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#121 Old 11-23-2010, 09:20 PM
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It's pretty incredible how widespread this girl's post has become. A ton of people have latched onto it to wage their anti-vegan crusades. It's kind of frightening how many omnivores so thoroughly hate, loathe, and detest vegans. I hope Tasha is happy she has hurt so many people.
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#122 Old 11-23-2010, 09:28 PM
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It's pretty incredible how widespread this girl's post has become. A ton of people have latched onto it to wage their anti-vegan crusades. It's kind of frightening how many omnivores so thoroughly hate, loathe, and detest vegans. I hope Tasha is happy she has hurt so many people.

I know, I saw it posted on Reddit yesterday with a title like "Girl quits vegan because of her health, gets death threats from supposedly compassionate and loving wackos."

This is not good PR...

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I can't help but laugh at the absurdity of the whole situation. This woman has caused a lot of damage, but only because of how readily people latch onto ridiculous claims that help them rationalize.

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#124 Old 11-23-2010, 09:46 PM
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I hope Tasha is happy she has hurt so many people.

what do you mean by she hurt so many people ??
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#125 Old 11-24-2010, 03:11 AM
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A ton of people have latched onto it to wage their anti-vegan crusades. It's kind of frightening how many omnivores so thoroughly hate, loathe, and detest vegans.

I think it is because they are being defensive. Vegans are a very easy target as we are such a minority.
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what do you mean by she hurt so many people ??

Probably that this will be used against us. It will be taken as evidence that veganism is unhealthy and misguided. That people who are raising their children on vegan diets are ruining their health etc.

(For those who didn't see this the previous 7 times I posted it: http://www.theveganrd.com/2010/11/do...gan-diets.html )
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Probably that this will be used against us. It will be taken as evidence that veganism is unhealthy and misguided. That people who are raising their children on vegan diets are ruining their health etc.

(For those who didn't see this the previous 7 times I posted it: http://www.theveganrd.com/2010/11/do...gan-diets.html )

That link is REALLY useful, I don't think you can post it too much! I'm definitely posting it as a response if I find anyone using this girls blog to bash vegans.

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#128 Old 11-24-2010, 04:17 AM
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I think it is because they are being defensive. Vegans are a very easy target as we are such a minority.

Yeah, very true. I mean, vegetarians are a minority and are considered weird enough, but vegans are seen as SUPER weird so we get the most backlash and are hurt the most by incidents like this.

That kind of thing is inevitable with any kind of social change though, and the bigger the change the more resistance you get. Just think of how much flack the suffragettes got for believing women had the right to vote.

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Probably that this will be used against us. It will be taken as evidence that veganism is unhealthy and misguided. That people who are raising their children on vegan diets are ruining their health etc.

tbh, i think youre all affording her way too much power. i mean, when you think about it, shes just some hi mantenance girl who ran a cheaparse blog. with the internet being the way it is, next week she will probably be forgotten.
im pretty confident that the only reason so many omnis in the u.s. have jumped on her bandwagon to back her up is because they know veganism is gaining popularity & mainstream acceptance & they dont like it. now if someone as powerful as ellen degeneres were to fall off the wagon, then id be a bit more pissed off. until then, i reckon its not worth stressing too much
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I think her point was something different, about how some vegan arguments are misogynistic for "attacking the body" or whatever. That's what I find confusing.

I have no idea, honestly. There are two websites she links (Paleosister and The Non-Practicing Vegan) that talk about this; unfortunately, I can't find which exact post they talk about it in. But on one, I think it was Paleosister, she talked about the argument I was paraphrasing before.

It's a concept I don't understand particularly well, so sorry if I explained poorly. I'm more or less as confused as you are.

My guess, based on how you explained it, is that veganism "attacks the body" because women go towards it as a way to break out of the patriarchy but end up feeling tied to it; if they return to being omnivores, which these people believe they will eventually do, then this vegan-feminism says they have failed and are subjecting themselves to patriarchy by eating meat. So I guess her point is that it's ok to be an omnivorous feminist, and to disagree with that vegan-feminist view? Don't quote me on it, though.

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The nutritionist in IS's link makes the very opposite claim.

You're right; now that I found that link, it was a very good article.

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I believe you might be thinking of a study (or rumors originating from that specific study) that focused on a couple of vitamins, but did not look at B12 and several others, and I don't think minerals were studied either.

Probably. It's something I heard a lot growing up, but it may well have come from that. Thank you for that link, by the way.

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Clarita, Vegans who don't supplement with B12 are playing a very dangerous game with their health.

Oh, I know. I take a supplement. I just meant that growing up, I'd heard that supplements weren't as good as the real thing - NOT that they were worthless.
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I just read some parts near the end of that way overlong blog entry and got to all the stuff about "cycle of life and death". Holy ****, when she needed to rationalize her current choice as the best one, she really went all the way

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If people would stop giving it so much attention, it would go away. Chill out guys.

You're gonna make me puke my pants.
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If people would stop giving it so much attention, it would go away. Chill out guys.

This is what I was thinking... if veg*ns stopped posting about it, then the omnis probably wouldn't even know about it, and wouldn't be spamming us all with it, saying "SEE! We told you your diet was stupid!".


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I have no idea, honestly. There are two websites she links (Paleosister and The Non-Practicing Vegan) that talk about this; unfortunately, I can't find which exact post they talk about it in. But on one, I think it was Paleosister, she talked about the argument I was paraphrasing before.

It's a concept I don't understand particularly well, so sorry if I explained poorly. I'm more or less as confused as you are.

My guess, based on how you explained it, is that veganism "attacks the body" because women go towards it as a way to break out of the patriarchy but end up feeling tied to it; if they return to being omnivores, which these people believe they will eventually do, then this vegan-feminism says they have failed and are subjecting themselves to patriarchy by eating meat. So I guess her point is that it's ok to be an omnivorous feminist, and to disagree with that vegan-feminist view? Don't quote me on it, though.

IIRC, Voracious Vegan has posted a few times about fat/size acceptance, which is a movement I'm really interested in. One of the tenets of fat acceptance is to listen to your body and give it the foods that make it feel good, rather than choosing foods based on whether or not they're "healthy" or "low-fat" or whatever. I think what VV is saying is that, if she is told she "can't" have non-vegan foods because they're bad for animals and the environment etc., that's just as misogynist as telling her that she "can't" have chocolate cake (or whatever) because it'll make her fat.

As a feminist, a fat acceptance ally, and a vegan, I think that argument is totally bogus. The pressures on women to stay slim are pretty clearly different from the pressures on a vegan to stay vegan (as if those pressures even exist - the pressures, I'd say, are almost always in the opposite direction). Choosing to abstain from certain foods out of compassion, logic, and rationality is not like choosing to abstain from certain foods out of a fear of fat, and the differences are so obvious that I'm not going to bother listing them.

To be honest, I think that VV knows she's completely full of ****, and it drives me bonkers to see all those comments calling her "so brave" just for going back to doing something that 99% of the population does. I mean, wow, eating bacon, what a rebel.
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If people would stop giving it so much attention, it would go away. Chill out guys.

So what are you saying, that I should just completely halt production on my upcoming $15,200,000 budget documentary That Voracious Ex-vegan and Her Bull**** Arguments, after all this trouble of finding the production company and the interviewees etc.? Nice.

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I just read some parts near the end of that way overlong blog entry and got to all the stuff about "cycle of life and death". Holy ****, when she needed to rationalize her current choice as the best one, she really went all the way

I think I read she was a Ph.d. student in sociology or some such? I think it just goes with the territory that her writings need to be of a certain length.

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I think I read she was a Ph.d. student in sociology or some such?

I read that she was a very dedicated sociology student who used to post stuff in her blog about how important sociology is, but then she developed this really bad headache, and with the help of a doctor who was educated via a two-week correspondence course, she discovered that studying sociology caused all the headaches, so then she quit that **** and posted a long blog entry about why sociology is one of the worst scientific fields ever founded, and how all its methods are intellectually bankrupt and all its results empirically and theoretically questionable.

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So what are you saying, that I should just completely halt production on my upcoming $15,200,000 budget documentary That Voracious Ex-vegan and Her Bull**** Arguments, after all this trouble of finding the production company and the interviewees etc.? Nice.

I think you just need a better title. Also, more industry lingo - you didn't say "game-changer" even once.
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I mean, wow, eating bacon, what a rebel.

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I actually just had a friend of mine try to "use this against me" about an hour ago...like an "aha" thing. I promptly referred her to Ginny's counter argument and I reminded her of Vegan Outreach's philosophy of harm reduction, and that it's not my intention that every single person in the world become vegan.
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I think that story was crap and paid for by some meat industry group, to stop the advance of veganism.

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I'm not completely against the idea that not everyone can be vegan, but that whole blog read like a piece of fiction, and bad fiction at that. I would tend towards the idea that she is working for the meat industry, in a long term undercover capacity...oh, she got emails from vegan bloggers saying they ate fish did she? there goes our big secret!

and the comments read like fiction, even the anti-ones did.

EXACTLY **continues reading comments**

ETA - I *AM* iron anemic and have B12 deficiency and it is not causing me to need meat. My iron and sublingual B-12 supplements are fine.
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Check out this hilarious refute: An Omnivore No More

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^ Good one!
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Check out this hilarious refute: An Omnivore No More

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Love it! Shared it on my FB too.

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I'd read a patch that said "Never trust an ex-vegan", but I always thought that was extreme! Who could possibly know about all the torture, be passionate enough to change their diet, and then one day decide they didn't care...at all!

From what I know she has dogs and a cat....how could she look into their faces and think...Mmmm, the things I could cook with your flesh!

btw, she has good links at the end of her blog - one of them being IS's link (which needs to mentioned again and again:
http://www.theveganrd.com/2010/11/do-ex-vegans%E2%80%99-stories-make-the-case-against-vegan-diets.html )


Lastly, her doctor told her to eat eggs - so how did she hear bacon?
Her hearing needs to be checked!
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"I also recognize that the massive production of grain is what led to the creation of factory farms in the first place"

Oh dear.....

I am also finding her drivel about ëating locally is the only way we will survive while eating SALMON! I'm sorry but where does one get Salmon ins Saudi?? LOL! Mmmmm dessert Salmon!

I am all for supporting local commerce but that does not mean I think imports are all bad for you! if this were the case we would not have half the fruits and veggies we do. Also, humans, as a species are nomadic always have been, that's how we got to all these places around the world..LOL! Only eating what is locally available is not going to work for the masses. (god help us in winter..LOL )

Sadly, I know people are going to qoute this BS as if it holds any vaildity. My husband was vegan for 6 months and decided he wasn't ready yet. He didn't then need to trash talk veganism in order to make that decision. He did what he needed to do for him at that point of time without telling people who were remaining vegan (mainly me..lol) that we are wrong.

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One of my friends who has been seriously considering going vegetarian just posted this on Facebook with this comment:

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This is one of the best things I've read in a long time. Veganism does not work for everyone, and NOBODY should have to sacrifice their own health (and lie about it) for an ideal that saves no more animals, and in fact does LESS to heal the earth than a carnivorous diet does.
I'm definitely re-thinking a lot of things ...after reading this.



And now it's looking like she's leaning towards not going vegetarian, largely because of this girls blog. Argh!

I linked her to that fantastic response Indian Summer posted and she said she liked it and was still thinking things over but it looks like some real damage has been done. It's so frustrating how quickly people latch onto things like this and use it as an excuse to not change their habits.

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Its kind of sad to see other blogs (just as ridiculous as this girl's) pop up in addition.

This one is crazy.

http://mstriz.net/2010/11/25/eat-som...-good-for-you/



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Its kind of sad to see other blogs (just as ridiculous as this girl's) pop up in addition.

This one is crazy.

http://mstriz.net/2010/11/25/eat-som...-good-for-you/



"Veganism requires the consumption of a variety of foods, some of them exotic and imported."

Yeah I know..those turnip greens I ate today are from a guy who lives three whole houses down the street.

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