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#1 Old 03-30-2018, 07:35 AM
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8 Reasons to Forget Keto and Go Vegan

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Fad diets come and go, but a whole-foods, plant-based diet is one to stick with for the long-term.

Similar to a dietary medusa, the ketogenic diet has emerged in the vacuum left by the fading popularity of other low-carbohydrate, high-fat diets such as the Paleo and Atkins diets. Sporting a new name but an unoriginal weight-loss strategy, the ketogenic diet calls for its followers to spurn carbohydrates in favor of eating high-fat and high-protein foods such as meat, eggs, and cheese—all of which are unhealthy. The ketogenic diet has the same allure of many fad diets that promise quick weight loss, but these diets also brings with them numerous health risks about which all dieters should know. So, instead of going keto, dieters should consider adopting a whole-foods, plant-based diet to lose weight while avoiding an ever-growing list of health concerns.
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#2 Old 06-06-2018, 06:25 AM
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Vegan is much healthier than keto.
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Oh, you know, wasn't there a thread on pet peeves or something. At the time I couldn't think of one. But now....
It does annoy me that so many people have been hoodwinked by keto and paleo.
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I sort of agree about these diet fads, but...

I know two people with different cancers who swear by keto. I forget the details, but they say there's some good evidence that it's helpful for cancer patients. ::

I guess I've gotten to the age where I figure whatever works, works. At least keto is what it says it is. Paleo is just stuff someone made up and isn't much like what our ancient ancestors ate in the paleolithic age.
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I sort of agree about these diet fads, but...

I know two people with different cancers who swear by keto. I forget the details, but they say there's some good evidence that it's helpful for cancer patients. ::

I guess I've gotten to the age where I figure whatever works, works. At least keto is what it says it is. Paleo is just stuff someone made up and isn't much like what our ancient ancestors ate in the paleolithic age.

There is some evidence that ketogenic diets may assist with cancer treatment, although the American Cancer Society hasn't yet made any statement regarding these diets.

A ketogenic diet that is high in saturated fats would likely be risky. The American Heart Association, the American Diabetes Association, the Alzheimer's Association, the World Health Organization of the United Nations, and other mainstream health organizations recommend that people replace dietary saturated fats with unsaturated fats.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Health...10_Article.jsp

http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...-diabetes.html

http://blog.alz.org/dietary-saturate...of-alzheimers/

http://www.who.int/topics/diet/en/
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Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
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I sort of agree about these diet fads, but...

I know two people with different cancers who swear by keto. I forget the details, but they say there's some good evidence that it's helpful for cancer patients. ::

I guess I've gotten to the age where I figure whatever works, works. At least keto is what it says it is. Paleo is just stuff someone made up and isn't much like what our ancient ancestors ate in the paleolithic age.
Paleo isn't even what it says it is. First thing is its name. There were no cavemen in the Paleozoic era. They lived in the Cenozoic. Same as us.
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Paleo isn't even what it says it is. First thing is its name. There were no cavemen in the Paleozoic era. They lived in the Cenozoic. Same as us.
Ha! Good point! Thanks for a very timely reminder.
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There is some evidence that ketogenic diets may assist with cancer treatment, although the American Cancer Society hasn't yet made any statement regarding these diets.
True, but I don't trust the ACS as far as I can throw the entire organization.

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A ketogenic diet that is high in saturated fats would likely be risky. The American Heart Association, the American Diabetes Association, the Alzheimer's Association, the World Health Organization of the United Nations, and other mainstream health organizations recommend that people replace dietary saturated fats with unsaturated fats.
That's true for healthy people, and nothing most of us don't already know, but if I had cancer, I'd sure be looking into every option. People with normal iron levels and whose bodies utilize iron properly should not take the doses of iron that I have to take. My high dosage would be harmful to iron-healthy people. I think it would be interesting to see independent studies about how different fats affect people with different illnesses, particularly cancers. So I tend to lean toward the clear possibility that a ketogenic diet might just be helpful for some people with some cancers.

I know one thing: In general, I don't trust Big Medicine or Big pHARMa.
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That's true for healthy people, and nothing most of us don't already know, but if I had cancer, I'd sure be looking into every option. People with normal iron levels and whose bodies utilize iron properly should not take the doses of iron that I have to take. My high dosage would be harmful to iron-healthy people. I think it would be interesting to see independent studies about how different fats affect people with different illnesses, particularly cancers. So I tend to lean toward the clear possibility that a ketogenic diet might just be helpful for some people with some cancers. .


I agree. It's just that popular (as opposed to professional peer-reviewed) ketogenic diet websites tend to claim that saturated fats are good for you, and I wanted to make sure that people were aware that this claim is very likely false.

A ketogenic diet can be based on healthy unsaturated fats, rather than on saturated fats. This peer-reviewed study, presented in the April 2004 issue of the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, found that ketogenic diets (which have been used for almost a century as part of the treatment of epilepsy) produced potentially-harmful cardiovascular side-effects when these diets were rich in saturated fats. The study instead recommends unsaturated fats: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/89/4/1641/2844241

Unsaturated-fat-rich foods include avocados, flax seeds, and certain kinds of nuts. Saturated-fat-rich foods include butter, cheese, full-fat milk, fatty meats, and tropical oils: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutriti.../types-of-fat/
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http://www.who.int/topics/diet/en/

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I totally agree with you - saturated fats cause damage. Thus, every diet plan based on it is unhealthy.
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