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CoffeeAndCats 10-03-2010 01:46 PM

Having just recently "gone vegan", I find myself explaining all of my new personal rules to my friends, family, and coworkers. I was asked a question the other day that made me think, and I am interested in hearing the responses of others. The question was:

"If you were in the woods and saw an egg drop from a bird's nest, is it fair game to eat? Assuming of course, that you know for a fact that the mother will not/can not retrieve it and that it will surely perish it it were to hatch at all."

As a noob vegan, I would have to say that yes, this egg is fair game. However, I wouldn't eat it unless I was starving and couldn't find the tofu trees.

Envy 10-03-2010 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CoffeeAndCats View Post

However, I wouldn't eat it unless I was starving and couldn't find the tofu trees.

This.

Snowcone 10-03-2010 01:57 PM

I'd at least attempt to put it back in the nest myself, before writing off the egg.

Either way, people make up all kinds of outlandish hypotheticals to challenge veganism(my personal favorite is the starving on an island scenario). It doesn't really make sense to do so, since veganism is pretty much designed for living in a civilized society, where one doesn't need animal exploitation to survive. If you're lost, or otherwise forced to live in the wilderness or something, animal consumption would probably fall under the practicality clause.

Welcome to the forums, btw.

GTChick01 10-03-2010 02:11 PM

How is that a moral dilemma? Sounds more like a hypothetical situation to me. Unless you plan on getting lost and starving in a forest sometime soon.

But "if" that was to happen to me, I wouldn't eat it. Why would you? How would you cook it? How do you know you won't open it up and kill the baby that is growing inside? I'd just leave it be.

Poppy 10-03-2010 02:30 PM

Since vegans do their best not to consume any animal products, I would say that in this case, no it's not fair game, and leave it be. It might very well be eaten by another creature who needs the nourishment.

Pirate Ferret 10-03-2010 03:20 PM

I dont know many omnis who would eat a fertilised egg. it wouldnt be like an unfertilised chicken egg, there would be meat and bones inside it!

but yeah, i'd leave it for a wild animal. eating it wouldnt even cross my mind. where do people come up with these questions?

HNV 10-03-2010 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirate Ferret View Post

I dont know many omnis who would eat a fertilised egg. it wouldnt be like an unfertilised chicken egg, there would be meat and bones inside it!

but yeah, i'd leave it for a wild animal. eating it wouldnt even cross my mind. where do people come up with these questions?


Eww.. Wouldn't even have crossed my mind to eat an egg that fell from a tree. If I could, I would try and put it back. Otherwise it's "fair game" for the residents of the forest.

Almeria 10-03-2010 04:18 PM

If i was just out for a walk in the woods or day hiking then hell no, just leave it be and some animal will eat it. Just cause a human can't or won't use it does not mean it'll go to waste. Some wild animal will find it and eat it up. If I was lost in the woods and hadn't found enough food to sustain me in days I might do it, I don't know. I'd really truly have to be starving though. When I'm out for hikes I usually take several cliff bars, bananas, and oranges in my backpack though. So if I got lost I'd have food, even tho it wouldn't be much, for several days anyways. That's my response usually when I get these types of questions, because it's true, I always make sure to take food even if I only plan on being out there for 6hrs or something because you just never know. I also keep a lighter in my backpack and of course I take water and a few extra shirts for layering and a pair of tights. Yeah, I'm worrisome like that. Mainly cause I do have a habit of getting lost haha.

Teresa 10-03-2010 05:15 PM

I like your user name and profile picture.

This is just another case of some people trying to make vegans responsible for all ethical issues regarding animals. "what would you do about this?" "what's your opinion of that?" "what about bugs in catchup?" on and on. You don't have to explain yourself or your choices to anyone. I didn't go vegan to get into ethical debates with anyone. That was not my goal. If people keep bothering you you can explain simply you went vegan for "personal reasons" and leave it at that. Your family and close friends could be one thing but to get into this with every coworker and acquaintance is going to get old and wear on you.

Salad 10-03-2010 05:40 PM

There's no point in answering that question. It has no relevance to your life or the lives of the people around you. I'd tell them "if I ever end up in that situation, I'll decide then." You're vegan out of concern for the hens in battery cages. Try asking the questioner how they feel about the way the eggs they do eat are produced.

janiejones 10-03-2010 07:09 PM

Ergh. I hate when defensive omnis ask hypothetical questions. I would have replied with either, "Well, if a deer fell over dead from old age, I wouldn't eat it." Or, "If I was walking in the forest and my hiking companion had a heart attack & died, I wouldn't eat him/her."

So, also because its highly unlikely any of us will ever have to eat flesh due to a starvation situation, I'd definitely say no, not vegan.

mshuddles 10-03-2010 07:50 PM

I would have asked since when do chickens live in trees in the forest? Usually, I just tell people, if I lived in their hypothetical world things might be different (I hate the would you eat meat if stranded on a desert island), but for now I don't and these are my beliefs.

CoffeeAndCats 10-03-2010 08:49 PM

The more I think about, the more it all comes down to "hypothetical situations have no basis in real life".

Thanks for you thoughts!

Dave in MPLS 10-03-2010 09:45 PM

A variation on 'would you kill and eat a human if it was the only way to survive'? Maybe the question in the original post is best answered by posing that one ...


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