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#1 Old 06-15-2006, 06:38 AM
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Hello all. We are preparing a book on the topic of animal suicide* and are soliciting personal stories and/or thoughts on the subject. Please respond to us via email with any ideas and detailed stories. We are looking for any accounts or incidents about the subject; any references to, stories of, scientific studies regarding, historic accounts, folklore; and most of all any personal experiences or thoughts on this matter. Many thanks

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*We define this broadly self-initiated-termination of life for most any reason - to avoid pain [mental and physical]; as a reaction to any other environmental, internal or external stimuli, situations, etc. We come from world-view there the differences between human and non-human animals are de-accentuated though acknowledged and their mutual importance accentuated, with compassion and equal respect for all beings who share this planet.
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#2 Old 06-15-2006, 06:51 AM
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Quite the optimist, I see. This isn't in the news yet.
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Well, I know there is a story about an elephant I think in Iraq who literally went nuts and killed him/herself by banging his/her head against a stone wall (I read this awhile ago so my memory of the story is rather vague). I will try to find it and link it - maybe not for the book but just for interest sake.
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Well, I know there is a story about an elephant I think in Iraq who literally went nuts and killed him/herself by banging his/her head against a stone wall (I read this awhile ago so my memory of the story is rather vague). I will try to find it and link it - maybe not for the book but just for interest sake.

I heard something like that about a dolphin who was in a zoo or something that killed him/herself by repeatedly ramming his/her head against a wall.



Actually, if you google "dolphin suicide" you will find that it is quite known that dolphins in captivity often commit suicide or injure themselves.
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Since suiciude is an intentional act, I would be very skeptical that the finding any act that would be classified as such. Animals banging their head into a wall might be a mad desire to escape, and their death is a result of that attempt.
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Since suiciude is an intentional act, I would be very skeptical that the finding any act that would be classified as such. Animals banging their head into a wall might be a mad desire to escape, and their death is a result of that attempt.



Wouldn't that be suicide, though? Death can be classified as an escape, and they're intentionally banging their heads into walls.
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Here we are - funny too because I was looking for information about "Stoney" the elephant and there was this info - right about it. So, did she commit suicide or was she insane and can you commit suicide if you are insane or really, would you be considered "insane" if you committed suicide? Hmmm....



http://www.pawsweb.org/site/resource...a&ct=clnk&cd=2



August 10, 1995: An elephant, the only animal in the Kuwait Zoo to survive the Iraqi occupation, committed suicide by banging her head against the cage. Dalal smashed her head against the cage after being driven mad by lack of space and noisy construction at the zoo, reported Kuwait's Al Qabas daily newspaper. Dala was shot in the leg during the war in 1990-91 but recovered from the wound. During the occupation, the Iraqi troops were charged with starving and shooting the animals at the zoo.
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I think cockatoos or some exotic parrots get so frustrated in captivity that they start shedding all their feathers and wither away, I don't know if that counts as suicidal, I do think it counts self-destructive anyway.

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Wouldn't that be suicide, though? Death can be classified as an escape, and they're intentionally banging their heads into walls.



i thought ducati was implying banging their heads against the wall, to break free and get to the other side of the wall. i could be wrong tho.
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i thought ducati was implying banging their heads against the wall, to break free and get to the other side of the wall. i could be wrong tho.





Yes I was. Physical escape, not a mental escape. Since suicide is an intentional act and we have no way to know the mindset of an animal, then we can never know if any animal is capable of suicide. Some people believe that when a whale is old and in pain, they beach themselves to die quicker and stop the pain. However, there is no way to prove that the whale made this decision intentionally, or was disoriented or has had a loss of mental capacity.
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According to my "special" roommate "when bettas are ready to die they jump out of their bowls"
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According to my "special" roommate "when bettas are ready to die they jump out of their bowls"



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I guess not many of them are ready to die (surprise?).
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well if there isnt a lid they will often jump out, but thats not because they're ready to die its because bettas like to jump.
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I think cockatoos or some exotic parrots get so frustrated in captivity that they start shedding all their feathers and wither away, I don't know if that counts as suicidal, I do think it counts self-destructive anyway.





Birds in captivity who are bored, stressed, or are constantly in contact with smoking pull out their own feathers to relieve boredom or are psychologically unstable. They don't necessarily aim to kill themselves...they are just looking for enrichment ot are trying to find some way to comfort or entertain themselves. When it comes to birds who live with smokers, they pull their feathers because the smoke sticks to the feathers making them itch and become uncomfortable. So suicide is not what is happening in this case.
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