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#1 Old 02-18-2016, 05:34 PM
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New Warnings Against Paleo Diet

HA!

Of all the fad diets, I hate this one the most. And Pete Evans drives me crazy. New research has been released saying that if you follow the paleo diet it could make you fatter and increase your chance of getting diabetes. It's such a stupid and scientifically flawed diet.

I remember when a paleo cookbook for children had to be recalled off the shelf, as it had a recipe in it for babies that was actually extremely dangerous for children to eat.

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/d...18-gmy7kp.html
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Interesting study. However, the study was performed on mice, not humans. The results may therefore have limited validity.

http://www.nature.com/nutd/journal/v...utd20162a.html

It is interesting to note (Disclaimer: I am not fat-shaming) that Dr. Loren Cordain, the author of "The Paleo Diet", is not slim. He has neck and belly fat, like many American men:




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Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
- United Nations' World Health Organization
http://www.who.int/topics/diet/en/

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IMO, you have to be pretty ignorant to fall for the idea of a true paleo diet being healthy.

People have such an amazing capacity for buying into whatever appears trendy at any given time.
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And every person I know who follow Paleo diets( and I know a few) say that I should eat Paleo because it's healthier than being vegan and the kicker"the meat is from humane treatment" huh!!!!
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HA!

Of all the fad diets, I hate this one the most. And Pete Evans drives me crazy. New research has been released saying that if you follow the paleo diet it could make you fatter and increase your chance of getting diabetes. It's such a stupid and scientifically flawed diet.

I remember when a paleo cookbook for children had to be recalled off the shelf, as it had a recipe in it for babies that was actually extremely dangerous for children to eat.

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/d...18-gmy7kp.html
Was that the 'bone broth' stuff that was recommended as 'nourishing' to babies? Eeeew
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i think any benefits from this diet come from the fact that a huge percentage of Americans eat virtually no fruits and vegetables. When they adopt this diet they start eating some.
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i think any benefits from this diet come from the fact that a huge percentage of Americans eat virtually no fruits and vegetables. When they adopt this diet they start eating some.

Exactly. Plus, any diet that excludes donuts, chips, and soda is bound to be better than the Standard American Diet.
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Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
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Was that the 'bone broth' stuff that was recommended as 'nourishing' to babies? Eeeew
Yep that was the one. Was proven to be potentially very dangerous or even deadly for babies so they had to recall it.
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And every person I know who follow Paleo diets( and I know a few) say that I should eat Paleo because it's healthier than being vegan and the kicker"the meat is from humane treatment" huh!!!!
Don't worry. You can easily Google an American study that voted paleo worst health diet or second worst two years in a row, and rated vegan significantly better.
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So why isn't the lifestyle of Paleo promoted along with their diet? Like having no mechanical means of transport, and having no temperture controls or decent housing? No electric, or gas or protection
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So why isn't the lifestyle of Paleo promoted along with their diet? Like having no mechanical means of transport, and having no temperture controls or decent housing? No electric, or gas or protection
And actually having to hunt animals without guns. They'd be in for a really nasty surprise.

Ive watched survivalist types hunt on NatGeo, or Discovery. Humans are miserable hunters, and it can take DAYS to make one kill - and that's if you are even skilled to begin with.
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You know, isn't the argument for the "Paleo" diet about what humans should be eating? That logic is exactly why modern humans should be eating whole foods plant based!
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So why isn't the lifestyle of Paleo promoted along with their diet? Like having no mechanical means of transport, and having no temperture controls or decent housing? No electric, or gas or protection
When I think about living in another time period, I always figure I would have died pretty young because my eyesight is so very bad. I certainly would have walked off a cliff or been devoured by a tiger.

Little things like eyeglasses, or shoes, or refrigerators I take for granted. I am chock full of gratitude suddenly.

I see the paleo people at Whole Foods. I went to the WF meat counter to protest when they (briefly and disgustingly) were selling bunny meat. It was the paleo shoppers there that told me how eating bunnies was 'natural.' I said 'then go catch one with your bare hands or with a club.'
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And actually having to hunt animals without guns. They'd be in for a really nasty surprise.

Ive watched survivalist types hunt on NatGeo, or Discovery. Humans are miserable hunters, and it can take DAYS to make one kill - and that's if you are even skilled to begin with.
Agreed.
It's pretty well established now that paleo humans were not particularly successful hunters at all. What humans were good at was scavenging the kills of other animals. Specifically they were especially good at using tools to get fresh bone marrow other predators and scavengers could not access inside bones.

I suppose if we still lived that way eating bone marrow might be a good idea, but sitting around eating bone marrow in the 21st century is kind of ridiculous.
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I think we've evolved over the aeons and I think a vegetarian diet is a more advanced form of human nourishment. I am not nostalgic for the cave man days!
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So why isn't the lifestyle of Paleo promoted along with their diet? Like having no mechanical means of transport, and having no temperture controls or decent housing? No electric, or gas or protection
No phone.... no lights... no motorcar...
Not a single luxury...
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I think whole foods is the healthiest diet....If only I could stick to it.
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WAPF is an extremely dangerous fad. http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/0...oundation.html Its victims are cult-like in their hostility and rigidity.
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Exactly. Plus, any diet that excludes donuts, chips, and soda is bound to be better than the Standard American Diet.
Exactly. Any diet that includes some vegetables and excludes nutrient-poor processed foods is bound to be an improvement over the Standard American ("SAD") diet.
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I think whole foods is the healthiest diet....If only I could stick to it.
I swear I have more of a sweet tooth now than I did as a kid. What works for me is, if I don't trust myself not to go on an unhealthy feeding frenzy on a particular food, I just don't buy it- at least, not in large quantities.

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I just have to say that I love this thread. I do. Everyone around me is 'pure and paleo' right now and it's such a (harmful) joke.
Hoorah for a beacon of sanity...
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Lets not forget the most important issue with Paleo; How Horribly obnoxious and arrogant so many of it's participants are!




I was talking with a woman at work last week, as we were both drinking smoothies and she asked what brand I was drinking and I replied 'no brand, just spinach, a banana, some berries, juice and whatever else' , which led her into an unsolicited pro paleo spiel and ended with her saying she only uses powdered smoothie mixes since she was 'afraid of fruit and vegetable ones'

who the f*** is afraid of spinach!

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who the f*** is afraid of spinach!
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It was the paleo shoppers there that told me how eating bunnies was 'natural.'
Two practical problems with that for paleofantasists:

1) The rabbit being slaughtered for flesh is probably of a variety that has been bred specifically for that purpose. Since breeding programs are ongoing, the rabbit bought today has differences from the rabbit purchased 30 years ago, let alone in the timeframe paleofantasists like to imagine.

2) There are instances in 'pioneer' America of explorers having plenty of rabbit to eat ... and starving to death. IIRC, it's too lean.

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Though I find this hilarious, it isn't really an accurate portrayal of a paleo person (the guy with the burger) because they are anti grains. Now take the grain off the burger, and the cheese, then add about six burger patties (grass fed of course so that would eliminate most fast food) and THEN you have a more accurate portrayal lol.
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Paleo is a load of crap - however, testing it on mice is not going to yield accurate results by any means. I'm assuming they fed those mice things like chicken and beef; that's far from natural, which the paleo diet claims to be. While it would be extremely difficult for a human to hunt anything without tools, it would be impossible for a mouse to hunt anything bigger than an insect (or perhaps another rodent around the same size as them?).
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because they are anti grains.
When I was a kid I read instructions in my Boy Scout field manual for making "bread" out of cattails (the plant, not kitty bits). Maybe it's a cattail bun

(This site has info on using cattail, including recipes. The bread-like ones all cut in some flour, but if you combined the cattail pollen base with techniques already used in gluten free baking it should be possible to get rid of the grains. Of course paleofantasists will object that some of the ingredients used in GF baking weren't available to the "caveman" diet as they misperceive it. I have a hard time taking the objection seriously.)

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