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#91 Old 03-12-2011, 08:53 PM
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Interesting thread.

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

Oh, I've done that quiz before, too. Let me see if I can find my results...

Okay, I didn't save my actual numbers, but I have the graph of my score. It looks like I'm -9 on the dot for economic left/right, and -7.8ish for social libertarian/authoritarian.

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But yea, I'm sick of party politics - especially, sorry Kimberlily1983, Green party politics. I think it holds real progress back, makes people think there is a leading class that will sort everything out and can tell them what to do. When it comes to green politics too, having a suited white man at the top telling everyone what to do undermines the grassroots and makes people more steadfast AGAINST positive direction. Also I now feel like I have to write clunky things like 'positive direction' instead of 'change' because of Obama. :/ Sick of political BRANDS.

No apologies necessary, Kappa. I have to say I feel pretty disillusioned with traditional politics myself right now.

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#92 Old 03-13-2011, 08:26 AM
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Most would consider my views to be far left, but I hope they become mainstream in my lifetime.
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#93 Old 03-14-2011, 09:15 PM
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Most would consider my views to be far left, but I hope they become mainstream in my lifetime.



I'd definitely like to see the far right disappear completely, and by that I mean far right in terms of religion/social values. Those who want to impose their values on the rest of us. There's plenty of room for people who believe almost anything, so long as they respect others' rights and freedoms.

In the States at least, it seems like all there is is far right and center, at least economically speaking. There's no real left anymore. Everyone's afraid of the word socialism.

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#94 Old 03-29-2011, 01:25 PM
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I'm not a vegetarian or vegan, though I have no problem with anyone who chooses to pursue that dietary ethic as a lifestyle. I am troubled, however, by how many vegans and vegetarians just assume that they are part of the political Left, when there are so many reactionary undercurrents that inform their ideology. Recently I wrote a blog entry offering a leftist critique of the ideology of Green environmentalism, deep ecology, eco-feminism, and lifestyle politics in general (veganism, dumpster diving, buying organic, "locavorism," etc.). Id be interested to hear your thoughts on the matter and any responses you might have to its criticisms.
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I'm not a vegetarian or vegan, though I have no problem with anyone who chooses to pursue that dietary ethic as a lifestyle. I am troubled, however, by how many vegans and vegetarians just assume that they are part of the political Left, when there are so many reactionary undercurrents that inform their ideology. Recently I wrote a blog entry offering a leftist critique of the ideology of “Green” environmentalism, deep ecology, eco-feminism, and lifestyle politics in general (veganism, “dumpster diving,” “buying organic,” "locavorism," etc.). I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the matter and any responses you might have to its criticisms.

You seem to base your ideas in misunderstandings of a lot of the movements you discuss, and I think your attack on Lifestylism is particularly weak, showing a lack of understanding of actual politically informed Lifestylists rather than the obscure (really, I've never seen the type you refer to other than kids just getting into the thing) trend you refer to.
It would figure that I would disagree with you, you seem to have a Trot mind...

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I was raised by strict Italian Catholic rebublican parents (I am still recovering ) I took one of those political tests and quite literally came out smack dab in the center...I don't register with either party...I really hate politics to be honest, and often run from the room screaming when the topic comes up. but generally speaking, i am socially very liberal but a bit more conservative on fiscal issues. I dont care for extremes on either side,

the thing I hate about politics the most is many people are unable to even talk about their differences without it becoming a mess and arguments and name calling etc... it all makes me very twitchy
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This is what I got:
Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

I honestly I have no idea what that means. If someone wants to tell me I'd gladly appreciate it!

I've been vegan for 5 days now, so I hope it's ok to post on the topic. >.<

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This is what I got:
Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

I honestly I have no idea what that means. If someone wants to tell me I'd gladly appreciate it!

I've been vegan for 5 days now, so I hope it's ok to post on the topic. >.<

It's means you're a good for nothing hippie anarchist. Welcome to the club...


Seriously though, as far as I remember that's about where Gandhi came?

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It's means you're a good for nothing hippie anarchist. Welcome to the club...


Seriously though, as far as I remember that's about where Gandhi came?

Thanks Kappa! LOL. I'll take it! It is pretty close to Gandhi a little bit lower. YAY! GO HIPPIE ANARCHIST!

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I'm mostly left wing, but on a few issues, I'm more right wing (e.g. economy, immigration issues).
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Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97

I have moved more left than the last time I took one of these. change is good
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Just took the test.

Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

Like Gandhi! Somewhere between communist and anarchist.

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That's confusing... the liberal party is considered right leaning here.
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Just took the test.

Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

Like Gandhi! Somewhere between communist and anarchist.

That's pretty far away from State Socialism actually, very much in purely anarchist territory, maybe anarcho-syndicalist.

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That's pretty far away from State Socialism actually, very much in purely anarchist territory, maybe anarcho-syndicalist.

Yeah that part confused me.

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Yeah that part confused me.

You should read something about Anarcho-Communism then, it might seem like a cooler idea than having a state. And let's face it, 'Veganarchist' is an awesome word.

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You should read something about Anarcho-Communism then, it might seem like a cooler idea than having a state. And let's face it, 'Veganarchist' is an awesome word.

I think I will do that. Veganarchists unite!

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I'm neither one specifically. So I guess I'm in the middle!

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I think I will do that. Veganarchists unite!

I don't feel that I've done enough studying of politics to say definitively where I stand, but I've been interested in socialism for a little while now, and have been gravitating towards the libertarian / anarchist side of it (vs. state socialism, which seems to have some of the same problems as capitalism, though I suspect it would be better nonetheless). I like the ideas behind veganarchism.

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im an anarcho-communist. and every time i see the world politics i get the song by propagandhi "the only good fascist is a very dead fascist" running through my head...

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im an anarcho-communist. and every time i see the world politics i get the song by propagandhi "the only good fascist is a very dead fascist" running through my head...

I <3 Propagandhi!

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I <3 Propagandhi!

they're awesome! the first song i heard by them was purina hall of fame, when i was trying to find videos i could use to convince my mum to let me go vegan. didnt work. she found them too upsetting to watch, yet still said no to veganism...hypocrisy, much? anyway, threatening hunger strike worked pretty well

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Not sure what I am. Death penalty = wrong, abortion = wrong. That right there means neither left nor right. I choose blue.

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Death penalty = wrong, abortion = wrong.

haifive!

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Not sure what I am. Death penalty = wrong, abortion = wrong. That right there means neither left nor right. I choose blue.

Me too. Why is it always left or right? Why no forward or back, up or down? Inner or outer? It's so one-dimensional.

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Me too. Why is it always left or right? Why no forward or back, up or down? Inner or outer? It's so one-dimensional.

You missed the whole use of Political Compass didn't you :P


@vegancheez: I'm not starting a debate on the ethics of abortion, but you cannot be an anarchist if you intend to impose your opinion that 'abortion = wrong' on others, it violates one of the most important tenants of body sovereignty that anarchism should protect.

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I'm not starting a debate on the ethics of abortion, but you cannot be an anarchist if you intend to impose your opinion that 'abortion = wrong' on others, it violates one of the most important tenants of body sovereignty that anarchism should protect.

good point. incidentally, i have been debating with myself whether anarcho communism works in a way that is actually beneficial to everyone. i have decided on this:
it would only work if the whole world went anarcho-communist, as with the abolishment of currency, we would be forced to go isolationist, and that is evil in my opinion.

and also. my opinions are my opinions. i argue for them, make a stand for them, am prepared to die for some of them. but that doesn't mean i expect others to follow them. my opinions dictate how i judge myself, and yeah, if i see someone eating meat i rage inside, and when we talk about abortion in ethics and the teacher asks who is pro life and im the only one in a class of about thirty, that makes me a little sad, but at the end of the day, forcing opinions on people is never okay.

ok, i have no idea what i just wrote. hmm...i suppose my point would be something like yay! pro life ftw! but it shouldnt be forced on people.

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good point. incidentally, i have been debating with myself whether anarcho communism works in a way that is actually beneficial to everyone. i have decided on this:
it would only work if the whole world went anarcho-communist, as with the abolishment of currency, we would be forced to go isolationist, and that is evil in my opinion.

There's no need to isolate oneself to maintain an anarchist ideology. Living in collectives in lifestyle anarchism is an alternative to isolation, and allows a wide network of squatters, anarchists, etc to meet. And realistically some people aren't ready or capable to live in a squat, so there's no shame in actually working, etc. I know plenty of anarchists with jobs, but they tend to try to get socially rather than invidually gainful employment; working in bike stores, as nurses, etc.


But returning to what you mentioned up the page, I never really listened to much Propagandhi. I think I distrusted them because of the label they were on now I think about it.

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Far left. And I'd love to say that I'm all happy-slappy nothing wrong with being either way, but no. Unlike religion where I say that I do not fight the religion and only the ignorance that plagues it, this entire movement IS the ignorance that plagues religion, and a large portion of the U.S.

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There's no need to isolate oneself to maintain an anarchist ideology. Living in collectives in lifestyle anarchism is an alternative to isolation, and allows a wide network of squatters, anarchists, etc to meet. And realistically some people aren't ready or capable to live in a squat, so there's no shame in actually working, etc. I know plenty of anarchists with jobs, but they tend to try to get socially rather than invidually gainful employment; working in bike stores, as nurses, etc.

but if talking about anarcho communism on a bigger scale, it would basically have to be worldwide, or become just another cause of misery in the world well...it would be epic for everyone in the country itself, but other countries would lose trade and aid money and stuff. but i guess it would cut back on war...my brain is going in circles, im just gonna post this now~

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