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#1 Old 03-18-2010, 08:25 AM
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An ex-vegan, hit with a pepper-laced pie while promoting her anti-vegetarian work at an anarchist book fair in San Francisco, says her assailants were cowards.



Lierre Keith, 45, stood at a lectern at Golden Gate Park's Hall of Flowers Saturday at the 15th annual Bay Area Anarchist Book Fair discussing her book, "The Vegetarian Myth," when three people in black hooded sweatshirts and masks ran from backstage, shouted, "Go vegan," and threw chili pepper-laced pies in her face, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Tuesday.



Keith, a 20-year vegan, was midway through her 30-minute talk railing, she said, against factory farming and factory-farmed meat when the attack was caught on video and later posted to Web sites.




Caught on video!



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Because that'll make me want to go vegan...



Also, I like how the audience just sat there like statues.
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She sounds like a tool, but throwing the pie was a dumb move.

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Love the music on the video, good old benny hill.
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What does one expect, when you go to what is a 'fringe' type book fair, and promote a book that just reinforces society's so-called ideals? The anti-vegetarian movement doesn't need help, and thus her book is probably pointless.



That being said though, I don't agree with their tactics. They would of done better if they had grilled her during the question and answer period or found some 'dirt' on her to deliver in front of a captive audience.
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What does one expect, when you go to what is a 'fringe' type book fair, and promote a book that just reinforces society's so-called ideals? The anti-vegetarian movement doesn't need help, and thus her book is probably pointless.



That being said though, I don't agree with their tactics. They would of done better if they had grilled her during the question and answer period or found some 'dirt' on her to deliver in front of a captive audience.



I'll bet her book publisher is delighted with the free press...
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I'll bet her book publisher is delighted with the free press...



Yeah, one commenter mentioned that it was a publicity stunt, which would actually make sense so she could show just how 'crazy' vegans are.
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Because that'll make me want to go vegan...



Also, I like how the audience just sat there like statues.



My thoughts exactly! And what did that guy throw at her from the audience? A banana? Haha..



This looks completely staged.

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Isn't this the same woman who said that vegans think we should build a giant fence down the middle of Africa to separate the carnivores from the herbivores?



Wow, the first link on her "Links" page is to Weston Price.



http://www.lierrekeith.com/Links.htm
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I haven't read her book (of course) and I applaud the idea that food for a community should come from that community - that's part of the anarchist-communist ideal. What she doesn't seem to have sussed is that if we were all veg*n, there wouldn't be more agriculture, as she claims, there would be less of it, as we wouldn't be feeding the animals.



Surely that's Vegetarianism 101 - and she was a vegan for 20 years? Go figure.



As an aside, my hubby was sentenced to a month in prison for throwing a pie at an anarchist demo in the 80's.
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I haven't read her book (of course) and I applaud the idea that food for a community should come from that community - that's part of the anarchist-communist ideal. What she doesn't seem to have sussed is that if we were all veg*n, there wouldn't be more agriculture, as she claims, there would be less of it, as we wouldn't be feeding the animals.



Surely that's Vegetarianism 101 - and she was a vegan for 20 years? Go figure.



As an aside, my hubby was sentenced to a month in prison for throwing a pie at an anarchist demo in the 80's.



Please tell your husband that if I ever meet him I will buy him a pint The world needs more pie throwers if you ask me.
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Have any of you actually read her book?
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You can read chapter 1 of the book on her site.



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But one post marked a turning point. A vegan flushed out his idea to keep animals from being killed—not by humans, but by other animals. Someone should build a fence down the middle of the Serengeti, and divide the predators from the prey. Killing is wrong and no animals should ever have to die, so the big cats and wild canines would go on one side, while the wildebeests and zebras would live on the other. He knew the carnivores would be okay because they didn’t need to be carnivores. That was a lie the meat industry told. He’d seen his dog eat grass: therefore, dogs could live on grass.



No one objected. In fact, others chimed in. My cat eats grass, too, one woman added, all enthusiasm. So does mine! someone else posted. Everyone agreed that fencing was the solution to animal death.



Note well that the site for this liberatory project was Africa. No one mentioned the North American prairie, where carnivores and ruminants alike have been extirpated for the annual grains that vegetarians embrace. But I’ll return to that in Chapter 3.



Yeah, she definitely sounds sane.
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In this interview she brags about having broken her share of windows, and advocates attacking and taking down the power grid (which would kill many):



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Yet she gets hit with a pie on top of her head, she has the police called and is wanting the pie throwers arrested, and is crying all over the net about it. She's a big talker for someone who can't handle a pie.

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A vegan flushed out his idea to keep animals from being killednot by humans, but by other animals. Someone should build a fence down the middle of the Serengeti, and divide the predators from the prey. Killing is wrong and no animals should ever have to die, so the big cats and wild canines would go on one side, while the wildebeests and zebras would live on the other. He knew the carnivores would be okay because they didnt need to be carnivores. That was a lie the meat industry told. Hed seen his dog eat grass: therefore, dogs could live on grass.



No one objected. In fact, others chimed in. My cat eats grass, too, one woman added, all enthusiasm. So does mine! someone else posted. Everyone agreed that fencing was the solution to animal death.



It's amazing that style of humor is so lost on her (especially given the site it appeared on). I think she's someone who must be very, very literal. That people who read that and take her perspective shows how desperate they are to believe there's a "vegetarian myth" and that vegans are crazy. A fence down the Serengeti dividing the carnivores and herbivores, with people joining in about how cats can survive on grass. I guess it would be crazy if it weren't meant to be funny.

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nice...i love how a person in the audience threw in a banana peel for good measure.
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Have any of you actually read her book?

Does that have some kind of relevance?

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Does that have some kind of relevance?



To her having written a book? Yes.
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Ah, the topic of this thread is Lierre Keith's new book and people's reviews on it? It seems I have again been browsing Amazon and VB at the same time and confused the open Amazon tab with a VB thread.

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Ah, the topic of this thread is Lierre Keith's new book and people's reviews on it? It seems I have again been browsing Amazon and VB at the same time and confused the open Amazon tab with a VB thread.



The topic is related the Lierre Keith... I was wondering if anyone had read her book.
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nice...i love how a person in the audience threw in a banana peel for good measure.

Yeah the banana peel throw in made me laugh, I dunno why but it just seemed funny.



I could care less that people threw a few pies on her, I just hope they were vegan.

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It's amazing that style of humor is so lost on her (especially given the site it appeared on). I think she's someone who must be very, very literal. That people who read that and take her perspective shows how desperate they are to believe there's a "vegetarian myth" and that vegans are crazy. A fence down the Serengeti dividing the carnivores and herbivores, with people joining in about how cats can survive on grass. I guess it would be crazy if it weren't meant to be funny.



how do you know the thread she was talking about was joking

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Love the music on the video, good old benny hill.









I have to admit, I laughed out loud watching it.

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how do you know the thread she was talking about was joking



It comes across very much that these people were either joking or she's taken it out of context.



Does anyone know why she stopped being vegan? Does she talk about it anywhere?
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It comes across very much that these people were either joking or she's taken it out of context.



Does anyone know why she stopped being vegan? Does she talk about it anywhere?



Yes, that's what her book is about: the reasons why she quit being a vegan and why veganism is 'wrong'.
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Sorry I know I shouldn't have but this really made me laugh especially the banana peel lol
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Absolutely pathetic behavior
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Veg*ns are often accused of being "evangelical", but there's another group of people who give a whole new meaning to 'evangelical': ex-veg*ns. I mean, ****, once you've been veg*n and given that up, there's no limit to how fervently you want everyone to know about it, and hear your message about how bad the diet/lifestyle is.



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Absolutely pathetic behavior

Yeah she should have done something more valuable with her time instead of wasting it on that book. Like lying on the floor and staring at the ceiling or something.

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So, I wrote about the book and Lierre Keith back in December of last year. You can view that post here:

https://www.veggieboards.com/boards/s...=1#post2551189



Anyways, to those asking what site she was discussing about the Serengeti fence, I post it there. Basically you can Google "Serengeti fence vegan" and one of the first few sites is on Post Punk kitchen and it references an earlier thread on their same site. I'll repost that link:



http://www.postpunkkitchen.com/forum...c.php?id=19376



I wouldn't say she's a literal person, I am one of the most literal people I know (and it does annoy some people), but I can easily see that that link is people joking around (by the way, according to that link, it was posted before Keith's book ever came out).



In terms of why she is no longer vegan, supposedly she has some kind of degenerative spinal condition which she blames on her vegan diet. I have a difficult time believing it as well as a difficult time believing she was ever vegan. It sounds like one of those "I was vegan, I know and understand your insanity" type positions and look at my badge of honor which I will blame on a vegan diet. She may very well have a degenerative spinal condition, however, if it has anything to do with her diet (not that it's even clear that it is), then it seems she didn't research her diet properly and so the fault lies with her choices, and has little to do with the diet. It's like a deficiency in Vitamin C and blaming omnivorism for it.



As for the whole pie throwing thing; From the video, I was surprised at the audience reaction too. No one really seemed to do much other than a banana peel being thrown, no movements of astonishment. It's not clear to me if it was staged as a publicity stunt, the audience was in on it, or they just didn't care.



I don't agree with the pie throwing, but I don't have much sympathy for this person. I think she's extremely dishonest and deceitful. I think she's just found a niche of people who are 'trying to live simply' or return to a 'primitivist' diet. From the people I have interacted with, there is a strong anti-veg attitude and this type of book, simply reinforces that notion.
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