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#1 Old 01-13-2008, 06:52 PM
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What's the difference between a strict vegetarian and a vegan? I've thinking about this forever and can't figure it out.
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#2 Old 01-13-2008, 06:58 PM
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Generally speaking, a strict vegetarian tends to be dietary only. He/she does not eat animal products but will wear or use them in other ways. A vegan is someone who does everything practical/feasible to cut animal products out of all aspects of their lives, not just food.
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^ What she said.

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#4 Old 01-14-2008, 04:22 AM
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oh wow, I didn't know that was the difference. I was reading a magazine and it said that strict-veg was what vegans were referred to years ago, I guess before the term 'vegan' became more popular.
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I think I'm a weird one then because I'm vegetarian, eat cheese and eggs, yet I only use products not tested on animals/with no animal ingredients and avoid leather.
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I think I'm a weird one then because I'm vegetarian, eat cheese and eggs, yet I only use products not tested on animals/with no animal ingredients and avoid leather.



Nah. That's not weird. I actually was non-vegetarian while still avoiding leather, wool, and other non-animal friendly products. The idea stems from wanting to reduce harm where you can. I've many times questioned what the healthiest diet is for me, but there's really no question whether or not I NEED leather shoes or shampoo thats been tested on animals. Therefore, I could never justify buying those to myself under normal circumstances.
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#7 Old 01-15-2008, 07:50 AM
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oh, I learnt something new here - like sleepydvr, I always thought "strict vegetarian" is another way to describe vegan..thanks Nickster for asking this valuable question and jinga for the clear explanation
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Thank you!
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I would tell people Im a "dietary vegan" rather than a "strict vegetarian", people seem to know what a vegan is around here
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#10 Old 01-19-2008, 03:31 AM
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I didn't understand the difference until I read the book "Being Vegan".
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#11 Old 01-19-2008, 03:48 AM
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I would tell people Im a "dietary vegan" rather than a "strict vegetarian", people seem to know what a vegan is around here



Ha-ha!

I'm a vegan that tells people I'm a "strict vegetarian" because the only people around me that actually know what a VEGAN is absolutely HATE vegans!!! Hate us hate us hate us...



Vegans are apparently crazy evil b*tches but I'm more tollerable if I don't use that label.

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Then I wonder what the most exact definition is for someone like me who is ovo-lacto and absolutely refuses to wear anything made of leather and wool (I do wear silk and wool, though, which for many vegans is a taboo as well).
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Then I wonder what the most exact definition is for someone like me who is ovo-lacto and absolutely refuses to wear anything made of leather and wool (I do wear silk and wool, though, which for many vegans is a taboo as well).



lacto-ovo vegetarian
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Ha-ha!

I'm a vegan that tells people I'm a "strict vegetarian" because the only people around me that actually know what a VEGAN is absolutely HATE vegans!!! Hate us hate us hate us...



Vegans are apparently crazy evil b*tches but I'm more tollerable if I don't use that label.



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i always used "strict vegetarian" to describe myself, b/c i didnt eat rennet-y cheese, so if i were in a restaurant, for example, i wouldnt eat the cheese b/c i didnt know where it came from... using that term made pple ask me more about it, adn i would explain that i still ate eggs and butter was ok...

but i avoid leather and animal tested products.



now, im minimally lo veg...i dont call myself vegan, b/c, well, i dont entirely cut out those little "hidden" ingredients outside my home... but what i usually say is "i eat vegan"

hopefully, i will make it to "dietary vegan"...being that i have wool and a pair of leather boots
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I'm a strict veg or a pure veg not a vegan. I eat like a vegan. However, I still use stuff with animal products in it or things that are tested on animals, however, I am slowly working them out of my life. I also own some leather stuff...no fur though, I hate fur.



So I don't think it fair to call myself a vegan, because vegans are really those who go all the way...I'm just not that good.
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Then I wonder what the most exact definition is for someone like me who is ovo-lacto and absolutely refuses to wear anything made of leather and wool (I do wear silk and wool, though, which for many vegans is a taboo as well).



You would get two labels. An ethical consumer, and a vegetarian.
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Actually I find that the label "Strict Vegetarian" is not very well defined, and that it is used and misused is many different ways. Perhaps the most correct definition would be the one proposed that a strict vegetarian is someone that eats a vegan or near vegan diet. These could be people who are "vegan for health" since there are no health implications for purchasing leather or animal-tested products. But in common day to day life I hear the term "strict vegetarian" being used to refer to any type of vegetarian who feels that they are strict about their vegetarianism. So an ovo-lacto vegetarian who refuses to eat fish or even chicken broth or natural flavoring from meat sources, may label themselves a strict vegetarian. So, I think that whenever you hear someone call themselves a "strict vegetarian" you should ask them to elaborate to avoid any confusion.
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I second what kpickell has said. I think that for a lot people, "strict" just implies no exceptions, attention to trace ingredients, and so on, rather than implying a vegan diet.



I think it's a very ambiguous phrase, and would not rely on it if I wanted to avoid eggs and dairy.
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Then I wonder what the most exact definition is for someone like me who is ovo-lacto and absolutely refuses to wear anything made of leather and wool (I do wear silk and wool, though, which for many vegans is a taboo as well).



bolding mine.



huh?
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That is why I prefer the term PURE vegetarian.
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#22 Old 01-24-2008, 11:18 AM
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A lot of people think a vegetarian is someone who doesn't eat red meat, but continues to eat chicken and/or seafood. I've heard of some of these people refer to a vegetarian as a 'strict vegetarian.' Before I went vegan, my mom used to tell people "Kelly's a really strict vegetarian. She doesn't eat red meat, chicken, or fish." Actually, now that I think about it, she STILL calls me a 'strict vegetarian!"



Something else that's been bugging me is the use of "strict vegan" or "hardcore vegan." I was watching a cooking segment on the Today show yesterday morning and the chef of the day was the owner of a vegan restuarant in Los Angeles. She was talking about (and making) a recipe that called for parmasean cheese. I was thinking "but I thought it was a VEGAN dish?!" She went on to say something like "the hardcore vegans can substitute soy cheese in place of parmasean." What? What other type of vegan is there? Are there vegans out there who eat parmasean cheese? If so, they need to stop calling themselves vegans!
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Strict vegetarian is quite an ambiguous term though I think I've heard my partner use that before. He is a vegetarian who eats vegan at home, lives an otherwise vegan lifestyle outside of diet and so on. Hopefully he might go vegan in the long run though
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A lot of people think a vegetarian is someone who doesn't eat red meat, but continues to eat chicken and/or seafood. I've heard of some of these people refer to a vegetarian as a 'strict vegetarian.' Before I went vegan, my mom used to tell people "Kelly's a really strict vegetarian. She doesn't eat red meat, chicken, or fish." Actually, now that I think about it, she STILL calls me a 'strict vegetarian!"



Something else that's been bugging me is the use of "strict vegan" or "hardcore vegan." I was watching a cooking segment on the Today show yesterday morning and the chef of the day was the owner of a vegan restuarant in Los Angeles. She was talking about (and making) a recipe that called for parmasean cheese. I was thinking "but I thought it was a VEGAN dish?!" She went on to say something like "the hardcore vegans can substitute soy cheese in place of parmasean." What? What other type of vegan is there? Are there vegans out there who eat parmasean cheese? If so, they need to stop calling themselves vegans!



how annoying!!

i wouldnt wantto eat at that restaurant, if she couldnt even tell that cheese isnt vegan!! i love that she perpetuates the ignorance.



if someone says they are vegetarian, and then they follow up w/ "but i eat fish" (or whatever)...i have no problem saying: then you're not vegetarian, fish is meat. i dont get into an arguement, i just state it.
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how annoying!!

i wouldnt wantto eat at that restaurant, if she couldnt even tell that cheese isnt vegan!! i love that she perpetuates the ignorance.



if someone says they are vegetarian, and then they follow up w/ "but i eat fish" (or whatever)...i have no problem saying: then you're not vegetarian, fish is meat. i dont get into an arguement, i just state it.



Recently tried clear up that misconception on another message board XD.



Other user;

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...A balanced diet, which vegetarians are not getting from just eating vegetables, salads, fish, etc.



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Vegetarians don't eat fish. Vegetarians that do, aren't. I'm sorry if that sounds judgmental, but if you don't draw the line somewhere, in 100 years you may have 'vegetarians' that eat all kinds of meat every day except Wednesday.

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Hah, I've been hearing the "I'm a vegetarian but eat fish" from people a lot lately (more than usual frequency!). I heard some call it a "lacto-ovo-pesci vegetarian." Maybe next will be a "lacto-ovo-pesci-bovine vegetarian."
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No no it's lacto-ovo-pesca-pollo-tarian... and I met one last week. Seriously
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No no it's lacto-ovo-pesca-pollo-tarian... and I met one last week. Seriously

Typically that's just a pollotarian. It's pretty rare for a pollotarian to refer to themselves with the lacto/ovo/pesco labels to as those are all generally part of a pollotarian diet in the first place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollotarianism
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#30 Old 02-01-2008, 07:51 AM
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Typically that's just a pollotarian. It's pretty rare for a pollotarian to refer to themselves with the lacto/ovo/pesco labels to as those are all generally part of a pollotarian diet in the first place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollotarianism



She didn't actually call herself a pesce-pollo-tarian or anything but wanted to know what she was since she only ate chicken and fish. It was cute and someone here suggest she was a "meat-reducer". It all makes my head splodey. I told her, sweetly, she was a meat-eater.



And just to clear up the fact that she wouldn't just be a pollo-tarian: (from the wiki)



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but pescetarianism and pollotarianism are separate entities



Pollotarians don't eat fish. Pescetarians don't eat chicken. Nethier, of course, are vegetarians at all.



AHIMSA- yes... that's exactly how I feel too!
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