands of women die every year in areas where patriarchal governments have suppressed abortion, forced to turn to back street doctors, hack 'n' slash home methods, and horrifyingly in recent years, internet-ordered abortifacients. So, pragmatically speaking, it should be the right of the individual to choose what to do if they are pregnant against their will (keeping in mind that in areas where abortion is limited, sexual violence is high.) Women in horrible situations will turn to abortion whether or not they are culturally permitted to, and that option should be there for them, because otherwise it's putting the woman's life in danger as well.
I would love to see a world where abortion wasn't needed, but it's unlikely to exist anytime soon, and telling people that they can't do it isn't going to help anything. Striking the root of the problem with education, women's action groups and challenging of sexual and domestic violence goes a long way to fixing it. Calling the act itself traumatic and shaming those involved? It only polarises the debate when it is unneeded, we're all adults and need to realise that realistically speaking, abortion is an important option for many people, and will continue to be so until women are equal.

I tried to avoid discussing what is and isn't like above not out of lack of arguments, but rather because I'm addressing why it's important as a pragmatic choice in these times and cultures we have now.

i understand all that. i just get upset by the idea of abortion, but at the end of the day, if i hear somebody wants/is having an abortion, i dont judge. i dont even think it should be banned, i mean, im strongly against it but banning it just makes it less safe, its still gonna happen. if i were to ever get pregnant i would slap myself if i even thought about abortion, but i dont apply my opinion on things as confusing as abortion to anyone but myself...if i ruled the world, nobody would have any idea of what was going on e.e

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So in the ideal anarchist "state", what happens if some of the people don't want to be vegan?

To me, anarchism is a lot about personal choices. I wouldn't care if some people eat meat.

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i understand all that. i just get upset by the idea of abortion, but at the end of the day, if i hear somebody wants/is having an abortion, i dont judge. i dont even think it should be banned, i mean, im strongly against it but banning it just makes it less safe, its still gonna happen. if i were to ever get pregnant i would slap myself if i even thought about abortion, but i dont apply my opinion on things as confusing as abortion to anyone but myself...if i ruled the world, nobody would have any idea of what was going on e.e

Yea, sorry if that came on too preachy. I just liked the chance to introduce the idea without it exploding into a huge debate full of emotion. I completely understand your stance as well.

@DoktorMartini: Hmmm, that's a sort of individualist stance that I can't quite get behind. There's too much aspect of community in anarchism, and although I would never tell someone what to do or not, I think that sometimes people do things that I wouldn't want included in my community.

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Arguably for a system of total anarchy to be in effect the speciesism, sexism and other hegemonies that exist nowadays will have melted away. The best way to deal with that, though, is social disassociation. If someone kills an animal, not allowing them to be a part of your social group until they commit to changing works.

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With the mechanisms of industrial society removed, though, and a community effort to retain food sources, etc, I think that the old adage about slaughterhouses having glass walls might be literalised and that might not be a problem.

I'm not entirely sure about this, though. I live in the country, and I've encountered lots of people who have absolutely no problem raising and killing animals. The struggling, the blood and guts... doesn't phase them. There'd be nothing stopping these people from setting up their own anarchist communities / "states" and doing this for themselves.

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but at what point does freedom justify murder? theres true freedom, and then theres what we have been led to believe is freedom by the government and the media. id say abortion is the latter.

I don't think I have time to fully explore my views on this matter right now, as my own position on abortion is kind of complicated. I will say that I don't consider all death to be murder (an exception, for example, would be euthanasia, or killing in a just war), and I don't personally consider ending the life of a few cells with no consciousness to be murder. This is why I'd favor speeding up and improving our health care systems to allow girls and women to have abortions as early as possible if they're going to have them.

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abortion is inconsistent with both vegetarianism and veganism. a foetus is a life without a voice, same as animals. equality does not stem from murder of animals, so why the unborn?

I'm an anti-natalist. I think beings are better off not being born. So, I think abortion of life at the stage of cluster of cells is actually a good thing for the being that is aborted. He or she is spared life in this world, a life of being vulnerable to suffering, to death.

It's different when beings are autonomous, when they can choose to stay in the world. A cluster of cells that will become a person has no such choice: they are thrust into the world. I think an early abortion, to spare this person from the vulnerable condition that is life, can be seen as a compassionate act.

I know this will strike people as an odd and twisted view. Perhaps I'll start an anti-natalist thread here, too, (as I've done elsewhere) so we can explore that, too.

I'll also add here that while this is my philosophical view, my own personal, emotional view of it contrasts to it completely. I don't think I could ever have an abortion myself, even though I think early abortion is the right choice to make. In the same way I think killing a desperately sick animal with no chance of survival might be the right thing to do, to spare it another hour of suffering say, I'm not sure I could do it. I don't know if I have what it takes to kill, even if it's the right thing to do.

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I am not sure about this, for I don't know whether Marx sympathized with the vegan movement and since I am 16 I cannot convert the house of my residence into a place powered in an eco-friendly way (otherwise I would convert it as such), but I feel that I am either Marxist or closest to being Marxist. If I only feel close to Marxism, that may be because I think that people who torture animals without remorse should receive the electric chair.
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In most political quizzes when using both left/right and authoritarian/libertarian axes, I end up in the libertarian-left quadrant. I would say I am a progressive.
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Socialism and organized vegetarianism were both players in the universe of 19th century reform and radicalism. The interactions between the various movements really defy simple explanations. Many vegetarians were socialists despite Marx and Engles' low opinion of vegetarianism. The humane movement of the time was often frustratingly classist, yet working class people played a huge role in the anti-vivisection Brown Dog Riots. Vegetarianism even made inroads with the working class thanks largely to the writings of Percy Shelley. One thing that often trips up modern folks looking at this history is a failure to realize/acknowledge that animal protection, antivivisectionism, and vegetarianism were SEPERATE movements with complex relationships. To an extent they still are, no matter how much we wish otherwise.
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I hate how you are expected to be either one or the other. I have very liberal views on a lot of things, but am pretty conservative on others. I know everyone is to an extent, but I'm pretty evenly split down the board.
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i take from both sides. I'm a gun toting, federal gov't fearing, liberal who's become way more moderate as i've gotten older. I was very leftist when i was young and have adopted more conservative views on some issues.

i probably fall into a libertarian leaning more than most others at this point.

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For me saying left or right is so....black and white. I suppose I am left, but I am so much more than that.

What I am for is equal opportunity for everyone regardless of background(I want government healthcare and education)

I want us to take care of the unfortunate to give them a chance at life instead of leaving them on the streets.

I want mandatory enforcement of using only recyclable packaging(seriously how have we not done this already?) and to move towards clean energy.

And I want a mean old mother to host political debates. The second you start bashing the other parties you get your mouth washed out with soap on national TV. Currently watching political debates in canada is the same as going to a playground and watching children call eachother names. It's pathetic.



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Here's how I scored on the 4-quad graph. I'm more liberal than either Obama or Bill Clinton, and about equal with Clinton on a "right/left" scale, which does not mean I necessarily support Hillary. I like Bernie.
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Hey Capstan, do you have a link for the quiz that generated that graph?

I always end up in that quadrant, just further to the left on the X axis, but my position on the Y axis varies from quiz to quiz.

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Progressive, left-leaning Socialist. With that said, I feel that a lot of times in vegan circles it's expected that one will be a liberal, so I can see where this would be very isolating for more conservative people, politically speaking, who also happen to embrace animal activism. I find this happens a lot in atheist groups as well. While American atheists do seem to trend on the liberal side of the political spectrum, there are conservative atheists who express frustration over how their unique voices and experiences tend to be droned out by the assumption that everyone in this group or that group follows a prescribed political ideology.
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Progressive liberal over here. I always find it odd when a vegan/vegetarian/educated individual period identifies with the conservative right (which is neither, in my opinion).
I hope everyone goes vegan, "even" conservatives and libertarians.

I (vegan 11 plus years) just took the quiz and got:

"Right-liberalism (Libertarianism): Individuals in this quadrant seek to uphold liberty as the primary political good in all respects. They tend to see themselves as staunch supporters of both personal and economic freedom and are deeply skeptical of collective plans and goals, stressing instead the principle of voluntary association and the individual’s capacity to make his own judgments. They typically see less of a role for the state than individuals in the other three quadrants, believing instead in the spontaneous social order of the market."

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Same here. I would hope feeling as if there isn't a place within the vegan community for someone politically conservative wouldn't discourage someone from taking the leap.
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Same here. I would hope feeling as if there isn't a place within the vegan community for someone politically conservative wouldn't discourage someone from taking the leap.
You should see the pile-ons here when anyone expresses a conservative view.
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