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#1 Old 03-05-2017, 02:34 AM
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Veganism and silk

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Due to my background in fashion and textiles I am very interested in your opinion regarding veganism and silk. Since it is an animal product, most of you would probably agree that veganism should also exclude the use of silk - after all the silk worms are getting boiled alive within their cocoons in order to get an undamaged filament for conventional silk production. But what about wild silk or peace silk/Ahimsa silk, where the silk worm gets to leave the cocoon (either naturally or by cutting the cocoon open) before it is being used for silk production? Would this be an "acceptable" vegan option since the silk worms can emerge unharmed?

I know that everyone should decide for themselves whether they find this acceptable or not, but nevertheless I'd be very interested to hear your opinions!

Thanks and have a nice Sunday

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Somethings are indirect causes of harm, or promote the thinking that promotes greed
I remember years ago there were stories of collecting the poop of civet cats, native to Indonesia, that made an expensive coffee. The native people would be paid to collect the feces containing coffee berries right from the forest, no harm to the civets, or the environment. Seeing this profit, people have trapped and caged the civets so they can be fed the coffee berries without people needing to do anything but clean the cage and get money

Shearing sheep does nothing by itself to harm animals. We all know how that turned out

Collecting eggs does no harm.....,

You can skin an animal that has dies a natural death and make leather....

There is no need at all, NONE, for using silk for fashion. While it's possible to collect it in the way you describe all that does is promote the desirability of silk, which promotes the easier, more affordable, methods.

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You may consider this innocent act of collecting seashells-
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...em-marine-life

and this-

Peace Silk

There is also a type of silk called Ahimsa Silk or Peace silk. No stifling is performed so all the moths are allowed to emerge from their cocoons and breed. This type of silk is often seen as a more ethical solution. However, the dilemma here is the question of what happens to the adult moths, who are only allowed a brief period to mate. Then, after mating, the female moths are put into trays to lay eggs and the males are used again and again to mate. They are kept in a refrigerator in a semi-frozen state. Eventually, after their virility diminishes, they are thrown away to die a slow death. The females are crushed and put under a microscope to make sure they are not diseased. If they are found to be diseased, all their eggs will be destroyed.

taken from http://www.abc-oriental-rug.com/silk-production.html

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Hi,

Due to my background in fashion and textiles I am very interested in your opinion regarding veganism and silk. Since it is an animal product, most of you would probably agree that veganism should also exclude the use of silk - after all the silk worms are getting boiled alive within their cocoons in order to get an undamaged filament for conventional silk production. But what about wild silk or peace silk/Ahimsa silk, where the silk worm gets to leave the cocoon (either naturally or by cutting the cocoon open) before it is being used for silk production? Would this be an "acceptable" vegan option since the silk worms can emerge unharmed?

I know that everyone should decide for themselves whether they find this acceptable or not, but nevertheless I'd be very interested to hear your opinions!

Thanks and have a nice Sunday

Nadja

Moth silk fibers are made from protein. Interestingly, vegan silk-like textiles are also being made from isolated soy protein. The fabric is called "soy silk". Here is an in-depth look: http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/viewco...79&context=rtd

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Thanks so much for your replies so far, some really interesting thoughts and opinions on the topic!

I will also travel to India for a few weeks to get some more insights into peace silk production, including what happens to the silk moths and worms (apparently they are also sold on for food in some cases) - I guess it's hard to generalise since every production place is different, but hopefully I will be able to get some more information on the topic in general. Thanks a lot for your help so far!


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Moth silk fibers are made from protein. Interestingly, vegan silk-like textiles are also being made from isolated soy protein. The fabric is called "soy silk".

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Thanks so much for the link, that's exactly what I am also going to look into as part of my project, along with "banana silk" made from the stem of the banana plant. Both very exciting options for substituting silk I think!
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Hi there! As I make my own clothing, I too was very interested in this topic when first transitioning to a vegan lifestyle. What I've found is that there are TONS of lovely natural fibers that you can use to replace silk. Fabrics made from rayon, bamboo, and tencel all have a wonderful drape and handfeel, are soft to wear and are also durable and washable - bonus!!

I have heard lots of intriguing research being done on silk made from discarded corn husks, and banana plants, as mentioned above. There is also experimentation being done to make a type of leather from pineapples, I believe. I have also heard of soy silk, but have not actually seen any of these fabrics made available to the public, at least where I am, so please do share if you find any resources! ^_^
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I don't advise clicking on Jennie17's link. Posts are repetitive and suspect. I have reported this person to the moderators.

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I don't advise clicking on Jennie17's link. Posts are repetitive and suspect. I have reported this person to the moderators.
Thank you for the information! It seems to have been removed already since I can't see it any longer
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Hi there! As I make my own clothing, I too was very interested in this topic when first transitioning to a vegan lifestyle. What I've found is that there are TONS of lovely natural fibers that you can use to replace silk. Fabrics made from rayon, bamboo, and tencel all have a wonderful drape and handfeel, are soft to wear and are also durable and washable - bonus!!

I have heard lots of intriguing research being done on silk made from discarded corn husks, and banana plants, as mentioned above. There is also experimentation being done to make a type of leather from pineapples, I believe. I have also heard of soy silk, but have not actually seen any of these fabrics made available to the public, at least where I am, so please do share if you find any resources! ^_^

Oh that's really cool, thanks for your reply! So far I have also only seen soy fibre yarn which seems to be available on Etsy and similar pages. No woven/knitted fabric yet unfortunately - but would be great if you could let me know in case you come across one As far as I know the most well known company working with pineapple leather is Piñatex (Ananas Anam) - a previous alumni from my course was the first designer that worked with this material. Really cool stuff, I'm very interested in how this will influence the fashion industry in the future!

Btw, I have also created a short survey for my masters project which I will post here later on - it's mostly about alternatives to conventional silk production as well as substitutes like soy and banana fibre. I'm very grateful for every response I get, so if you can spare a few minutes to fill it out it would be much appreciated
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Here is the link to the survey: https://www.esurveycreator.co.uk/s/8d6dc3f

Thanks so much everyone for your help so far!!
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Here is the link to the survey: https://www.esurveycreator.co.uk/s/8d6dc3f

Thanks so much everyone for your help so far!!
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