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I notice a lot of vegetarians choose that dietary lifestyle because they are adverse to the killing of animals as a food source.
I also notice many of the recipes call for a simulated meat or fish dish using various products to simulate an animal product. If people are that adverse to the killing of animals for food i dont follow how one can be ok with eating a pretend piece of meat. |
Hi Jambo
I suspect that most veg*ns have other reasons for going veg*n rather than because they go off the taste/texture of meat, chicken, fish etc. I was an omni for well over 40 years before going veg*n and there was no change of taste on my part. I just didn't want to be a part of the cruelty and suffering that is inherant in omnivorism. To me, simulated meat/fish meant (and it still means) "no suffering or cruelty" and that's the crtical factor. (Of course we need to also consider health implications when "converting" but that is a seperate issue.) I can understand the psychological reasons why people may go off the taste/texture of meat once they've gone veg*n but I don't see having such an aversion as a necessity. To put it simply, I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with the taste/texture of animal. Talking of which, many years ago, I gave my late Mum a "chicken" slice and said to her "See, it tastes just like real chicken" to which she replied "It must be a long time since you ate real chicken Ian!" ![]() |
I notice a lot of vegetarians choose that dietary lifestyle because they are adverse to the killing of animals as a food source.
I also notice many of the recipes call for a simulated meat or fish dish using various products to simulate an animal product. If people are that adverse to the killing of animals for food i dont follow how one can be ok with eating a pretend piece of meat. |
I love meat alternatives, especially the vegan-friendly Linda McCartney products. I did love Quorn when I was just vegetarian, but obviously that contains milk and eggs, so I've had to give it up to become vegan. Saying that, they do sell a vegan burger in the USA, so I can only hope they introduce it here as well.
Oh, and I absolutely love Holland and Barrett's vegan sausage rolls and 'porkless pies' - very nice stuff! There's no cruelty involved, and it tastes great, so I'm glad it's there to widen my diet significantly. |
Has anyone tried frys? I have frys, linda mcartney vegan bits, and cheatin slices.
I emailed quorn asking them if they would consider going vegan because it seems odd they are not already, they are not keeping up with the pace... no reply yet... ![]() |
I have never tried Fry's, but I would very much like to. Unfortunately, their products are currently very difficult to get hold of in the UK; none of our major supermarkets sell any of their products. However, I will contact my local health food store to see if they're able to order some in.
And yes, I've emailed Quorn twice about the same thing, and no reply for me either. However, I do have hope that they will introduce vegan products to the UK based on the fact they have in the USA. |
Jambo, what are your thoughts on wearing imitation leather? I've been looking at vegan shoes lately and saw that the majority of products available are indeed imitation leather. How do you get around that? People would assume looking at your footwear that they are leather.. just curious. |
I guess i'm one of the few who are into veganism solely for health reasons and not the cruelty to animals attitude. I have to lose weight or this diabetes is going to kill me, As for people killing animals for food? humans have been killing and eating animals for a long time and they'll continue to do so for a long time,not much i can do about it..
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If people are that adverse to the killing of animals for food i dont follow how one can be ok with eating a pretend piece of meat.
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I guess i'm one of the few who are into veganism solely for health reasons and not the cruelty to animals aspect.
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As an Irish woman, I was brought up on bacon, cabbage and spuds. It always was my favourite meal and I never sickened of it. I gave up meat out of compassion for animals but that didn't mean that I automatically stopped wanting my favourite meal. I eat very little in the way of meat substitutes but I will have the odd veggie sausage with spuds and gravy so that I can still indulge in my favourite meals. I do find though that I am craving these old meals less and fancy other dishes instead such as spinach and chickpea curry. I imagine that over time, I'll probably never have substitute meats but that isn't because I see anything wrong with eating a pretend sausage or pretend chicken, it isn't real meat and no animal has suffered or been used in any way to make that product, it is completely cruelty free and that is what is important.
Jambo, what are your thoughts on wearing imitation leather? I've been looking at vegan shoes lately and saw that the majority of products available are indeed imitation leather. How do you get around that? People would assume looking at your footwear that they are leather.. just curious. |
I guess i'm one of the few who are into veganism solely for health reasons and not the cruelty to animals aspect. I have to lose weight or this diabetes is going to kill me, As for people killing animals for food? humans have been killing and eating animals for a long time and they'll continue to do so for a long time,not much i can do about it..
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Hi jambo
Veganism is more than a diet, for instance vegans don't wear leather, silk, wool etc. So what are the health reasons for you not wearing these items? I'm not trying to be provocative by the way. I'm just trying to see the difference between you and a (vegetarian) total plant-food eater. Lv. |
As said i'm into this lifestyle to lose weight and not to obsess about the wearing of leather or the fact that animals are killed for human consumption.i dont care. I just thought it odd that people would obsess about the eating of animals yet find many ways to pretend to eat animals.
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Then why concern yourself with the ethics of others?
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As said i'm into this lifestyle to lose weight and not to obsess about the wearing of leather or the fact that animals are killed for human consumption.i dont care.
I just thought it odd that people would obsess about the eating of animals yet find many ways to pretend to eat animals. |
i'm in the uk
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() It's nice isn't it when big companies reply to you... I say boooo quorn! On another note Ive just noticed pure has palm oil in it l... I feel an email coming on.. |
I have noticed that Ocado sell it, which is great.
![]() ![]() I think I can get Fry's ordered to my local health food shop however, which is very convenient. ![]() |
As said i'm into this lifestyle to lose weight and not to obsess about the wearing of leather or the fact that animals are killed for human consumption.i dont care.
I just thought it odd that people would obsess about the eating of animals yet find many ways to pretend to eat animals. |
The 'vegan lifestyle' is very much about concerning yourself about the wearing of leather and the consumption of animals. Veganism is more than a diet, it's a movement that concerns itself with the rights of animals. It's no different, in a lot of ways, to someone saying "I'm a supporter of Civil Rights/LGBTQAI rights/feminism". While the diet is something a lot of people focus on and certainly anyone can adopt, veganism itself is far more wide reaching than only the diet.
Maybe a better term for what you're doing, is 'plant-based'. That doesn't denote any particular ethical leanings in regards to your diet (though I'm with Dr Melanie Joy when she says we all bring our politics to the dinner table). I don't pretend to eat animals, when I eat faux meats. I know it's not an animal. But when I went veg, I didn't change my preferences for the tastes and textures I enjoy, I just changed my actions to align with how I felt the world should be. Most of the tastes and textures I enjoyed when I ate meat were created through cooking techniques and mixtures of herbs (or other plant-based flavouring). I've just swapped out the piece of flesh for a piece of veggie protein. So, it's not the product that's the problem to me, it's the process that gets it there. I don't want those processes or dominant ideologies to exist. Me eating a veggie version of a fish doesn't contribute to over fishing, it doesn't mean a fish dies so I can eat it, it doesn't reinforce the idea that one animal is better to eat or more worthy of death because I like how he or she tastes, it just means I eat something that's salty. Does that make sense? |
Thats brilliant
![]() Damm it lets do it.. we need them to know we want this vegan food! ![]() Besides vegan food a vegetarian can eat also.. so really it is best for both non meat eaters ![]() P.s so lucky your mum is vegetarian... she might even go vegan with you one day ![]() ![]() |
As said i'm into this lifestyle to lose weight and not to obsess about the wearing of leather or the fact that animals are killed for human consumption.i dont care.
I just thought it odd that people would obsess about the eating of animals yet find many ways to pretend to eat animals. |
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