"Obesity: It’s Not About the Carbs" - VeggieBoards
Forum Jump: 
 23Likes
  • 4 Post By Werewolf Girl
  • 2 Post By David3
  • 3 Post By David3
  • 3 Post By Iridium
  • 4 Post By David3
  • 1 Post By David3
  • 1 Post By David3
  • 2 Post By Dustie
  • 1 Post By AspiringBuddha
  • 2 Post By Auxin
 
Thread Tools
#1 Old 09-02-2017, 07:26 PM
Super Moderator
 
Werewolf Girl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: BC, Canada
Posts: 16,664
"Obesity: It’s Not About the Carbs"

Quote:
Can you believe people actually avoid fruit in an attempt to lose weight? There has never been a single credible study showing that fruit consumption leads to weight gain, and yet this concept is as prevalent as any nutrition dogma. I have treated people for obesity for years and I can tell you, nobody is coming to see me because they ate too many apples or grapes. Why do people think fruit leads to weight gain? The quick answer from my patients is because of the carbs.

When I ask my patients what their downfall is, when it comes to weight loss, they unanimously blame carbs. Their diet log will read: eggs-and-bacon breakfast sandwich, Subway sandwich and chips for lunch, and a pork roast with potatoes for dinner. When asked the part of that menu that is causing them to gain weight, they blame the bread from the sandwiches, the chips, and the potatoes. It is always the bun, never the hamburger. Now don’t get me wrong; there is nothing healthy about chips, loaded with fat. The sandwich bread is likely bleached flour with little, to no, nutrient value.

However, the vast majority of the calories are coming from fat and protein. Pizza and donuts are considered carbs despite the fact that they contain as many (or more) calories from fat as carbs.
Read the rest here: https://www.forksoverknives.com/obes...out-the-carbs/

I see people demonizing carbs while eating really unhealthy foods a lot, one guy I know is on a low carb diet and considers pork rinds a healthy snack. This is a refreshing take!
Spudulika, David3, Mr. H. and 1 others like this.

"If we could live happy and healthy lives without harming others... why wouldn't we?" - Edgars Mission
Werewolf Girl is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
#2 Old 09-02-2017, 07:41 PM
Vegan since 1991
 
David3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,625
Yep. People say that donuts are unhealthy because of the (processed) carbs, but added fat is equally the culprit.

A "Dunkin Donuts" glazed donut gets about 1/2 of its calories from fat, and about 1/2 of its calories from carbohydrates : http://www.calorieking.com/foods/cal...kPTU2MzQx.html
.

_________

Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
- United Nations' World Health Organization
http://www.who.int/topics/diet/en/

Last edited by David3; 09-02-2017 at 07:44 PM.
David3 is offline  
#3 Old 09-02-2017, 08:13 PM
Vegan since 1991
 
David3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,625
Very strange that people avoid fruit in their attempts to lose weight. A medium peach is only 60 calories! https://www.google.com/search?source...k1.j4_-dw0XiSI
cherries, Spudulika and Mr. H. like this.

_________

Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
- United Nations' World Health Organization
http://www.who.int/topics/diet/en/
David3 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
#4 Old 09-03-2017, 12:52 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Texas
Posts: 43
Yeah its quite strange. I have seen diabetic people order bunless double cheese burgers and deep fried onion rings instead of fries because, " The carbs are unhealthy", like seriously this is getting out of hand. People are posting everywhere now that you can eat unlimited amounts of fat and cholesterol as long as you avoid carbohydrate,that sugar and carbs in any form are what really causes heart disease, and that low fat is just a conspiracy theory because the low fat trend has not cured the obesity epidemic.

LOL its not the low fat foods fault. IF YOU REPLACE FATTY JUNK FOOD WITH SUGAR FILLED JUNK FOOD OF COURSE YOUR NOT GOING TO LOSE ANY WEIGHT!!!!

Its all about calories restriction. Which people usually fail to do. You can easily lose weight on a vodka, MC Donald's, candy and cigarette diet as long as you calorie count lol. But weight loss is not the point. We want people to be healthy for corns sake.
Spudulika, David3 and Mr. H. like this.
Iridium is offline  
#5 Old 09-03-2017, 01:02 PM
Vegan since 1991
 
David3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,625
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iridium View Post
Yeah its quite strange. I have seen diabetic people order bunless double cheese burgers and deep fried onion rings instead of fries because, " The carbs are unhealthy", like seriously this is getting out of hand. People are posting everywhere now that you can eat unlimited amounts of fat and cholesterol as long as you avoid carbohydrate,that sugar and carbs in any form are what really causes heart disease, and that low fat is just a conspiracy theory because the low fat trend has not cured the obesity epidemic.

LOL its not the low fat foods fault. IF YOU REPLACE FATTY JUNK FOOD WITH SUGAR FILLED JUNK FOOD OF COURSE YOUR NOT GOING TO LOSE ANY WEIGHT!!!!

Its all about calories restriction. Which people usually fail to do. You can easily lose weight on a vodka, MC Donald's, candy and cigarette diet as long as you calorie count lol. But weight loss is not the point. We want people to be healthy for corns sake.

Yes, it's completely insane. The American Diabetes Association directly discourages people from eating saturated-fat-rich foods, like the fatty meats, cheeses etc: http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...-diabetes.html . People with diabetes aren't even properly informed about the recommendations of reputable organizations that fight diabetes! Low-carb is so entrenched in the online diabetes community.

_________

Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
- United Nations' World Health Organization
http://www.who.int/topics/diet/en/
David3 is offline  
#6 Old 10-16-2017, 08:14 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 11
Hi there

What you're tryng to do isn't easy, but you have to trust yourself ! I'm sure it gonna work well !

Good luck !

Regards,
Luc Camisard is offline  
#7 Old 01-22-2018, 07:54 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 5
There's nothing wrong with a high fat diet either. In fact, people who eat low fat alternatives usually gain weight, while people who've struggled with their weight their whole life has lost it on high fat diets.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
twistedbydesiign is online now  
#8 Old 01-22-2018, 08:37 PM
Vegan since 1991
 
David3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,625
Quote:
Originally Posted by twistedbydesiign View Post
There's nothing wrong with a high fat diet either. In fact, people who eat low fat alternatives usually gain weight, while people who've struggled with their weight their whole life has lost it on high fat diets.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Please substantiate this with citations of peer-reviewed studies.
.
Mr. H. likes this.

_________

Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
- United Nations' World Health Organization
http://www.who.int/topics/diet/en/
David3 is offline  
#9 Old 01-22-2018, 08:46 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by David3 View Post
Please substantiate this with citations of peer-reviewed studies.
.


I'm not allowed to post links, that's why I didn't in my initial post. But the info is widely available, it's just a simple google search away. A ton of studies support the fact that eating higher amounts of fat on a plant based diet reduces weight.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
twistedbydesiign is online now  
#10 Old 01-22-2018, 09:35 PM
Vegan since 1991
 
David3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,625
Quote:
Originally Posted by twistedbydesiign View Post
I'm not allowed to post links, that's why I didn't in my initial post. But the info is widely available, it's just a simple google search away. A ton of studies support the fact that eating higher amounts of fat on a plant based diet reduces weight.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hi twistedbydesign! I apologize for not saying hello before jumping right into the conversation.

It's true that certain diet proponents, including some physicians, claim that high-fat diets are effective for weight loss, and that low-fat diets cause weight gain. However, the peer-reviewed nutrition literature doesn't support this claim.

Here are relevant peer-reviewed studies, from the reputable American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the Journal of the American Medical Association, and the New England Journal of Medicine. These reputable journals are neither pro-vegetarian nor anti-vegetarian. Only one of the below-linked studies showed that higher-fat diets are more effective for weight loss than are low-fat diets - the other studies showed equivalent results from either diet.

From the February 1996 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/63/2/174.abstract

From the May 2004 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79....full.pdf+html

From the October 2006 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/84....full.pdf+html

From the October 2009 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2763382/

From the January 2012 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95....full.pdf+html

From the September 2014 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/1900510


Please forgive me for jumping into this topic so abruptly. Here's the concern: We need to be careful about misrepresenting low-fat, carbohydrate-rich whole foods, because these foods are strongly recommended by all mainstream vegetarian and vegan organizations, and by all mainstream health organizations. Beans, lentils, sweet potatoes, whole grains, and whole fruit - all of which are low in fat - are strongly recommended by all of these groups.

https://www.vegansociety.com/resourc...ition-overview

https://www.vegsoc.org/eatwellplate

https://recipes.heart.org/Articles/1...ns-and-Legumes

http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...uperfoods.html

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...endations.html
Mr. H. likes this.

_________

Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
- United Nations' World Health Organization
http://www.who.int/topics/diet/en/

Last edited by David3; 01-23-2018 at 08:28 PM.
David3 is offline  
#11 Old 01-23-2018, 06:27 AM
Newbie
 
Dustie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 22
First, I am 5'7" and 128 lbs. I have been a vegetarian for 28 years. A relative by marriage who is obese found out I was vegetarian and said, "I have to have my meat and I have to avoid carbs." I said, "How is that working out for you?"
David3 and Mr. H. like this.
Dustie is offline  
#12 Old 01-23-2018, 02:09 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: U.S. Midwest
Posts: 60
Forks Over Knives, the movie, will be available streaming for free this weekend.

Free Forks Over Knives

You will need to provide an email or Facebook account, but if you haven't watched it, know someone who might benefit from watching it, or would like to see it again, here's your chance!
Mr. H. likes this.

When we make compassion our barometer, we don't settle for violence on a small scale. We aspire to kindness on a huge scale. --Colleen Patrick-Goudreau
AspiringBuddha is offline  
#13 Old 01-23-2018, 04:49 PM
Oryzatarian
 
Auxin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: USDA z7a
Posts: 1,359
Quote:
Originally Posted by David3 View Post
Please substantiate this with citations of peer-reviewed studies.
.
And read the full texts of those studies, not the abstracts.
I've seen a couple human clinical trials that purported to show that 'low fat' diets do not help with weight loss. In all cases I downloaded the full text and what really happened was they had people, for example, go from 40% calories from fat to 35% calories from fat for 3 weeks
[I didnt keep the references because those junk science studies were only good for a laugh]

A low fat diet gets 8-12% of its calories from fat.
I make absolutely no attempt to eat low-fat. I just cook vegan food from scratch with no refined ingredients and my stats show me getting 10-12% calories from fat, so its not 'extreme' or anything.

My favorite fruitarian:
David3 and Mr. H. like this.
Auxin is offline  
#14 Old 01-24-2018, 01:14 AM
Veggie Regular
 
Spudulika's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: UK
Posts: 1,098
This isn't science, though it is amusing and interesting:

Spudulika is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the VeggieBoards forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in


Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off