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#1 Old 07-13-2010, 03:52 PM
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I have a somewhat unusual problem(at least I hope it's not common). You see, I recently went vegan(less than a week ago), and with my odd housing situation(living with crazy assortment of extended family members), I have trouble keeping track of my kitchenware.



I use vegan soap to wash my cookware and dishes and stuff, but nobody else in the house does. Basically, if I leave my stuff in the kitchen, chances are that they will wash it, even when I tell them not to. I've of course also tried to wash my stuff immediately after using them, but but as luck would have it, I'll walk in the kitchen later to either find them draining, or sitting in the omni dish water(they'll use my stuff). I've tried keeping them in my room, but I just don't have much space. I'd freak out about it, but I don't think it would help, and I feel like I'm not in much of a position to complain.



So, it boils down to my question: It's still vegan if I were to wash my stuff with vegan soap AFTER they've tainted them, right? It makes me look like a crazy person, but it seems to be the only thing I can think of.



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#2 Old 07-13-2010, 04:04 PM
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I've got a practical philosophy. And I don't like to let labels define me. We should define the labels/actions that work for us, not the other way around. If it really bothers you, then re-wash the dishes. But don't let the label of vegan dictate a waste of soap to rewash them if it doesn't bother you. That's like two wrongs making a right. First the use of animal product, and then the waste and environmental impact of using cleaners twice.



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Originally Posted by Snowcone' date='13 July 2010 - 05:52 PM' timestamp='1279057959' post='2673255 View Post


. Basically, if I leave my stuff in the kitchen, chances are that they will wash it, even when I tell them not to.





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#4 Old 07-13-2010, 04:49 PM
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In my opinion, the dishes were never "tainted" in the first place. They were washed. I'm about 100% certain that going through our daily lives we all use items that have a similar degree of being "tainted" by non-vegan means. So should we all just turn in our Vegan identity cards and stop living? No. We do whatever we can possible to avoid using animal products. So if dishes get washed by someone else with a non-vegan soap it really shouldn't be a problem. Just use your vegan soap later on after you've used the dishes.



Freaking out about it is 100% the wrong thing to do. Why? Well, every veg*n is an ambassador for veg*nism. It's our duty to show omnis that veg*nism works and especially that we're not the freaks that many of them think we are. Freaking out about what soap was used does not send a positive message about veg*nism at all. It says that this lifestyle is insanely restrictive and in most peoples' eyes more than likely not worth even looking into no matter what the benefits may be. Which of course is not the message any of us should be giving out to people.

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Hmm...I suppose I am acting like a crazy person. Thanks for the advice, folks. I tend to get paranoid about screwing things up when I feel they're important. My hands were starting to dry out, anyways.

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Also try stocking up on vegan soap so when they run out of their soap they'll just use the vegan soap that's there.



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Also try stocking up on vegan soap so when they run out of their soap they'll just use the vegan soap that's there.



And I really love your avatar





They got a couple of those giant economy-sized detergent tubs the other day. That's a great idea though.



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Does everyone in the house buy thier own separate cleaning products and each only uses thier own when they clean stuff? How bout suggesting that to save money you all chip in and buy the cleaning products together and share them and you offer to be the one that goes and gets them from the store? If that is feasable. That way you would be at least somewhat in control of what cleaning products are used.



As for me, I also live in a house full of omnis, but since we all have allergies to certain ingredients often used in cleaning products we all buy the good stuff. So I only feel it's really necessary to keep my cutting board and non-stick skillet separate from the rest.
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I pretty much agree with most of the responses, but here is another thought: Why wash your dishes with soap at all? It's not like you have factory farmed chicken carcasses or eggs or pasteurized milk in them. Most of the time, I just rinse out my dishes with water or let the food residue sit in them and become part of the next meal. That's how people used to live before they started using foods that become dangerous to our health when left out. I can already sense the facepalm-like ideas most of the people reading this post are probably getting, and I should ask you not to sue me if you should get the runs, but it can't hurt to look at the situation from a different angle for a moment, can it?



No facepalm here, but I did find myself scowling while reading your post, then had to smile, with how you ended it!

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I have so much to learn. They still put that stuff in dish soap?



I'm pretty picky about the bar soap I use but I never even thought about dish soap. D'oh! I'm not a vegan, but I try to minimize household items that are tested on or made from animals.
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I pretty much agree with most of the responses, but here is another thought: Why wash your dishes with soap at all? It's not like you have factory farmed chicken carcasses or eggs or pasteurized milk in them. Most of the time, I just rinse out my dishes with water or let the food residue sit in them and become part of the next meal. That's how people used to live before they started using foods that become dangerous to our health when left out. I can already sense the facepalm-like ideas most of the people reading this post are probably getting, and I should ask you not to sue me if you should get the runs, but it can't hurt to look at the situation from a different angle for a moment, can it?







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@cienerose - They usually all chip in, but I was a vegetarian 'til last friday, and I didn't think much of them getting two huge tubs of non-vegan detergent a few days prior to my switch(it was sorta out of the blue, though I was planning to eventually go vegan anyways). It's a good plan though; I'll have to keep that in mind if I'm still living here when they run out again.



@coffee - Yup, they put cadavers in everything these days. I'm sure there are a variety of vegan dish washing soaps available, but I just took the easy route by getting a gallon jug of Dr. Bronner's.



@phi - I...don't think I'll be doing that, thanks.

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I pretty much agree with most of the responses, but here is another thought: Why wash your dishes with soap at all? It's not like you have factory farmed chicken carcasses or eggs or pasteurized milk in them. Most of the time, I just rinse out my dishes with water or let the food residue sit in them and become part of the next meal. That's how people used to live before they started using foods that become dangerous to our health when left out. I can already sense the facepalm-like ideas most of the people reading this post are probably getting, and I should ask you not to sue me if you should get the runs, but it can't hurt to look at the situation from a different angle for a moment, can it?



Word.... Some of my dishes I just rinse and put back. But, that's just me and my kitchen (oh and no one's died or gotten sick yet)
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@phi I concur
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