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#1 Old 12-16-2009, 12:35 PM
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Sammy Haddock started working with elephants when he joined the circus at 20, in 1976, a young man's dream. He walked them, groomed them, cleaned up after them. More than once, he later confessed, he beat them.

Over time, his feelings about elephants grew more tender, especially toward the babies. In 1997 he was hired to work as a handler at Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey's Center for Elephant Conservation, an ambitious program in Florida to breed and preserve endangered Asian elephants. Part of Haddock's job was to help train elephant calves to be circus performers.



He was deeply affected when 8-month-old Riccardo collapsed with leg injuries after tumbling off a tub during pre-training in 2004. Riccardo had to be euthanized. Haddock also began to see things from the point of view of his wife, Millie, an animal lover.



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This was a sad story...especially the defensiveness of the guy from Ringling who continues to claim that they are basically doing the elephants a favor.
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#2 Old 12-16-2009, 12:39 PM
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Sick *******s.
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I agree, those pictures are sickening.



I just sent my omni coworker a link to this article, and this was her response via email:



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I knew there was a reason that I didn't like going to the circus. I haven't been to one since I was a kid...about 9 or 10. My kids have never been to one either. The get tickets to those small circuses at school every year, but I never take them. Now I have a good reason to state why I don't go or why I don't take the kids.



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"Small circuses at school"? Do they even have animals at those?



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This quote is a gem:



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Bottom line, says Jacobson: It's not in Ringling's interest to mistreat the elephants. "These things are worth a tremendous amount of money. They're irreplaceable."


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those pics are horrible...I always disliked circuses they are sooo awful and hurtful...makes me angry and wanna cry all at the same time.
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This quote is a gem:



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Bottom line, says Jacobson: It's not in Ringling's interest to mistreat the elephants. "These things are worth a tremendous amount of money. They're irreplaceable."



I agree, Zoe. How very telling.

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How utterly heartbreaking. On the bright side, I just have this feeling that before long, this will be a thing of the past as the word gets out more and more. Let's hope so anyway.
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The stuff they do to those poor babies is unbelievable. We were actually just talking about this the other day in one of my law classes--my professor is an animal lover and vegan herself. We were trying to figure out what legal avenues could be explored to help these little guys, but my class wasn't feeling very creative or helpful to the plight of the circus animals...I hate the fact that people can look at pictures and hear horror stories and then just shrug and go "oh well, nothing I can do about it"

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The stuff they do to those poor babies is unbelievable. We were actually just talking about this the other day in one of my law classes--my professor is an animal lover and vegan herself. We were trying to figure out what legal avenues could be explored to help these little guys, but my class wasn't feeling very creative or helpful to the plight of the circus animals...I hate the fact that people can look at pictures and hear horror stories and then just shrug and go "oh well, nothing I can do about it"



That is the true heartbreak of the whole thing...people are apathetic b/c they don't know there's anything they can do. The very least you can do is not go to the circus...if enough people simply made that easy decision, they would go out of business. As Jacobson made so painfully clear in the article, its all about the bottom line.
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"Small circuses at school"? Do they even have animals at those?



I think they do elephant rides, but I think what my friend meant was that from now on whenever someone mentioned circuses, she could spread the word about how cruelly the elephants are treated, to discourage more people from supporting them.
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I think they do elephant rides, but I think what my friend meant was that from now on whenever someone mentioned circuses, she could spread the word about how cruelly the elephants are treated, to discourage more people from supporting them.



My point was that not all circuses have animals. Boycotting all circuses doesn't encourage the industry to change - it just makes it seem like circuses are going out of style. Supporting human only circuses while boycotting those with animals sends a stronger message.



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I rode an elephant at a circus when I was a little kid, there were about 5 or 6 other kids on the saddle with me and we were all screaming and bouncing around.



I feel SO BAD now that I'm old enough to see what was really going on, if I had known I would have asked my mom to take me to the arcade instead.

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Wouldn't buying tickets to a circus keep it in business even if you don't go? They don't care if you see it as long as they make money, its going to be in business....



No wonder Elephants are always doing this:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnb9958eEgo





I don't support circuses or even marineland or any of that BS. Dolphins and orcas get distressed as well, they aren't meant to perform they are meant to be WILD and FREE. I even find zoos kind of evil as well....

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Those poor babies! I can't imagine how frightened they must be, having people pulling on them with ropes. I've never been to a circus, never will and neither will my daughter. I think they're just horrible.
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awww, I didn't want to see this so I avoided it for days. Just watched and want to cry. That poor baby. Makes me so mad!
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Wouldn't buying tickets to a circus keep it in business even if you don't go?



She doesn't buy the tickets.
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