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#1 Old 08-05-2010, 06:20 PM
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I had a question. I know a list of hidden animal stuff in foods and all that. But products we use have stuff like hidden animal stuff in it too. I was wondering, is this just as bad? I'm really not too happy about using these products but hidden ingredients just makes the situation difficult.

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#2 Old 08-05-2010, 10:00 PM
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Yes. It's supporting the suffering and killing of animals all the same. It's tough in the beginning to try to catch all those hidden ingredients. But we just have to do our best. Over time you learn the products and brands to stay away from and it just naturally gets easier. In the beginning try to catch what you can, but if something sneaks by because manufacturers are very, very sneaky sometimes, don't beat yourself up about it. Just don't buy that product in the future.

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I do my best to not use anything with slaughter by-products in it. You need to differentiate between 'animal products' and 'slaughter by-products'. 'Animal products' refers to anything that comes from an animal, whether the animal has been killed or not. Dairy, honey, lanolin and wool are animal products but vegetarians will use them because no animal has to die to produce them. 'Slaughter by-products' is the category of animal products that comes from the slaughter of animals. Examples are gelatine, animal fat (often concealed behind E numbers), rennet, isinglass (produced from fish bladders and used to fine beer and wine), leather, fur, rawhide and pigskin.

Those that are vegetarians for health reasons may not have any problems using slaughter by-products or consuming them. If a person doesn't eat meat because they consider a vegetarian diet to be healthier, they may have no problem with using a leather handbag. So it comes down to why you're vegetarian.

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#4 Old 08-06-2010, 02:34 AM
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Dairy, honey, lanolin and wool are animal products but vegetarians will use them because no animal has to die to produce them.

That is not nessissarily true, because, depending on the source, many times those animals die during the process or directly because of the product that humans get from them. Or some of their offspring are killed in order to keep costs low (for example dairy providers and chickens). But I do know what you mean, that in order to get the product, you don't have to kill the animal. (Apart from silkworms, bees [queens are usually killed every so often, and some bee keepers kill their bees each winter], mollusks, and others that are killed for the product.)


As for the question, I guess that depends on what you believe is acceptable or not. I agree that it gets easier over time. I think it's much more difficult finding hidden ingredients in food stuffs, as opposed to household products like bathing, cleaning, and other things. That's probably because companies don't want to release their recipe, which is understandable, but makes it difficult for those of us who want to refrain from certain ingredients.

What kind of products are you referring to?
If you're talking about things like carmine, lanolin, rennet, L-cysteine, and gelatin, I personally feel it's just as bad as a hunk of flesh. Some vegetarians (normally ones in it for health, environmental, or religious reasons don't avoid consuming them) don't bat an eye at it. As for vegans, all the ones I've ever met were vegan for animal rights reasons, so they do avoid products with those ingredients the best they can. But there are some vegans that don't avoid them. (There are debates on whether they are vegan, but that's it's own thread.)

It's not about perfection (perfection doesn't exist!), but progress. If you need something (like medication) and their are no veg-friendly options, don't let it get to you. We live on a world that is not veg-friendly, so it is unavoidable at times. If you are using something that has hidden ingredients, it really bugs you, and there are other options, then you could try to see if those other options are available to you. Veg*ns live all over the place, and there are places that are bursting with veg*n things, the there are places that the only veg*n thing you could find is the grass on the ground. So working with what is available to you is key to being a happy, healthy veg*n.

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#5 Old 08-06-2010, 05:02 AM
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Tyyy.

8/3/2010 is the last time I consumed meat.
8/4/2010 is when I became a full blown Vegetarian and I couldn't be more proud.
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