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#1 Old 01-15-2010, 04:28 PM
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I don't think I could act on this impulse, but since I've been vegan and ostracised from regular society I've felt more like eating meat (but still not milk or eggs which make me feel like vomiting at the thought of them). I'm pretty sure I'd be sick from eating meat too.



Part of this feeling I think is the release from having any responsibility of guilt attached to eating animals, which then clears the way philosophically to feel free to eat anything at all. (Especially in a survival context, to which this world often feels close.)



Anyone had this experience before?
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Part of this feeling I think is the release from having any responsibility of guilt attached to eating animals, which then clears the way philosophically to feel free to eat anything at all. (Especially in a survival context, to which this world often feels close.)



Anyone had this experience before?



You wouldn't have any guilt if you ate animals? I know I would.

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You wouldn't have any guilt if you ate animals? I know I would.



That's the thing, I feel purified from that idea. I feel more like anything is game. If I don't eat that cow (not that I want to) maybe she will eat me! This is just purely some kind of primal thing I think... guilt is too intellectual to be involved with this sensation.
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That's the thing, I feel purified from that idea. I feel more like anything is game. If I don't eat that cow (not that I want to) maybe she will eat me! This is just purely some kind of primal thing I think... guilt is too intellectual to be involved with this sensation.



sounds like someone needs some naked cow-wrestling!

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sounds like someone needs some naked cow-wrestling!



I guess you don't know what I'm talking about then.
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I guess you don't know what I'm talking about then.



Me either. You need to articulate what you mean in clearer terms if you're hoping for a response. Right now I can make no sense of your statements.
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You feel free to eat meat because you haven't been eating meat?
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That's the thing, I feel purified from that idea. I feel more like anything is game. If I don't eat that cow (not that I want to) maybe she will eat me! This is just purely some kind of primal thing I think... guilt is too intellectual to be involved with this sensation.



Wait, What?

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Wait, What?



What, what?
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What, what?



I could have swore you said you felt like a cow might try to hurt you

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I could have swore you said you felt like a cow might try to hurt you



Unlikely, they are "gentle creatures".
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I know there must be a point in there somewhere.........hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Unlikely, they are "gentle creatures".



So then just what the heck are you on about then? You're making no sense at all.
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I know there must be a point in there somewhere.........hmmmmmmmmmmmm



I'm beginning to doubt that.
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I'm beginning to doubt that.



How did you become or decided to become vegan?



I'll explain it in your terms...
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Unlikely, they are "gentle creatures".



Hence my bein' confused at what you were saying.

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Hence my bein' confused at what you were saying.



I was speaking of a metaphoric cow-human duel. I wasn't tying that specific thing into anything which would actually happen!



So anyway, I was talking about the removal of any kind of higher intellectual attachment to your dietary/life choices which then opens up the potential for anything to happen.



eg. If there were anarchy in the world, would the concept of theft still exist (where there were objects which you wanted that weren't necessarily attached to a person/group)?



How does that anarchy/freedom work in one's diet?
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Sorry



But, I was wondering why you would want to remove any intellectual attachment to anything? I still remember how much I LOVED beef jerky, it was my favorite food. The concept of theft works in an anarchist world because humans are moralistic animals, we think in terms of right and wrong. I would think it was wrong if you stole my macbook, and i would think it was wrong if cows were tortured to make my jerky. If i understood your question right, that is.

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I think we need Nagemurut to make sense of this thread, too bad he was banned.

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I think we need Nagemurut to make sense of this thread, too bad he was banned.



Trying to balance the obviously required element of humour/mockery of everything with anything that goes beyond complaining in any of these discussion is difficult if you aren't used to this whole internet thing.



What is it that you don't understand?
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What is it that you don't understand?

1) What a "metaphoric duel" is, and especially: what it has to do with the real world in which one's dietary/lifestyle choices occur.



2a) What "removal of any kind of higher intellectual attachment to your dietary/life choices" means.

b) Why you think (apparently) that "higher intellectual attachment" needs to have anything to do with morality.



3) How viewing something non-intellectually "opens up the potential for anything to happen".



4) What any of this has to do with anarchy/freedom, and whether you think anarchy/freedom is somehow non-intellectual.



5) What the question "How does that anarchy/freedom work in one's diet?" means.

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1) What a "metaphoric duel" is, and especially: what it has to do with the real world in which one's dietary/lifestyle choices occur.



Hmm, that was in response to someone else's post.



2a) What "removal of any kind of higher intellectual attachment to your dietary/life choices" means.



Would you eat the same way if all your intellectual capacities were removed, ie. you were a "vegetable".



b) Why you think (apparently) that "higher intellectual attachment" needs to have anything to do with morality.



Do you believe morality is innate?



3) How viewing something non-intellectually "opens up the potential for anything to happen".



Without a defined set of rules which have resulted from intellect, there are no rules.



4) What any of this has to do with anarchy/freedom, and whether you think anarchy/freedom is somehow non-intellectual.



The concepts of anarchy and freedom are clearly intellectual, so I guess you have to intellectually consider something in a non-intellectual manner... that's up to you to decide if that is possible.



5) What the question "How does that anarchy/freedom work in one's diet?" means.



I think this has already been explained. (Answering question 5. The whole quoting thing hasn't quite seemed to work...)
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This thread is doomed.
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Would you eat the same way if all your intellectual capacities were removed, ie. you were a "vegetable".

If I was a "vegetable", I don't think I'd be eating at all. . .



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I dunno. I do think it's not just a matter of concepts and beliefs, but also of feelings/experiences. I would agree though that if someone had no understanding of anything, they wouldn't have an understanding of moral norms either. What this has to do with you or anyone else eating meat, I don't know.

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Without a defined set of rules which have resulted from intellect, there are no rules.

Even a plant, which has no intellect, is constrained by many rules (or rather, natural laws).

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The concepts of anarchy and freedom are clearly intellectual, so I guess you have to intellectually consider something in a non-intellectual manner... that's up to you to decide if that is possible.

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This thread is doomed.



Clearly.
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This thread is doomed.



It's like watching the titanic sink while on the disney cruise boat some miles away.

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I was speaking of a metaphoric cow-human duel. I wasn't tying that specific thing into anything which would actually happen!



So anyway, I was talking about the removal of any kind of higher intellectual attachment to your dietary/life choices which then opens up the potential for anything to happen.



eg. If there were anarchy in the world, would the concept of theft still exist (where there were objects which you wanted that weren't necessarily attached to a person/group)?



How does that anarchy/freedom work in one's diet?



Taking a stab. . .



If there were anarchy in the world, theft would still exist. Anarchy does not preclude a person's sense of ownership, so if you took Lyric's MacBook, she would perceive it as theft even if we did not have a word for it. Lacking laws does not change the morality of an action, either. If murder were legal, many people would still be opposed to it because they find something inherently wrong with it.



I think I see what you are TRYING to say. If there were no moral ground to be vegetarian, why do it? If we were not concerned with the environment, or our health - if we had no greater reason to be vegetarian than simply to do it, we would not be vegetarian, I THINK is what you're trying to say? To that I say, we would not be human, and life is meaningless. It is my higher intellectual attachment - and the choices I make based on that, and what I value more, etc, - that makes me not only human, but exactly who I am as opposed to you or anyone else on these forums.



Being free to eat anything hardly seems worth that.
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I keep looking at this thread thinking "Not eating meat because it's not okay makes me feel like it's okay to eat meat" will eventually make sense.



I think that's one of the signs of insanity, innit?



Great.
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But, I was wondering why you would want to remove any intellectual attachment to anything? I still remember how much I LOVED beef jerky, it was my favorite food. The concept of theft works in an anarchist world because humans are moralistic animals, we think in terms of right and wrong. I would think it was wrong if you stole my macbook, and i would think it was wrong if cows were tortured to make my jerky. If i understood your question right, that is.





^^ What this person said. Best part of this thread... Awesome.



And Macbooks for the win (I've got a 13in Pro)!! (Sorry, not trying to start a Mac vs. PC war) ..



ANYWAY, are you trying to say that by eating meat you don't have to really think about your diet because eating meat is acceptable in society? So if you ate meat, you're "releasing" any connection to what you eat?



I'm not even sure if what I just said makes sense, but yea.
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^^ What this person said. Best part of this thread... Awesome.



And Macbooks for the win (I've got a 13in Pro)!! (Sorry, not trying to start a Mac vs. PC war) ..



ANYWAY, are you trying to say that by eating meat you don't have to really think about your diet because eating meat is acceptable in society? So if you ate meat, you're "releasing" any connection to what you eat?



I'm not even sure if what I just said makes sense, but yea.





I do too! Leopard OSX I got it on my birthday, right when the new ones came out.

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