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#1 Old 04-24-2006, 07:46 PM
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Not sure this is the right place for this but....



I'm trying to become more spiritual, as Al-Anon recommends it for lasting peace of mind.



I am the sort of person now who meditates occasionally, & believes in a personal deity (Pallas Athena) who I believe has helped me.



But I am really getting slack on doing my Wiccan rituals & proper, regular meditation. I read about it a lot, & I tell people I'm a "Shambhala Wiccan" when they tell me I need Jesus in my life, but I'm not practicing my belief right now.



How can one kick start their faith again?



btw- I have ZERO interest in converting to Jesus or Christianity, but if Christians can suggest ways of staying actively spiritual, I'd love to hear more.
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#2 Old 04-24-2006, 08:01 PM
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Being a spiritual Wiccan is not about the rituals it is as much a way of living as a religian.

I think the best form of spirtuality is not in what you do but in how you live.
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Have you thought about going for a walk? Where there's lots of trees and such - Wicca is an earth based religion, with much focus on elements. I've found that I don't practice rituals very often anymore, but I do meditate when I can, and funny enough, my cat's name is Athena. I know sometimes it can be hard. I'll send you a PM tomorrow about some more stuff (i'm a wee bit tired right now - 1:40am and all)
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#4 Old 04-25-2006, 12:06 AM
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Who is this? I only know a little about Wiccan, but I am curious about learning more. I thought wiccans did not believe in a deity?
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Wiccans actually believe in two deities - the god and goddess. It was a major problem with the religion for me which otherwise seemed really cool (I couldn't deal with a deity at all... I like the respect of nature, etc, in wicca, just not the deity worship.)



I did not think Pallas Athena was a wiccan representation of the goddess... rather a common pagan one.



Organica, I think you can be intensely spiritual without being religious. I agree with the walk through the forest. Or if not, just observe the scenery around you - whether its the city, or just a sunset, or a really good rainfall - and think about the immense and gorgeous forces in our ecosystem - it is humbling and spiritual, in my humble opinion.
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One way of getting spiritual is gratitude (thanking whichever deity you worship for all the blessings in your life). A daily reminder of our blessings is a great way to reconnect with _______ (fill in the blank).
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Each night when I go to sleep, I take a moment to think about all the people I love. I visualize them as bright points of light on a dark map of the world. It makes me feel connected, like I'm part of a constellation. Maybe that meditation could help you.
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Each night when I go to sleep, I take a moment to think about all the people I love. I visualize them as bright points of light on a dark map of the world. It makes me feel connected, like I'm part of a constellation. Maybe that meditation could help you.



That's beautiful
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hmm. this is a toughy.



half of being spiritual is simply being--living what you are and what you have learned you are. and the other half of it is spiritual disciplines which help us grow spiritually, help us learn who we are so that we can live ourselves, be ourselves more fully.



i've always found that there are times when disciplines go 'on hiatus' for us because we become to attached to them or simply because we need to live what we have learned--put that into practice--rather than practice things to learn how to live. does that make sense? i don't know if i'm being clear.



but the danger in the hiatus is that we might loose our consistancy with spiritual disciplines altogether and not grow in our spirituality because we're not practicing.



so, to your situation, i think you have to ask yourself whether or not it's a time to 'just be' and put into practice all that you've learned or if it's a time to move into a deeper spiritual discipline practice so that you can learn more and live more clearly.



i'm sorry that this is so convoluted. the two aspects go hand-in-hand.
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I believe in seeing the 'holy' part in everything you do and everyone you meet. Daily chores take on a deeper meaning when you think like this. You can bring spirituality into your daily life this way. Nature is a great inspiration for me too (I never cease to be amazed by the miracles of nature !), and practising forgiveness (though it's hard, I'll admit) is helpful as well. You can do all this on a daily basis. Just being conscious of the wonders of the universe and being grateful to be a part of it every day is being spiritual, I think. It doesn't need to be any harder than that.
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I don't think religion is necessary for one to be spiritual. I go for a lot of walks in parks or wherever there are trees, or I'll go to a lake/river and listen to the sound of the water and feel the sun on my skin. I think part of spirituality is in appreciating everyday things and taking time to see the beauty around you. You could also try keeping a small notebook by your bed. At the end of the day, everyday, write down 5 things you are grateful for. They don't have to be big things. It could be something as simple as the taste of chocolate or a compliment you received.

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Hi Organica!



Although I agree with others that one can be spiritual doing everyday things, I also feel there is a real value in having a specific practice you keep up with. I started with Wicca five years ago, and I have observed every full moon since. There have been times I really did not feel like doing ritual, but I did anyway, and was always glad I did. It has a wonderfully cleansing effect for me, and I need that as part of my monthly rhythm.



You could also set aside an evening each week to work with tarot cards or runes.



Another possibility is expressing your relationship with your goddess through some creative activity - writing, art, music, or whatever works for you.



If you have any Wiccan friends in your area, they might help you stay dedicated.



There have been times when my spirituality has been really dynamic and exciting, and I feel totally energized and in love with life. It's easy to maintain a practice during those times, but much harder when I feel stalled out or depressed or just disconnected. At those times I remind myself that I am in this for the long haul; it's not a fad. I treat it as a kind of devotion then, like making deposits into the spiritual bank account. I treat my relationship with the Goddess like I would a marriage - sticking around after the courtship has run its course, sweeping the floors and doing the dishes, because I know that over the long term that sense of commitment will reward me with a richer life.



Blessings, Tom
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Hi Organica!



Although I agree with others that one can be spiritual doing everyday things, I also feel there is a real value in having a specific practice you keep up with. I started with Wicca five years ago, and I have observed every full moon since. There have been times I really did not feel like doing ritual, but I did anyway, and was always glad I did. It has a wonderfully cleansing effect for me, and I need that as part of my monthly rhythm.



You could also set aside an evening each week to work with tarot cards or runes.



Another possibility is expressing your relationship with your goddess through some creative activity - writing, art, music, or whatever works for you.



If you have any Wiccan friends in your area, they might help you stay dedicated.



There have been times when my spirituality has been really dynamic and exciting, and I feel totally energized and in love with life. It's easy to maintain a practice during those times, but much harder when I feel stalled out or depressed or just disconnected. At those times I remind myself that I am in this for the long haul; it's not a fad. I treat it as a kind of devotion then, like making deposits into the spiritual bank account. I treat my relationship with the Goddess like I would a marriage - sticking around after the courtship has run its course, sweeping the floors and doing the dishes, because I know that over the long term that sense of commitment will reward me with a richer life.



Blessings, Tom

Wow, well said, Tom. I also agree with what others have said about taking time just to commune with nature and feel at one with it. For me, it seems the Goddess (and God) speak so much through nature and its natural rhythms.

I don't think it's too uncommon to take a break from ritual. Maybe just lighting a candle each day and spending a couple minutes to honor your deity and think of the blessings in your life will help? Or maybe try writing out some new rituals for yourself that aren't very long but will get you back to feeling more spiritual.

If you celebrate Beltane, since it's almost here, maybe doing something different for this celebration will mix things up for you. Good luck BB
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Wiccans actually believe in two deities - the god and goddess. It was a major problem with the religion for me which otherwise seemed really cool (I couldn't deal with a deity at all... I like the respect of nature, etc, in wicca, just not the deity worship.)



I did not think Pallas Athena was a wiccan representation of the goddess... rather a common pagan one.



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I'm an "eclectic" Wiccan, rather than a traditional one.

Many Wiccans only praise the Goddess, ie. Dianic Wiccans, feminist Wiccans, eclectic Wiccans of some descriptions.

I for one just feel naturally that creation is female, & thus so is deity.



An eclectic Wiccan relates with whatever deity/-ies they wish, from any ethnic pantheon. Athena has always resonated with me, & I feel She looks out for me & gives me my talents.
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I am inspired by your suggestions Seusomon!!

I find walking outdoors & observing nature doesn't have the same effect as actually doing ritual & spells.

Fortunately Beltane is tomorrow, so I have no excuse to sit on my a$$ now.

I'm also getting pumped up for the occasion by reading Laurie cabot's "The Power of the Witch".

Thanks for your help.



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Hi Organica!



Although I agree with others that one can be spiritual doing everyday things, I also feel there is a real value in having a specific practice you keep up with. I started with Wicca five years ago, and I have observed every full moon since. There have been times I really did not feel like doing ritual, but I did anyway, and was always glad I did. It has a wonderfully cleansing effect for me, and I need that as part of my monthly rhythm.



You could also set aside an evening each week to work with tarot cards or runes.



Another possibility is expressing your relationship with your goddess through some creative activity - writing, art, music, or whatever works for you.



If you have any Wiccan friends in your area, they might help you stay dedicated.



There have been times when my spirituality has been really dynamic and exciting, and I feel totally energized and in love with life. It's easy to maintain a practice during those times, but much harder when I feel stalled out or depressed or just disconnected. At those times I remind myself that I am in this for the long haul; it's not a fad. I treat it as a kind of devotion then, like making deposits into the spiritual bank account. I treat my relationship with the Goddess like I would a marriage - sticking around after the courtship has run its course, sweeping the floors and doing the dishes, because I know that over the long term that sense of commitment will reward me with a richer life.



Blessings, Tom

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I don't think it's too uncommon to take a break from ritual. Maybe just lighting a candle each day and spending a couple minutes to honor your deity and think of the blessings in your life will help? Or maybe try writing out some new rituals for yourself that aren't very long but will get you back to feeling more spiritual.

If you celebrate Beltane, since it's almost here, maybe doing something different for this celebration will mix things up for you. Good luck BB



Great suggestions as well. Thank you. I don't feel like such a lapsed Wiccan anymore!! blessed be!!
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Just draw closer to your God. Seek.
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Umm, what's wicca? I have not really really heard with it is.
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wicca refers to a broad category of neo-pagan spiritual/religious practices.
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I have gained the most peace of mind and equanimity from Buddhism, which is not a religion so much as a spiritual practice. You can be a Buddhist and a Christian without any problems, if you want to. It's more about how you look at life than a matter of worship.



If you're interested, I can recommend books.







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Hey Rev, could you reccomend some reading on Buddhism? I've been really intrigued by the little bit I've learned of it lately and want to explore this more.



(I don't mean to hijack the thread, Organica )
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I'm going to yoga tonight. This is apparently somewhat spiritual....

I have been talking to my Goddess more lately, in accordance with the 2nd Step in Al-Anon. I believe She's helping me, & She has been all along, except when I chose to sabotage Her plans.
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I'm an "eclectic" Wiccan, rather than a traditional one.

Many Wiccans only praise the Goddess, ie. Dianic Wiccans, feminist Wiccans, eclectic Wiccans of some descriptions.

I for one just feel naturally that creation is female, & thus so is deity.



An eclectic Wiccan relates with whatever deity/-ies they wish, from any ethnic pantheon. Athena has always resonated with me, & I feel She looks out for me & gives me my talents.



Hear hear! I could categorize myself as such, plus some added beliefs/spirituality from Buddhism, my other staple. It's best to be flexable and versatile. I have always had a link with Diana, but am also drawn to Bridgit. Depends on the seasons, moods, etc.
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I have gained the most peace of mind and equanimity from Buddhism, which is not a religion so much as a spiritual practice.



As have I! I strongly second The Rev's recommendation to check it out.
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Hey Rev, could you reccomend some reading on Buddhism? I've been really intrigued by the little bit I've learned of it lately and want to explore this more.



(I don't mean to hijack the thread, Organica )



The first book I read on Buddhism was "Thoughts Without A Thinker" by Mark Epstein. It compares Buddhism with psychotherapy and it got me hooked, as I've done psychotherapy for awhile and am used to thinking about my issues in that way. I don't know if that's a good place for everyone to start, but the next book I read was "Buddhism for Dummies" which is a great overview of the important areas of Buddhism. If you read it, you will gain alot of familiarity with the world of Buddhism, and have a better idea of where you'd like to go with it.



After that, I've read a couple of books. The first is "Radical Acceptance" by Tara Brach, which is also written by a psychologist/Buddhist, and centers on self-acceptance in the Buddhist tradition. The second is "The Beginners Guide to Walking the Buddha's Eightfold Path" by Jean Smith (another psychologist/Buddhist) and it deals with the details of living a Buddhist lifestyle. I would recommend Buddhism for Dummies before reading the second book, tho, as it gives the basics on the Eightfold path already.



Another book, "How to Meditate" by Lawrence LaShan is also a great book, as it goes into meditation in a really straight forward way without all the arcane or religious stuff. It's a good book for people who want a practical guide.



Hope that helped.







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