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Okay so pretty much a lot of Hostess items contain a lot of beef fat. What is the point of BEEF FAT in an unhealthy snack? It's like when chicken fat is added to Lay's BBQ chips. What's the point? Just a rant.
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so people like this will keep buying them
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Cuz only fat people eat Hostess?
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I'm telling you the food industry is CRAZY!
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What am I supposed to say to that? "Yes, I only think fat people eat unhealthy food." No. It was a silly question, so I was giving a silly answer.
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I was being legit and ranting at the same time. I don't find it to be silly.
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I don't think is a silly question, it is definitely a stupid thing to cook muffins in beef fat, that's for sure!
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I didn't think you wanted a real explanation. It's probably because it's cheap and makes the food taste good.
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I'm wondering if they added the beef fat or like you said, it was cooked in it. It's okay, creep. Probably. It's just like when they add gelatin to almost everything.
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Originally Posted by Killer_queen 
I'm wondering if they added the beef fat or like you said, it was cooked in it.
I'm wondering if they added the beef fat or like you said, it was cooked in it.
Add it? Why? That's even pointless xD Is that even possible, being beyond pointless? Oh God, I've never had one of those btw... Never seen them here in Panama...
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I think, like Creep said. It's because it's cheap so they don't want to use expensive ingredients. So they'll just down grade and use things from the animals the food industry hurts.
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Still! Init veggie oil cheaper?
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Maybe.
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Originally Posted by RabbitLuvr
Something I've come to understand about the food industry......
There's certainly the aspect of using cheap ingredients. There is also the aspect of producers trying to squeeze every penny they can out of their products. So a lot of things that used to be "waste" have now been turned into weird additives that they can sell for putting into processed foods. I think you can see this as either using every part of the animal, and being less wasteful, but I see it as ridiculous. Like others have said, there is no reason beef fat should be put into muffins. However, somewhere along the line, the beef fat has become a "necessary" ingredient, and I bet Hostess would throw a fit and claim they just couldn't make their products without it. (I wouldn't put it past companies like that to make a veg-friendly version purposely taste bad, just so they could claim it couldn't be done.)
I mean, the additive industry just sucks. How ever did people make bread before the technology came along to isolate L-cysteine from hair and feathers? (For one example. So many things now have added junk that just doesn't need to be there.)
Something I've come to understand about the food industry......
There's certainly the aspect of using cheap ingredients. There is also the aspect of producers trying to squeeze every penny they can out of their products. So a lot of things that used to be "waste" have now been turned into weird additives that they can sell for putting into processed foods. I think you can see this as either using every part of the animal, and being less wasteful, but I see it as ridiculous. Like others have said, there is no reason beef fat should be put into muffins. However, somewhere along the line, the beef fat has become a "necessary" ingredient, and I bet Hostess would throw a fit and claim they just couldn't make their products without it. (I wouldn't put it past companies like that to make a veg-friendly version purposely taste bad, just so they could claim it couldn't be done.)
I mean, the additive industry just sucks. How ever did people make bread before the technology came along to isolate L-cysteine from hair and feathers? (For one example. So many things now have added junk that just doesn't need to be there.)
I did know about L-cysteine. That makes no sense either.
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did someone say there's chicken fat in lays bbq chips? is that true? 
it's not listed in the ingredients at least not in Canada (which is why i avoid anything that says "natural flavors" cause you never know what that could mean but i figured bbq chips were safe. bleh)
and the L-cysteine thing is just nasty. anyone know of a brand that doesn't use it though? it seems to be in all packaged breads and buns, i just can't seem to get away from that one or lactylate whatever that is. i hate that they can get away with not listing ingredient sources like that, the average person doesn't know what half the ingredients are in the foods they buy regularly. it disgusts me that so many people out there have no idea what they're eating because the manufacturers find so many loopholes with how they list things
it's not listed in the ingredients at least not in Canada (which is why i avoid anything that says "natural flavors" cause you never know what that could mean but i figured bbq chips were safe. bleh)and the L-cysteine thing is just nasty. anyone know of a brand that doesn't use it though? it seems to be in all packaged breads and buns, i just can't seem to get away from that one or lactylate whatever that is. i hate that they can get away with not listing ingredient sources like that, the average person doesn't know what half the ingredients are in the foods they buy regularly. it disgusts me that so many people out there have no idea what they're eating because the manufacturers find so many loopholes with how they list things
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Originally Posted by LadyFaile
did someone say there's chicken fat in lays bbq chips? is that true? it's not listed in the ingredients at least not in Canada (which is why i avoid anything that says "natural flavors" cause you never know what that could mean but i figured bbq chips were safe. bleh)
and the L-cysteine thing is just nasty. anyone know of a brand that doesn't use it though? it seems to be in all packaged breads and buns, i just can't seem to get away from that one or lactylate whatever that is. i hate that they can get away with not listing ingredient sources like that, the average person doesn't know what half the ingredients are in the foods they buy regularly. it disgusts me that so many people out there have no idea what they're eating because the manufacturers find so many loopholes with how they list things
did someone say there's chicken fat in lays bbq chips? is that true?
it's not listed in the ingredients at least not in Canada (which is why i avoid anything that says "natural flavors" cause you never know what that could mean but i figured bbq chips were safe. bleh)and the L-cysteine thing is just nasty. anyone know of a brand that doesn't use it though? it seems to be in all packaged breads and buns, i just can't seem to get away from that one or lactylate whatever that is. i hate that they can get away with not listing ingredient sources like that, the average person doesn't know what half the ingredients are in the foods they buy regularly. it disgusts me that so many people out there have no idea what they're eating because the manufacturers find so many loopholes with how they list things
There's plenty of brands without it. It IS gross. I've heard it's from duck feathers and human hair is what I heard also. As for your question, yes. http://www.fritolay.com/our-snacks/b...-barbecue.html Click nutritional label and it will say chicken on it.
The average person doesn't read ingredients most of the time is what I've noticed also. I think it's because they like the taste and really don't care about what's in it really.
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yeah i've noticed that also, that a lot of people just can't be bothered with reading ingredients or nutrition info
and phew Baked Lays.. i knew those weren't vegan and i didn't really like them before i went veg anyways. you had me worried for a second there lol
and phew Baked Lays.. i knew those weren't vegan and i didn't really like them before i went veg anyways. you had me worried for a second there lol
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Sorry lol.
8/3/2010 is the last time I consumed meat.
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Originally Posted by LadyFaile
did someone say there's chicken fat in lays bbq chips? is that true? it's not listed in the ingredients at least not in Canada (which is why i avoid anything that says "natural flavors" cause you never know what that could mean but i figured bbq chips were safe. bleh)
and the L-cysteine thing is just nasty. anyone know of a brand that doesn't use it though? it seems to be in all packaged breads and buns, i just can't seem to get away from that one or lactylate whatever that is. i hate that they can get away with not listing ingredient sources like that, the average person doesn't know what half the ingredients are in the foods they buy regularly. it disgusts me that so many people out there have no idea what they're eating because the manufacturers find so many loopholes with how they list things
did someone say there's chicken fat in lays bbq chips? is that true?
it's not listed in the ingredients at least not in Canada (which is why i avoid anything that says "natural flavors" cause you never know what that could mean but i figured bbq chips were safe. bleh)and the L-cysteine thing is just nasty. anyone know of a brand that doesn't use it though? it seems to be in all packaged breads and buns, i just can't seem to get away from that one or lactylate whatever that is. i hate that they can get away with not listing ingredient sources like that, the average person doesn't know what half the ingredients are in the foods they buy regularly. it disgusts me that so many people out there have no idea what they're eating because the manufacturers find so many loopholes with how they list things
I've found vegan breads in normal grocery stores. It was just a pain in the ass having to read through 5 loafs before I came across one with no animal products. If there's a Whole Foods near you, they have lots of vegan breads in the freezer section.
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I've found vegan breads in normal grocery stores. It was just a pain in the ass having to read through 5 loafs before I came across one with no animal products. If there's a Whole Foods near you, they have lots of vegan breads in the freezer section.
I've found vegan breads in normal grocery stores. It was just a pain in the ass having to read through 5 loafs before I came across one with no animal products. If there's a Whole Foods near you, they have lots of vegan breads in the freezer section.
I feel you on this one. It's true.
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I've heard it's from duck feathers and human hair is what I heard also.
I've heard it's from duck feathers and human hair is what I heard also.
Come again? Does anyone know more about that? Cuz if it's true, that is beyond gross and maybe ilegal... ew!
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I'm not kidding. It does. Not sure about humans. Thats what I heard.
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Originally Posted by RabbitLuvr
It is true, and not illegal.
This was originally isolated from human hair, and is now generally obtained from feathers. There *are* artificial and/or microbial sources of it, though. So if the package says vegan, but it has L-cysteine in the ingredients, it's probably artificial (assuming it's a reputable brand).
In the US, L-cysteine has to be listed on the label if it has some sort of effect on the finished product (if it's used as a conditioner, for example) but it does not have to be listed if it's used as a flavoring. Then they can just lump it into "natural flavors." It is not required to list the source of the L-cysteine.
Gross.
It is true, and not illegal.
This was originally isolated from human hair, and is now generally obtained from feathers. There *are* artificial and/or microbial sources of it, though. So if the package says vegan, but it has L-cysteine in the ingredients, it's probably artificial (assuming it's a reputable brand).
In the US, L-cysteine has to be listed on the label if it has some sort of effect on the finished product (if it's used as a conditioner, for example) but it does not have to be listed if it's used as a flavoring. Then they can just lump it into "natural flavors." It is not required to list the source of the L-cysteine.
Gross.
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I've found vegan breads in normal grocery stores. It was just a pain in the ass having to read through 5 loafs before I came across one with no animal products. If there's a Whole Foods near you, they have lots of vegan breads in the freezer section.
I've found vegan breads in normal grocery stores. It was just a pain in the ass having to read through 5 loafs before I came across one with no animal products. If there's a Whole Foods near you, they have lots of vegan breads in the freezer section.
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I feel you on this one. It's true.
I feel you on this one. It's true.
All of the Ezekiel breads I have seen are vegan. I either buy Ezekiel bread, or one that's made locally and delivered to the Whole Foods near me.
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I wish someone would come out with an easy to find, ready made vegan cake! I don't use my oven in the summer. Plus if I make it, I eat it. I don't have anyone to share it with.
It gets to me, I see coworkers practically eating every work meal from fast food. I'm vegan and I'm over weight. Not that I live off carrot sticks. But I don't live off junk either.
It gets to me, I see coworkers practically eating every work meal from fast food. I'm vegan and I'm over weight. Not that I live off carrot sticks. But I don't live off junk either.
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I wish someone would come out with an easy to find, ready made vegan cake! I don't use my oven in the summer. Plus if I make it, I eat it. I don't have anyone to share it with.
I wish someone would come out with an easy to find, ready made vegan cake! I don't use my oven in the summer. Plus if I make it, I eat it. I don't have anyone to share it with.
The only already made ones I can think of are Amy's. They don't have frosting or anything though. Other than that there's vegan bakeries and bakers that sell them and will sometimes ship them out.
I had a friend in 6th grade whose father worked for hostess. The family pretty much lived off of all hostess products. One time we were at a sleep over and had a huge breakfast buffet that included tons of fresh fruit. She had no clue how to eat any of it. She tried eating a banana with the peel still on it so we had to instruct her on which fruits to peel and which ones were okay not to. Crazy!
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wow that's really sad.
it kills me to see parents cave and give their kids junk food when they refuse to eat what they're offered but that's even worse, those parents didn't even give the kid a chance to choose healthy foods over junk.
re: vegan bread.. i don't have a whole foods here, or any healthy food stores. we have one but it's a glorified vitamin store. they downsized and hardly stock any food at all now.
there's a small health food section at my grocery store but they are really overpriced on some of that stuff. i can get soymilk pretty cheaply and they have a small selection of moderately priced meat alternatives like gardein chicken cutlets and strips, yves veggie burgers etc but that's about it. the freezer section stocks mostly gluten free or organic stuff that isn't veg, a few amy's products which are overpriced and overrated IMO and not much else. anytime i have seen ezekiel's breads they've been rediculously expensive. i'm on a super tight budget i can't spend that much on bread
it kills me to see parents cave and give their kids junk food when they refuse to eat what they're offered but that's even worse, those parents didn't even give the kid a chance to choose healthy foods over junk.
re: vegan bread.. i don't have a whole foods here, or any healthy food stores. we have one but it's a glorified vitamin store. they downsized and hardly stock any food at all now.
there's a small health food section at my grocery store but they are really overpriced on some of that stuff. i can get soymilk pretty cheaply and they have a small selection of moderately priced meat alternatives like gardein chicken cutlets and strips, yves veggie burgers etc but that's about it. the freezer section stocks mostly gluten free or organic stuff that isn't veg, a few amy's products which are overpriced and overrated IMO and not much else. anytime i have seen ezekiel's breads they've been rediculously expensive. i'm on a super tight budget i can't spend that much on bread
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The bread machine is one of the greatest inventions ever! It only takes 5 minutes to make many recipes and it doesn't heat up my house in the summer. I even use it to make cakes. Throw everything in, take a nap, wake up to fresh bread (or cake). Pretty cool.
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wow that's really sad.
it kills me to see parents cave and give their kids junk food when they refuse to eat what they're offered but that's even worse, those parents didn't even give the kid a chance to choose healthy foods over junk.
re: vegan bread.. i don't have a whole foods here, or any healthy food stores. we have one but it's a glorified vitamin store. they downsized and hardly stock any food at all now.
there's a small health food section at my grocery store but they are really overpriced on some of that stuff. i can get soymilk pretty cheaply and they have a small selection of moderately priced meat alternatives like gardein chicken cutlets and strips, yves veggie burgers etc but that's about it. the freezer section stocks mostly gluten free or organic stuff that isn't veg, a few amy's products which are overpriced and overrated IMO and not much else. anytime i have seen ezekiel's breads they've been rediculously expensive. i'm on a super tight budget i can't spend that much on bread
wow that's really sad.
it kills me to see parents cave and give their kids junk food when they refuse to eat what they're offered but that's even worse, those parents didn't even give the kid a chance to choose healthy foods over junk.
re: vegan bread.. i don't have a whole foods here, or any healthy food stores. we have one but it's a glorified vitamin store. they downsized and hardly stock any food at all now.
there's a small health food section at my grocery store but they are really overpriced on some of that stuff. i can get soymilk pretty cheaply and they have a small selection of moderately priced meat alternatives like gardein chicken cutlets and strips, yves veggie burgers etc but that's about it. the freezer section stocks mostly gluten free or organic stuff that isn't veg, a few amy's products which are overpriced and overrated IMO and not much else. anytime i have seen ezekiel's breads they've been rediculously expensive. i'm on a super tight budget i can't spend that much on bread
Do you have an Aldi near you? They carry vegan bread. Have you checked all of your local grocery stores's store brand breads?
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