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#1 Old 02-08-2010, 11:42 PM
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Hi Everyone,



I'm new here and man... I have A LOT of things I want to know and god knows where to start!! lol.



Long story short:

My husband and I - and our two young children (I'm pregnant with Number 3) - have always been meat eaters, drank milk, had eggs and yoghurt and so on. Just recently we were listening to an Anthony Robbins tape that spoke about the bodies PH Levels and how acidic meat and animal made products are.... from there we have been eating more fruit and veg, but still some fish. I am not saying we're Vegan, but it feels like we're almost there! his has been a very fast transition for me - us - and it's kinda freaking me out. I don't even know half of the substitutes to give my kids!!!!

What is calcium rich and good for my babies bones?

Where can I find interesting Veggie Meals?



This is mainly my husbands idea and as awkward as I feel about this big change, I believe it is a better one. Our children have always eaten a good veggie diet and there are no complaints at dinner time, but I need to understand more in order for them to be well balanced.



So, the reason I came here, Is I fiure you guys would know more about this than me... and Hopefully there are some parents out there with advice too... esp since I'l be raising a new born soon and now have no idea what to feed "it"! lol! HelP!!



Thanks for reading and for any advice!



xx J
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First, some basics... Vegetarian/vegan diets can be a lot healthier if you eat healthy food. A lot of us here eat too much vegan junk food. General rule of thumb is if it comes from an animal, it is not good for you. Cholesterol only comes from animal products/byproducts. If you eliminated all animal products from your diet, you immediately will intake zero cholesterol, which is a really good thing (don't worry, people are animals, too so you will produce your own cholesterol).



You should get omega 3 fatty acid in your diet. This can be obtained from good quality olive oil (raw pressed is the the best), chia seeds, flax seed (and flax seed oil) and vegan margarine (Earth Balance or Smart Balance are popular ones). You should buy some B12 fortified nutritional yeast or a decent multivitamin that contains B12. B12 is the only thing that is not found in great quantities with just vegan foods alone. It is also easy to find it in cereals and energy drinks.



Dark leafy green vegetables (kale, spinach, collards) are the most nutritionally dense veggies. Dark greens are also good sources of calcium along with soy milk, blackstrap molasses, sesame seeds (and tahini which is a paste made from sesame seeds) and spices can be high in calcium. http://www.soystache.com/sources_of_calcium.htm for more info.



Fake meats are usually very high in protein. There's a new one that came out last year by a company named Gardien that is wonderful. It tastes very much like meat, is very low in fat and packed full of protein. Other tried and true fake meats are veggie burgers, seitan, chicken patties, riblets, hot dogs, etc...



The main thing you want to do is cook a large variety of foods. If your plate is colorful, it's probably well balanced. Here's a site that I love because it gives you detailed information on the nutritional value of foods: http://www.nutritiondata.com/ . It also has protein and amino acid balance and quality scores.



Well, that's the crash course. If you have any questions, just ask!
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Hi 3Beans,



I'm in a similar situation - we've been big meat eaters forever and I switched us all to vegan overnight almost a month ago. We did have one or two meat free days a week though, but still that involved dairy. The kids think it's great, although my son eats meat when he goes to his father's house alternate weekends. I'm not forcing them, just leading by example.



With regard to the newborn, if you are obtaining all the right nutrition your breast milk will be ample, as I'm sure you know. Omega 3 and B12 are vital to that though. As for weaning, I didn't give it much thought until the other day but my kids were all vegan weaned anyway! I dd the usual steamed carrot, apple, fruit purees, veg purees, then went into rice an veg etc. I'm sure someone will be along soon to tell you more about baby and toddler vegan issues, but I'm just saying it's possible, don't worry.



We only discovered Flax/Linseed this week. I opened the packet to put some on my porridge this morning and dropped it - all in my two year old granndaughters bowl, my son's and mine. I scraped off what could be rescued and stirred the rest in. Kids didn't even notice!



I take a supplement for vegans - although I don't think it's really that necessary at the moment. I'm sure my B12 stores are sufficient as I'm newly vegan, as opposed to longer standing vegans, but it eases my mind somewhat. And it doesn't hurt to take it.



Mostly I have had so much fun cooking! I've not made one disaster yet and we've been eating some great foods. Quinoa was a revelation to us, is a superfood and very versatile. Although we ate fresh food before, I did buy white rice and white bread for the kids - now they are on brown rice and wholemeal only. If you need meal ideas, VEGWEB is a great site.



I add fruit to the cereals in the morning, my son has gone from taking ham sandwiches to school with crisps, chocolate cake, fruit shoot drink and cheese strings to today's effort, which was a wholemeal sandwich with mushroom paté, banana, apple, and a tub of cashews, wasabi peas and chilli rice crackers and a bottle of water. Incidentally, he is calmer and has far more concentration than before! and he prefers Agave nectar to honey any day.



Good luck with it, if you want to ask any more questions please do! xxx



editted to add: I forgot to say, a wise person on these boards told me somewhere not to think of vegan substitutes, but vegan alternatives. It helps you to not expect everything to taste like meat, and I haven't missed meat at all since being vegan.
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Congrats! It gets easier with time, listen to what Millie said, as she is newly Vegan too. Just foun some great alternatives and you won't miss any meat, I promise you that!
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As far as nutrients in foods, I like this site:

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It gives a good breakdown of the nutritional benefits of foods and the amount of nutrients in each serving. For instance, here is the summary of spinach:

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Congratulations and Best of luck! Becoming Vegan has loads of information about being pregnant (congrats) as a vegan, raising children, what veggies provide what, etc. Also, The Vegan Sourcebook and The Vegan Cook's Bible offer various information about everything you need to know, too. If you look on http://www.thekindlife.com on the home page, go to the older posts (from the home page, not the "forum") there is a pregancy blog mentioned. In the later comments, I provided a link (I'm either Luce or lucidaisy on there, w/ a bunny avatar) to a Vegan Pregnancy Blog- that is excellent- I am just not remembering the name at the moment- my apologies for running you around looking. I believe http://www.veganporn.com might also have the link provided on their home page under links (it is not porn, it's vegan info. site- activism). Best to you and your family! Let us know if you have any further questions. Cheers





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Hi Everyone,



I'm new here and man... I have A LOT of things I want to know and god knows where to start!! lol.



Long story short:

My husband and I - and our two young children (I'm pregnant with Number 3) - have always been meat eaters, drank milk, had eggs and yoghurt and so on. Just recently we were listening to an Anthony Robbins tape that spoke about the bodies PH Levels and how acidic meat and animal made products are.... from there we have been eating more fruit and veg, but still some fish. I am not saying we're Vegan, but it feels like we're almost there! his has been a very fast transition for me - us - and it's kinda freaking me out. I don't even know half of the substitutes to give my kids!!!!

What is calcium rich and good for my babies bones?

Where can I find interesting Veggie Meals?



This is mainly my husbands idea and as awkward as I feel about this big change, I believe it is a better one. Our children have always eaten a good veggie diet and there are no complaints at dinner time, but I need to understand more in order for them to be well balanced.



So, the reason I came here, Is I fiure you guys would know more about this than me... and Hopefully there are some parents out there with advice too... esp since I'l be raising a new born soon and now have no idea what to feed "it"! lol! HelP!!



Thanks for reading and for any advice!



xx J

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Here is a link to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine [PCRM] website and their take on vegetarian/vegan diets for children. Link.

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Thank You so much everyone! These posts have been so supportive and Informative... I'll have to spend the day going through them and visiting the sites to see what they recommend.



Last night for dinner we had Roasted Vegies and Fried rice (No egg) and it was so tasty and like sleepydvdr stated, it was very colourful!

.... I have to admit something though, my mother in law cooked a bit of pasta with meat sauce and I tried some.... after a week of eating no meat, my intestines were all blocked within half an hour of eating that pasta and it was very painful, I also didn't enjoy the after taste like I remembered.



I could go on forever, but wont. Thank you all again!



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Lucidaisy!!!!!!!! The Kind Life site is great and I FINALLY found your comments and the link to Spawn Better. Thanks so much for those.

The more I read about eating animals and animal products freaks me out. I'm still starting and have my 2 year old son on 175ml of cows milk a day, but that's from not knowing what to do yet. He used to have three bottles of 200ml everyday, but since this all happening he drinks more water during the day and is happy to eat his nannies (banana's), grapes, apples and so on. lol

By the way, my family has a history of mental and nerve illness and have all been big meat eaters. I suffered periods of OCD and without realising this until now, I stopped eating so much meat when I moved out of home and my OCD deminished to the point that I don't get it anymore. My husband would still eat meat everyday but I would only have it about once a week. I never thought that meat could be a contributing factor to sickness, but am learning of the high acidity levels it produces in your body and now i think I know where all my joint pains were coming from even though i was a milk drinker and thought that was good for my bones!

My whole world is rocked! lol!

Anyway, just a thank you to you for your input!

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Thank you- I'm so glad that's helping and you found your way to that comment-lol- talk about sending you around your elbow to get to your boody. I hope your journey continues to be such a positive one! Also, a lot of my symptoms of things from learning disabilities, to hypothyroidism have disappeared after becoming Vegan. It didn't do that when I was a Vegetarian- that goes to show what dairy can do to you and what the lack of it can do for you. The same thing with your joints and joint pain. The great thing is, your kids should be less prone to inherit- show signs of those things and stay healthier, too, which is incredible. Thanks again- keep us updated!









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Lucidaisy!!!!!!!! The Kind Life site is great and I FINALLY found your comments and the link to Spawn Better. Thanks so much for those.

The more I read about eating animals and animal products freaks me out. I'm still starting and have my 2 year old son on 175ml of cows milk a day, but that's from not knowing what to do yet. He used to have three bottles of 200ml everyday, but since this all happening he drinks more water during the day and is happy to eat his nannies (banana's), grapes, apples and so on. lol

By the way, my family has a history of mental and nerve illness and have all been big meat eaters. I suffered periods of OCD and without realising this until now, I stopped eating so much meat when I moved out of home and my OCD deminished to the point that I don't get it anymore. My husband would still eat meat everyday but I would only have it about once a week. I never thought that meat could be a contributing factor to sickness, but am learning of the high acidity levels it produces in your body and now i think I know where all my joint pains were coming from even though i was a milk drinker and thought that was good for my bones!

My whole world is rocked! lol!

Anyway, just a thank you to you for your input!

xx Jenni

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from there we have been eating more fruit and veg, but still some fish. I am not saying we're Vegan, but it feels like we're almost there!



Are you still eating fish?? These are animals, too, and I for one really don't appreciate the suggestion that you're anywhere close to vegan if you're eating an animal! Much less vegetarian. I do wish you luck if you're really trying to become an ethical eater (although you only seem to be talking about health benefits, which is certainly not the point of veganism, and probably means you aren't avoiding animals in products), but it's insulting to go to the VEGAN discussion forum if you're still struggling to quit eating animals. At best you should be posting in "New to vegetarianism."



Please respect the point of each subforum... this one isn't for what you're talking about.
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Waikikamukau- Although I'm not arguing or disrespecting your opinion, it seems like she needed/needs help and support and that is what she was asking and why she was here. I believe she is respecting our forum and it doesn't hurt to ask us questions while she's making the transition.
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Oh wow, I was told that since being pregnant i have a HypErthyroid! and HypOthyroid runs in the family! If this helps me... I'm going after my brother! lol!



Thanks again Luce!

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Sorry to hear that J! Sometimes that can come during pregnancy and leave, hopefully it will for you, too! The switch to Vegan can help sometimes, with that if it's diet related. It will definitely help with the symptoms. Best to you
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it seems like she needed/needs help and support... I believe she is respecting our forum and it doesn't hurt to ask us questions



I disagree. She isn't respecting this particular vegan subforum at all, talking about how she eats fish still. This subforum is clearly for vegans, and right now she is blatently an omnivore. At best, as I said, the appropriate forum would be "New to Vegetarianism". That's where you get help with making the change, not here. You don't come here and talk about eating fish and "meat sauce", and then claim you're almost vegan! I really have a problem with that.
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I disagree. She isn't respecting this particular vegan subforum at all, talking about how she eats fish still. This subforum is clearly for vegans, and right now she is blatently an omnivore. At best, as I said, the appropriate forum would be "New to Vegetarianism". That's where you get help with making the change, not here. You don't come here and talk about eating fish and "meat sauce", and then claim you're almost vegan! I really have a problem with that.



You're tone is snough to scare her off! Here is a woman who wants to turn her family, that's herself, hubby and kids, vegan. We should be encouraging her and not being harsh like your previous post and this one. Or you could have used the private messaging service to politely explain. I was almost put off on my first day by comments like yours... I didn't come back to the board for a few days, and some people wouldn't come back at all. I,like many others, didn't understand what veganism was, and having met many people through my life who were veg*n and still ate fish, I also did the same as 3Beans. Within days of utilising these boards and others I was fully vegan.



I honestly don't understand people who can't be helpful and polite when replying to a post. 3Beans was mistaken in thinking she'd made a transition, but believe me she is a lot better informed now.



And the title of this forum is VEGAN DISCUSSION. Is there a better place to discuss veganism? I hope you're not suggesting we don't allow the dairy eaters in here to ask questions!
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Here is a woman who wants to turn her family, that's herself, hubby and kids, vegan.



Is she really trying to become vegan, though? The only reasons she has mentioned are health related, with fear of thrown off PH levels and acids. That hardly suggests a shift to a vegan lifestyle. Is anyone here going to claim that veganism is just a diet? Even if she becomes "dietary vegan" she's really a vegetarian...



I'm not being harsh, I'm being realistic.
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I couldn't agree more. I stayed away from many boards and it swayed my opinions about Vegans until I met the more open sided ones. Attitude makes a huge difference, atleast to me, and it took me a long time to want to transition because of the negativity, until I didn't care anymore and did it on my own anyway. However, that's the way I am, I completely understand people needing other's advice, support and more positive energy. Plus she received a lot of support on here all ready, so it seems like more people are willing to help and want to. I think we're going to have to feel differently about this than objectioners and agree to disagree.





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You're tone is snough to scare her off! Here is a woman who wants to turn her family, that's herself, hubby and kids, vegan. We should be encouraging her and not being harsh like your previous post and this one. Or you could have used the private messaging service to politely explain. I was almost put off on my first day by comments like yours... I didn't come back to the board for a few days, and some people wouldn't come back at all. I,like many others, didn't understand what veganism was, and having met many people through my life who were veg*n and still ate fish, I also did the same as 3Beans. Within days of utilising these boards and others I was fully vegan.



I honestly don't understand people who can't be helpful and polite when replying to a post. 3Beans was mistaken in thinking she'd made a transition, but believe me she is a lot better informed now.



And the title of this forum is VEGAN DISCUSSION. Is there a better place to discuss veganism? I hope you're not suggesting we don't allow the dairy eaters in here to ask questions!

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I disagree. She isn't respecting this particular vegan subforum at all, talking about how she eats fish still. This subforum is clearly for vegans, and right now she is blatently an omnivore. At best, as I said, the appropriate forum would be "New to Vegetarianism". That's where you get help with making the change, not here. You don't come here and talk about eating fish and "meat sauce", and then claim you're almost vegan! I really have a problem with that.



It sure would have been nice to have had this referred to the mods so that we could have moved it before the rant on the newbie took place. As it probably is more appropriate in "new to vegetarianism", I'm going to move it now.

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3beans....welcome aboard and I love your enthusiasm! Keep it up. It's amazing to hear how health issues either clear up or subside when a veg diet is undertaken. I can't give you any real info on raising vegan toddlers, as I don't have any anymore, but there are lots of people on here with kids. Be sure to check out the other forums on this site.



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whoa, I was away for a day and it all broke loose.



I'd really like to appologise for putting my thread in the "wrong" forum, but I felt it the right place to ask because we are trying to cut out as much animal and animal products from our diet/life as possible... and yes, I do read the labels now to see if it has dairy in it, which is tricky because I'm so new to this.



The more I have been on here the more I have been made aware of the atrocities to cow's, sheep, chicken and yes fish and all other animals of the world that people eat. It saddens me and pushes me to question what we are doing and how I can make a difference. I am pregnant at the moment and have to small children, I have to be careful of what things we need in our diets, so fish hasn't been put off the list because I'm still looking for answers!

I didn't come here to fight or pretend I'm something that I'm not, Which I think, I did represent myself honestly from the begining, I came for advice and help and was lucky enough to be enlightened by some truely patient and wonderful people and their patience has spurred me onto bigger things... to be honest, Waikikamukau your approach is awful and made me contemplate never coming back, I can see now why my outside family members think Veganism is crazy, they've probably been approached by people like yourself that have scared them away and haven't bothered to give them examples of a better way.

It's true I came here because our first goal was a PH Balanced diet, but it is here that I have learnt everyday and had my conscience truely tested. And what's wrong with starting with one thought and have it develop into another?

As one poster suggested, you could have said this to me privately... but since it's a forum, you can say what you like in the open and why should you hide! A little confrontation never hurt anyone



Anyway, I am now in the Vegie section and can't wait to see what others have to say on these issues and how their lives are going! Also, Thank you Photojess for the welcome! <3



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Glad to see you here and I'm really happy that you've been giving some of the issues more thought. Long may it continue, and we're always around when you need to ask a question. Good luck xxx
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I basically did the same thing last yr when I came here.....I presented my self as a "flexitarian" and wanted a change for health reasons, and within two days of reading peoples posts of why I should consider stopping eating meat, I did. Even if you just went vegetarian for now, and included eggs and milk until you have feeding the kiddos down with a vegan diet, that would still be better. It really comes down to eating a wide variety of whole foods, cooking foods yourself if you can, by eliminating the processed foods. Make sure you have lots of color in your diet, with whole grains- rices, bulger, quinoa (REALLY good for you), whole wheat breads, etc.

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***Ginormous Hugs to you J **** Best wishes to you on your journey. I am sorry you were affronted on here, especially when you were being honest about yourself and looking for the support you deserved. You have spoken beautifully and I hope you will not be deterred from more bitter responses. I probably mentioned this but please get Becoming Vegan- it has all stages of life covered fully and what to do to veganize your and your family's lives. There are others, so shoot me a message if you're looking for more suggestions. Take care- you can do it!
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Warmest welcomes, 3beans. I'm sorry that some of our members get a little over-zealous sometimes!



I don't know much about this pH thing you're talking about, but obviously a diet with lots of plants is healthy. We should all eat more fruits and veggies!
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Thanks so much everyone!



I watched "Meet your Meat" yesterday, suggested by Milliebert - and I find it hard to express how I feel about what goes on there

My husband can't believe that he started this whole change and now I'm becoming more involved than he expected. I know for a fact that I will NEVER eat those animals again and fish is next on my list. The desire has completely left me and it surprises methat it could be this quickly!!! I've always loved animals and felt quilty for having them a part of our diet, because I couldn't justify to myself why it was correct... and I now I can be honest with myself and others why I will no longer support such a terrible act against another living creature.



I have had so much fun cooking up vegie meals! I have alway been the food preparer in our family, so making food from home daily has always been the way here, but now it's so colourful and tasty

I'm definitley still on the search for Linseed (Flaxseed) and Quinoa - both mentioned from Milliebert above and I have been reffered to a great forum that has a lot of info from Lucidaisy!



Photojess, Thanks for some of the foods you have listed above, everything helps... and I've actually been copying parts from each post and saving that info, ie: foods, books, sites ... and so on.

So everything helps! And I love seeing what other people use, it gets me all excited about dinner time, lol.



Hi dormouse! Ph Balance is the balance gong on in your body between Acidic and Alkaline... acidic siet leads to being over or obese and an array of sicknesses and diseases such as heart problems, diabetes, cancers etc...

People by nature should be more alkaline and that's what vegetables and fruits are great for! There are lists of which Vegies and Fruits and nust are more alkaline than others, but if it's a plant based food... then you're more than likely alright! That's "scientific" proof enough to me that being a Vegitarian or Vegan is the way people ought to be!



Thanks again everyone

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Brocolli, collards, kale, brocolli rabe, turnip greens. Raw or cooked. You can put them in a blender or food processor. Don't blend to total mush, just down to still-visible particle size. You won't need to add water. You could add some collard leaf juice tho. Not too much. This stuff is gassy. Also good is sesame seeds, in the form of sesame tahini (same thing as sesame butter). Whole unhulled sesame seeds have about 4 times as much calcium as hulled seeds, but hulled seeds still have a goodly amount. Almond, almond milk, almond butter - blanched almonds only. The skins have too much tannic acid for a baby. And not too much as almonds are mildly toxic.
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If it's while pregnant- yes to what soil man said. However, babies, toddlers, etc. are supposed to stay away from consuming nuts as it's the number one way to develop severe nut allergies. Also, they cannot digest them properly until they are children+.

J- sounds like you and your family are making great leaps! Hurray!



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"What is calcium rich and good for my babies bones?"



Brocolli, collards, kale, brocolli rabe, turnip greens. Raw or cooked. You can put them in a blender or food processor. Don't blend to total mush, just down to still-visible particle size. You won't need to add water. You could add some collard leaf juice tho. Not too much. This stuff is gassy. Also good is sesame seeds, in the form of sesame tahini (same thing as sesame butter). Whole unhulled sesame seeds have about 4 times as much calcium as hulled seeds, but hulled seeds still have a goodly amount. Almond, almond milk, almond butter - blanched almonds only. The skins have too much tannic acid for a baby. And not too much as almonds are mildly toxic.

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