Originally Posted by MikeI
Dairy, honey, lanolin and wool are animal products but vegetarians will use them because no animal has to die to produce them.
That is not nessissarily true, because, depending on the source, many times those animals die during the process or directly because of the product that humans get from them. Or some of their offspring are killed in order to keep costs low (for example dairy providers and chickens). But I do know what you mean, that in order to get the product, you don't have to kill the animal. (Apart from silkworms, bees [queens are usually killed every so often, and some bee keepers kill their bees each winter], mollusks, and others that are killed for the product.)
As for the question, I guess that depends on what you believe is acceptable or not. I agree that it gets easier over time. I think it's much more difficult finding hidden ingredients in food stuffs, as opposed to household products like bathing, cleaning, and other things. That's probably because companies don't want to release their recipe, which is understandable, but makes it difficult for those of us who want to refrain from certain ingredients.
What kind of products are you referring to?
If you're talking about things like carmine, lanolin, rennet, L-cysteine, and gelatin, I personally feel it's just as bad as a hunk of flesh. Some vegetarians (normally ones in it for health, environmental, or religious reasons don't avoid consuming them) don't bat an eye at it. As for vegans, all the ones I've ever met were vegan for animal rights reasons, so they do avoid products with those ingredients the best they can. But there are some vegans that don't avoid them. (There are debates on whether they are vegan, but that's it's own thread.)
It's not about perfection (perfection doesn't exist!), but progress. If you need
something (like medication) and their are no veg-friendly options, don't let it get to you. We live on a world that is not veg-friendly, so it is unavoidable at times. If you are using something that has hidden ingredients, it really bugs you, and there are other options, then you could try to see if those other options are available to you. Veg*ns live all over the place, and there are places that are bursting with veg*n things, the there are places that the only veg*n thing you could find is the grass on the ground. So working with what is available to you is key to being a happy, healthy veg*n.