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So this brand of soy products has been one of my favorite for a while...
but today while shopping for a bag of ground beef...
the ingredients said it contained MILK AND EGG PRODUCTS!!!
what!?
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN VEGAN why change it now?
Anyone else notice this?
but today while shopping for a bag of ground beef...
the ingredients said it contained MILK AND EGG PRODUCTS!!!
what!?
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN VEGAN why change it now?
Anyone else notice this?
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hmmm... i've never bought that stuff, but i just took a look at the website and it looks like the ingredients have changed for good (for now anyway). very sad. i've never been very impressed with morningstar farms' modus operandi. i mean, weren't they supposed to start using LESS eggs in their products starting this fall?
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I just bought some and stuck it in the freezer. After running downstairs to check, it's vegan. No egg or milk in my package.
But holy crap.... I just looked at their website and look what it says:
http://www.morningstarfarms.com/prod...ily=366&id=324
Egg whites and skim milk! Why?! Why?!?!? I'm glad you brought this up. My store must still have the old ones in stock. I'm going back out to get the rest that they have in case these hit our shelves soon. I'm also writing a very very angry letter to MSF/Kellogg.
But holy crap.... I just looked at their website and look what it says:
http://www.morningstarfarms.com/prod...ily=366&id=324
Egg whites and skim milk! Why?! Why?!?!? I'm glad you brought this up. My store must still have the old ones in stock. I'm going back out to get the rest that they have in case these hit our shelves soon. I'm also writing a very very angry letter to MSF/Kellogg.
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Boca's crumbles sales are going to go up with this change!
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I was doing my own thing quietly and YOU are the one who created this post trying to make a big deal out of it. Keep flaming the fire. That must be what you want.
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I was doing my own thing quietly and YOU are the one who created this post trying to make a big deal out of it. Keep flaming the fire. That must be what you want.
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Perhaps if we all write letters to Morningstar protesting this change, they will change the recipe back.... I don't know.... The only product I buy of theirs is the crumbles.... Boca Co. is probably happy! 
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I was doing my own thing quietly and YOU are the one who created this post trying to make a big deal out of it. Keep flaming the fire. That must be what you want.
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They most likely use powdered milk and egg whites a cheaper binder than what they were using before. They can get it bulk for low prices. This will keep their product the same consistency while increasing the profit margin on the unit. Somebody at Morningstar probably got a promotion and raise for this 'cost savings'.
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What befuddles me is that it's not just vegans that are affected by this either. Dairy-free vegetarians and omnis (of which there are many due to allergies and intolerances) will stop buying these products as well. In an age where many companies are removing dairy from their products, these jokers are adding it back in? 
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Originally Posted by Digger 
What befuddles me is that it's not just vegans that are affected by this either. Dairy-free vegetarians and omnis (of which there are many due to allergies and intolerances) will stop buying these products as well. In an age where many companies are removing dairy from their products, these jokers are adding it back in?
What befuddles me is that it's not just vegans that are affected by this either. Dairy-free vegetarians and omnis (of which there are many due to allergies and intolerances) will stop buying these products as well. In an age where many companies are removing dairy from their products, these jokers are adding it back in?
Not really. Lactose intolerant people will still be able to buy the product and exactly how many people are allergic to egg whites?
The vast majority of people who buy these products are not vegetarians or those with allergies but by omnivores who are reducing their meat intake for heatlh reasons. The company will not lose its core demographic by this change, frustrating as that is.
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Really frustrating because I loved these. Glad I haven't bought any in a month or so. I remember seeing this mentioned elsewhere and checked my old bag and it was still vegan, but I haven't bought anymore since that bag. I really liked them, though.
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Wow, thanks for pointing that out. I'm not expecting it will do anything but I sent them an email from their contact form and I would suggest you all do the same: http://www.morningstarfarms.com/contact_us.aspx
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I encourage you all to write Morning star and direct our concerns.
This is my favorite soy product...
it makes sloppy joes, tacos...and pretty much anything your in the mood for.
This is my favorite soy product...
it makes sloppy joes, tacos...and pretty much anything your in the mood for.
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I noticed this quite a while back and was really unhappy about it. 
I hate having to find a new vegan replacement.
I hate having to find a new vegan replacement.
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I was doing my own thing quietly and YOU are the one who created this post trying to make a big deal out of it. Keep flaming the fire. That must be what you want.
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"Fake hamburger flavored with... hamburger! Genius!"Don't give them any ideas. Actually the kellogs take-over happened before they released this statement, "according to company spokeswoman Kathleen Eckler, in 2008 “Kellogg is reducing the amount of eggs we use in our Morningstar products by a minimum of one million eggs. We’re committed to announcing even more new vegan products for our customers.”
I included that in my email to them yesterday.
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Originally Posted by MrFalafel
Lactose intolerant people will still be able to buy the product and exactly how many people are allergic to egg whites?
Lactose intolerant people will still be able to buy the product and exactly how many people are allergic to egg whites?
Huh?
My comment was that dairy-free vegetarians and omnis will no longer be able to eat this product. They have added skim milk to it. Omnis with allergies and intolerances to dairy products do not consume skim milk.
I never mentioned eggs.
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Originally Posted by sleepydvdr
Thanks for the info Beachbnny. I use part of what you said in an email I just sent to Morningstar:
Also, tonight I posted this info on Veganrepresent forum. On there, someone claimed that the name brand Health Is Wealth un-veganized their chicken and vegans bugged them until the went back to being vegan. So, there is some hope.
Thanks for the info Beachbnny. I use part of what you said in an email I just sent to Morningstar:
Also, tonight I posted this info on Veganrepresent forum. On there, someone claimed that the name brand Health Is Wealth un-veganized their chicken and vegans bugged them until the went back to being vegan. So, there is some hope.
I'm glad you wrote them
I try and write at least 2 companies each week about something, anything to try and get some change.Why would a company de-veganize something? It just seems so odd. I guess I understand that desire to find a cheap binder and egg and milk fit that bill but really how many pennies per bag are they saving when at least 25% of their customer base stops buying them? It's just so stupid. I wish I could have sat in on that meeting.
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I'm glad you wrote them I try and write at least 2 companies each week about something, anything to try and get some change.
Why would a company de-veganize something? It just seems so odd. I guess I understand that desire to find a cheap binder and egg and milk fit that bill but really how many pennies per bag are they saving when at least 25% of their customer base stops buying them? It's just so stupid. I wish I could have sat in on that meeting.
I'm glad you wrote them
I try and write at least 2 companies each week about something, anything to try and get some change.Why would a company de-veganize something? It just seems so odd. I guess I understand that desire to find a cheap binder and egg and milk fit that bill but really how many pennies per bag are they saving when at least 25% of their customer base stops buying them? It's just so stupid. I wish I could have sat in on that meeting.
Where did you get the 25% number from?
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I thought they offered a veggie and vegan option .
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I was doing my own thing quietly and YOU are the one who created this post trying to make a big deal out of it. Keep flaming the fire. That must be what you want.
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Although I used to live on those burgers when I first went veg. , I haven't bought them in close to 2 years now .
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You could ues this as an opportunity to save yourself a pile of money by making your own faux ground beef using TVP. Its incredibly quick easy and cheap.
Just buy some tvp granules.
Add two cups of the dry granules to a small saucepan on low heat. Add 3 big tbsps of ketchup, 1 tbsp of soy sauce and a good tbsp dollop of Marmite or Vegemite. Then added 1 1/2 cups of water and stir (you can add a tsp of gravy browner if desired). bring to a simmer and in less than 5 minutes you have 1lb of fake ground beef to use just as you would the morningstar stuff you buy at 5x the price.
Just buy some tvp granules.
Add two cups of the dry granules to a small saucepan on low heat. Add 3 big tbsps of ketchup, 1 tbsp of soy sauce and a good tbsp dollop of Marmite or Vegemite. Then added 1 1/2 cups of water and stir (you can add a tsp of gravy browner if desired). bring to a simmer and in less than 5 minutes you have 1lb of fake ground beef to use just as you would the morningstar stuff you buy at 5x the price.
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Originally Posted by MrFalafel
You could ues this as an opportunity to save yourself a pile of money by making your own faux ground beef using TVP. Its incredibly quick easy and cheap.
Just buy some tvp granules.
Add two cups of the dry granules to a small saucepan on low heat. Add 3 big tbsps of ketchup, 1 tbsp of soy sauce and a good tbsp dollop of Marmite or Vegemite. Then added 1 1/2 cups of water and stir (you can add a tsp of gravy browner if desired). bring to a simmer and in less than 5 minutes you have 1lb of fake ground beef to use just as you would the morningstar stuff you buy at 5x the price.
You could ues this as an opportunity to save yourself a pile of money by making your own faux ground beef using TVP. Its incredibly quick easy and cheap.
Just buy some tvp granules.
Add two cups of the dry granules to a small saucepan on low heat. Add 3 big tbsps of ketchup, 1 tbsp of soy sauce and a good tbsp dollop of Marmite or Vegemite. Then added 1 1/2 cups of water and stir (you can add a tsp of gravy browner if desired). bring to a simmer and in less than 5 minutes you have 1lb of fake ground beef to use just as you would the morningstar stuff you buy at 5x the price.
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Hey, I use Boca. They're vegan, they're good, end of story.
I've stopped trying to look at Morningstar's products for vegan-ness. It seems everything they have contains dairy and/or eggs. Boca makes a much better effort.
I've stopped trying to look at Morningstar's products for vegan-ness. It seems everything they have contains dairy and/or eggs. Boca makes a much better effort.
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Originally Posted by animallover7249
Boca's crumbles sales are going to go up with this change!
Boca's crumbles sales are going to go up with this change!
I really don't buy the meat substitutes more than once or twice a year because I just don't like the taste, but a dear friend made a vegan nacho casserole with the Boca crumbles and it was really good. Very nice of her and very yummy.
So if I do buy any, its not gonna be the Morningstar Farms. They will be losing a lot of customers over this change I think.
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Originally Posted by MrFalafel
Where did you get the 25% number from?
Where did you get the 25% number from?
Just my personal, conservative estimate.
I figure their customer base is mostly dividable into, vegans, vegetarians, omni's who want to be "green", and a miscellaneous category. So if they lose the vegans, that's 25% less of my imagined projection for their buying population.See what I did there? lol
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Thanks for the info. I always prefered the sausage-style Meal Starters from Morningstar and I checked and these still say they are vegan. I will be sure to check the ingredients each time I purchase because they might change this product next.
I eat everything that nature voluntarily gives: fruits, vegetables, and the products of plants. But I ask you to spare me what animals are forced to surrender: meat, milk, and cheese. ~Author Unknown
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